100 ARC Troopers vs. ROTS Sidious

'Lol. Gonna call it an unfair move now? Yoda knew what he was getting into. He was armed with the knowledge that Palpatine was a Sith Lord (and apparently a very dangerous one) and went in like he owned the place. And, guess what? He got knocked out because of it.'

And? Yoda would have been better prepared if he had his saber ready. You can't argue against that so don't try, unless you want to argue that he was more adept at blocking lightning with his hands than he is with his saber.

Wow. Actually coming to think about that, that wouldn't be such a crazy theory. Yoda is extremely strong in the force, stronger in that regard than he is with handling a saber...

'I could also state that Yoda caught Sidious "off guard" with that Force push.'

He did. However I'm pretty sure you're missing my point. For this point alone, I was stating that Yoda wasn't prepared not in the sense that he wasn't ready, but just wasn't best equipped to deal with it.

'Oh, so Yoda wanted to get knocked out? Look again. He tried to block the lightning when it was hurled. He just didn't make it. It was like an Old West gunfight. Sidious was just quicker on the draw.'

1. Look at my post. He either never attempted to block it or he was caught off guard. I was just trying to be objective and look at all the possibilities, that's why I brought the point up.

2. Well it seems he did attempt to block it, I'll concede that point but that doesn't speak for his inability to do so, as:

(i) He only attempted at the last second (when the lightning had just left Palp's fingertips) whereas palpatine had been raising his hands for seconds, seconds where Yoda could have easily better prepared for defending against the attack.

(ii) He is able to block Palp's lightning later when Palp's is closer and when he is much quicker to pull his attack off.

'Tell ya what. You provide half of what I have in this for the "Lumiya > DE Sidious and Vader" theory, and we'll talk. In the meantime, lol, don't run your virtual mouth by telling me that I have unsupported assumptions.'

You know I don't believe that. You know I wasn't being serious. If you do, you're clearly extremely unperceptive and plain stupid.

The funny thing is, I did a hell of a job in debating that point for such a ludicrous idea.

(a) She holds Adas' holocron which would be of great benefit and presumably increase her power; it was considered the greatest sith artifact in terms of teachings, it contained sith secrets that Bane didn't know about and it enabled (partly, by a considerable amount) Freedon Nadd to singlehandedly conquer a planet.

(b) The NR era writers tend to overpower their characters, why not one of the last remaining sith? - more of an out of story explanation, but still holds some water. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they made her a match for someone like Kyle Katarn and maybe even Kyp.

(c) Her force phantoms were incredible. I won't go into them as you are fully aware of how great they were. She also uses the lightwhip, a very unorthodox weapon as is great with it.

(d) Star Wars has been known to be logically and scientifically inconsistent, so facts such as 'she wasn't anything special in earlier books' and the fact that she is a cyborg wouldn't likely stop any of the SW writers in overpowering her.

Also consider that the only source material I have read concerning Lumiya is Evil Never Dies so feel free to make stuff up.

'Half of what you spout has idiocy labeled all over it.'

You pride yourself in your debating ability. I don't. At least I'm pretty much the best debater here in terms of my forum status, you're not even top tier. Plus, I can improve with time, you've probs already reached your best.

And? Yoda would have been better prepared if he had his saber ready. You can't argue against that so don't try, unless you want to argue that he was more adept at blocking lightning with his hands than he is with his saber.

The point is, he didn't. He chose not to have his saber activated, because he came in (like Palpatine) a bit too arrogant. The blast in the face woke him up to reality: "Hey. This isn't gonna be an easy fight." Same thing happened to Palpatine when he kept mouthing off to Yoda and got a massive Force push for his efforts.

Both of them got cocky, and both of them paid for it.

Wow. Actually coming to think about that, that wouldn't be such a crazy theory. Yoda is extremely strong in the force, stronger in that regard than he is with handling a saber...

Precisely. Yoda is the only Jedi, also, who has proven to be skilled enough to manhandle Force lightning. Furthermore, Palpatine blasted the lightsaber right out of Yoda's hand - during the pod scene. His arms won't be as easily removed.

He did. However I'm pretty sure you're missing my point. For this point alone, I was stating that Yoda wasn't prepared not in the sense that he wasn't ready, but just wasn't best equipped to deal with it.

Again, that's because he got cocky.

1. Look at my post. He either never attempted to block it or he was caught off guard. I was just trying to be objective and look at all the possibilities, that's why I brought the point up.

The point is, he did try to block it.

2. Well it seems he did attempt to block it, I'll concede that point but that doesn't speak for his inability to do so, as:

(i) He only attempted at the last second (when the lightning had just left Palp's fingertips) whereas palpatine had been raising his hands for seconds, seconds where Yoda could have easily better prepared for defending against the attack.

Again: Yoda got cocky.

(ii) He is able to block Palp's lightning later when Palp's is closer and when he is much quicker to pull his attack off.

No, he just realized that he got fried when he played it cool, and went into uber serious mode. He can handle Palpatine's lightning with both hands, yeah, but as we've seen - not with a lightsaber - and not without extreme difficulty.

You know I don't believe that. You know I wasn't being serious. If you do, you're clearly extremely unperceptive and plain stupid.

Hate to be rude here, but given your track record of idiocy, it's hard to tell when you're jesting or being serious. Because, either way, most of the stuff that you argue for is plain ridiculous.

The funny thing is, I did a hell of a job in debating that point for such a ludicrous idea.

You rarely do a hell of a job in anything related to debating.

(a) She holds Adas' holocron which would be of great benefit and presumably increase her power; it was considered the greatest sith artifact in terms of teachings, it contained sith secrets that Bane didn't know about and it enabled (partly, by a considerable amount) Freedon Nadd to singlehandedly conquer a planet.

Unsupported.

(b) The NR era writers tend to overpower their characters, why not one of the last remaining sith? - more of an out of story explanation, but still holds some water. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they made her a match for someone like Kyle Katarn and maybe even Kyp.

I'm sorry, did you not read Betrayal? There are only two things she's good at: lightsaber fighting and generating Force phantoms. She lost the Force push match against Nelani, and only survived because she's pretty decent with her lightwhip.

(c) Her force phantoms were incredible. I won't go into them as you are fully aware of how great they were. She also uses the lightwhip, a very unorthodox weapon as is great with it.

Go her. You do remember that she was trained by Vader, as well, who was trained by Palpatine? She was also personally trained by Palpatine - as she used to be one of the Emperor's Hands.

(d) Star Wars has been known to be logically and scientifically inconsistent, so facts such as 'she wasn't anything special in earlier books' and the fact that she is a cyborg wouldn't likely stop any of the SW writers in overpowering her.

I don't disagree. But, if you wanna get technical, the 'Dark Man' (Jacen) reminds Luke of Darth Vader - who should be considered a weakling in comparison to most of the NJO people. But, even now, apparently, he still represents great power and strength in the Force.

You pride yourself in your debating ability. I don't. At least I'm pretty much the best debater here in terms of my forum status, you're not even top tier. Plus, I can improve with time, you've probs already reached your best.

Lmao. Okay. Sure. 😛

Originally posted by Adas

You pride yourself in your debating ability. I don't. At least I'm pretty much the best debater here in terms of my forum status, you're not even top tier. Plus, I can improve with time, you've probs already reached your best.

1. Your contradicting yourself.

2. You're no were NEAR even ONE of the best debators here. Those spots belong to E81, Advent, and Sexy.

3. E81 is possibly THEE best debator here, at the moment.

4. You're not to going to improve any if you continue to debate with the reasoning ad logic that you're currently using.

Originally posted by Coleman Trebor
1. Your contradicting yourself.

2. You're no were NEAR even ONE of the best debators here. Those spots belong to E81, Advent, and Sexy.

3. E81 is possibly THEE best debator here, at the moment.

4. You're not to going to improve any if you continue to debate with the reasoning ad logic that you're currently using.

1. Please explain how?

2. In my forums status, yes. You're dumb if you consider those three the best. The best are Ush, Nai and Traya.

3. Nope, Ush, Traya and Nai are all better.

I have mad debating skillz. The fact I type it with a "z" is proof of that. But, I don't even know what an ARC Trooper is so I'm incapable of proving my amazing debating talents at this current time. Please hang up and try again.

Darth Sexy isnt one of the best debators here. Advent is BY FAR the best here at the moment, By far. The most effort award goes to Advent for the insane debating and uber long posts. 👆

'The point is, he didn't. He chose not to have his saber activated, because he came in (like Palpatine) a bit too arrogant. The blast in the face woke him up to reality: "Hey. This isn't gonna be an easy fight." Same thing happened to Palpatine when he kept mouthing off to Yoda and got a massive Force push for his efforts.'

'Both of them got cocky, and both of them paid for it'

'Again, that's because he got cocky.'

But wasn't the point of your original post that Sidious is equal to Yoda? I was just showing that none of this suggests that.

'Precisely. Yoda is the only Jedi, also, who has proven to be skilled enough to manhandle Force lightning. Furthermore, Palpatine blasted the lightsaber right out of Yoda's hand - during the pod scene. His arms won't be as easily removed.'

lol 'precisely'? The point would have never entered your head if I hadn't mentioned it. Don't act as if that wasn't the first time the theory occurred to you.

'The point is, he did try to block it.'

The point is, you committed a strawman.

'Hate to be rude here, but given your track record of idiocy, it's hard to tell when you're jesting or being serious. Because, either way, most of the stuff that you argue for is plain ridiculous.'

Hard for you maybe because you suck at reading people. And there's a difference between idiocy and immaturity, you're clearly not smart enough to know that.

'You rarely do a hell of a job in anything related to debating.'

Just like you when you're up against Nai. 😆
Unlucky about that.

'Unsupported.'

Nope, none of it is. You're just uninformed.

'I'm sorry, did you not read Betrayal? There are only two things she's good at: lightsaber fighting and generating Force phantoms. She lost the Force push match against Nelani, and only survived because she's pretty decent with her lightwhip.'

No, I didn't. And the fact that Lumiya's force phantoms were so impressive shows that she must be extremely powerful with the force. And yes, she is a good duelist, incredible actually.

'Go her. You do remember that she was trained by Vader, as well, who was trained by Palpatine? She was also personally trained by Palpatine - as she used to be one of the Emperor's Hands.'

And? Yay for feat wars!

'I don't disagree. But, if you wanna get technical, the 'Dark Man' (Jacen) reminds Luke of Darth Vader - who should be considered a weakling in comparison to most of the NJO people. But, even now, apparently, he still represents great power and strength in the Force.'

That was because of what he represented.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
Darth Sexy isnt one of the best debators here. Advent is BY FAR the best here at the moment, By far. The most effort award goes to Advent for the insane debating and uber long posts. 👆

No. Advent is good, but she only seems so good to most people because she know how to annihilate weaker debaters in arguments. Yet I've never seen her do well against someone like Nai and Ush pwned her in a thread a while back. Kind of like Grievous. He slaughters weaker jedi like Ki-Adi but can't handle people like Obi-Wan or Mace Windu. Nai, Ush and Traya are all far better and Escape and Generic Hero are slightly better too.

I say the best debators here are Ush, Adas and Borbarad. Darth Sexy is good, too. Seriosuly, Adas is a good debator, look at when he went up against jollyjim in the Mace vs. Revan debate.

You people honestly must be delusional.

Originally posted by darthsith19
I say the best debators here are Ush, Adas and Borbarad. Darth Sexy is good, too. Seriosuly, Adas is a good debator, look at when he went up against jollyjim in the Mace vs. Revan debate.

lol thanks for the recognition but I'm definitely not up there. You for one are better than me imo.

Originally posted by Advent
You people honestly must be delusional.

*Nods head*

And, that nigga video was gold. It wasn't even that uber funny, yet I keep playing it over and over.

Originally posted by Adas
lol thanks for the recognition but I'm definitely not up there. You for one are better than me imo.

I don't really rate myself too highly. Ush is imo by far the best, followed by Nai. Then Trya, Generic Hero and then Escape imo.

Ush
Bobarad
Sexy
Advent (bulldozer she is)
Escape
Adas
darthsith19

These people are pretty good debaters here.

I actually don't think people like Kamikz and The Anomaly get much recognition.

Meh, I'm never really into large debates, I bring up a point or two, I'm to lazy...

Originally posted by Adas
I actually don't think people like Kamikz and The Anomaly get much recognition.

Well thanks lol, but I'm really not on the higher level of debaters here. I could debate like Advent and Nai and all them, but I'm just too lazy to take like 20 Minutes to find all the scans and shit I'd need then type out a 3 page response then redo it like 15 times so that everyone else finally realises what I'm talking about. I love Star Wars and all, but I don't like it enough to put that much constant effort into debating things, that while fun, are not really important in any way. But I've done a few pretty long good posts before in my day, they're just few and far between.

Now, rather then pwning Advent style, I mostly just chuckle and shake my head at the retarded threads and ridiculous fanboys that make they're way in here. I don't bother to argue all that much because no matter how much you pwn an uber fanboy, they never hear or acknowledge what you say anyways, its not worth my time. MAYBE if more people debated like Advent and Nai and 81 then I would take the time to do it, but noob fanboys arnt worth my time.

Originally posted by Adas
I actually don't think people like Kamikz and The Anomaly get much recognition.

"Kamikz" 😛