Originally posted by Sado22
oh no...and now TP is gonna become wonder woman. its Fanboy Justice League i tell ya!!!
😂look TP it wasn't a nuclear explosion. look at the pictures i posted from KoF98. its the SAME BLAST. the same thing that happened in KoF94 happens in KoF98. its not nuclear.
~Sado-sama
98'= NOT CANON. 2nd, the Black Noah is a big ass modern aircraft carrier. That kind of thing has to have a nuclear reactor as a power source.
Listen to me very carefully Sado & Cloud (Or Xenogears as you go by now), If Paul can go toe to toe with a Mishima, And win every once in a while, why can't Rugal?
Here are the facts, 2 guys survived explosions,one was thrown away for a few miles and was planted for 3 weeks in the ground. The other lost his hand, but is otherwise perfectly healthy, and wasn't thrown from the explosion.
Anyways, its not really the size of the explosion that matters, nobody knows how big Honmaru was nornowmuch of it was caught in the blast of that self detonating Jack, but I can tell you that a core breach of an aircraft carriers nuke reactor is going to be several times that of an explosion taking out some old temple.
Sado, takea deep breath, look at the facts and quit the overhype.... Seriously dude,every time I see you, your doing this sort of stuff, mostly against Street Fighter but hey...
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroFunny how you criticize Sado for using A>B>C logic, when you're trying to do the same thing now.
Listen to me very carefully Sado & Cloud (Or Xenogears as you go by now), If Paul can go toe to toe with a Mishima, And win every once in a while, why can't Rugal?Here are the facts, 2 guys survived explosions,one was thrown away for a few miles and was planted for 3 weeks in the ground. The other lost his hand, but is otherwise perfectly healthy, and wasn't thrown from the explosion.
Anyways, its not really the size of the explosion that matters, nobody knows how big Honmaru was nornowmuch of it was caught in the blast of that self detonating Jack, but I can tell you that a core breach of an aircraft carriers nuke reactor is going to be several times that of an explosion taking out some old temple.
Sado, takea deep breath, look at the facts and quit the overhype.... Seriously dude,every time I see you, your doing this sort of stuff, mostly against Street Fighter but hey...
I doubt the Black Noah explosion was anywhere near as big as the explosion of Honmaru. Considering Heihachi's more durable than Rugal, the explosion of Honmaru was much more powerful than the one in the Black Noah. Rugal had his arm vaporized completely and Heihachi was barely scratched. The Honmaru explosion blasted a person more durable than Rugal miles away and the Black Noah explosion supposedly couldn't blast away a wuss like Rugal. Obviously taking the Honmaru explosion without a scratch is a much greater feat than surviving the Black Noah with a lost arm.
Anyone who's seen the T5 intro can see exactly how big the explosion was. From the helicopters' view it was massive and from Raven's perspective it was huge. For your information, all of the Jacks in the place detonated as a result of one of them doing so, so we're talking about 20 Jacks or so detonating in the same area. That's more intense than an aircraft carrier blowing up, added with the fact the BN explosion obliterated part of Rugal and the HM explosion barely scratched Heihachi.
Originally posted by Xenogears
Funny how you criticize Sado for using A>B>C logic, when you're trying to do the same thing now.
Whats morefunny is that youjust jump straight intoanargument with both feet before reading the entire argument. Where's the A>B>C logic on my part Cloud? I never said that normal Rugal is more durable than Heihachi, what I said was "Rugal didn't use the entirety of his power to survive that blast", directly refuting Sado's claim that Rugal went all out just to survive.
Originally posted by Xenogears
I doubt the Black Noah explosion was anywhere near as big as the explosion of Honmaru. Considering Heihachi's more durable than Rugal, the explosion of Honmaru was much more powerful than the one in the Black Noah. Rugal had his arm vaporized completely and Heihachi was barely scratched. The Honmaru explosion blasted a person more durable than Rugal miles away and the Black Noah explosion supposedly couldn't blast away a wuss like Rugal. Obviously taking the Honmaru explosion without a scratch is a much greater feat than surviving the Black Noah with a lost arm.
It wasn't a lost arm, it was just the hand, 2 nobody has provenme wrong yet, and since Aircraft Carriers actually use nuclear reactors, and the Jacks are only slightly bigger than an average person.... Plus, nobody knows just HOW heihachi survived that blast andlay comatosedin the ground for 3 weeks,while Rugal, minus a hand wasn't damaged or thrownby the blast ofanuke, gofigure
Originally posted by Xenogears"Barely scratched" is an open mark right now, the guy was comatosed, and the Black Noah nukeditself, there is no evidenceto contradict, and the logic is that the Noah's reactor would have been breached by Rugal's detonator.
Anyone who's seen the T5 intro can see exactly how big the explosion was. From the helicopters' view it was massive and from Raven's perspective it was huge. For your information, all of the Jacks in the place detonated as a result of one of them doing so, so we're talking about 20 Jacks or so detonating in the same area. That's more intense than an aircraft carrier blowing up, added with the fact the BN explosion obliterated part of Rugal and the HM explosion barely scratched Heihachi.
Originally posted by Sam Z'
Shin Remy says that tekken loses!!! The end of the world is near!!! 😱 🙄You:
a) underrate Tekken.
and
b) overrate SF.As for this fight, it's been proven that Heihachi is more durable than Geese, and in terms of brute strength they're pretty much equel.
So Mishima can win this.
chair You just killed a good deal of your credibility on games, dude......... Tekken=SF/KOF? hysterical It has not been proven that Heihachi is more durable and nothing has been put forward that puts Heihachi on Geese's level.
Shin_Remy may be an SF fanboy, but he's correct about one thing. Tekken IS NOT on the same level as SF/KOF. It never has been, and to my knowledge, never will be.
Xenogear's bullshit arguements are the reason why alot of people, myself included, avoid VG versus now. ❌ They are the bane of this section of the forum.
Listen to me very carefully Sado & Cloud (Or Xenogears as you go by now), If Paul can go toe to toe with a Mishima, And win every once in a while, why can't Rugal?
Here are the facts, 2 guys survived explosions,one was thrown away for a few miles and was planted for 3 weeks in the ground. The other lost his hand, but is otherwise perfectly healthy, and wasn't thrown from the explosion.
again, safe bet he was most likely blown off since for an explosion to blown a mofo's hand clean off has to be one hell of an explosion. you with me thus far?
as for staying conscious, i already said that if one gets his arm blown off he's likely to pass out from the sudden blood loss anyway. but that's just speculation so i'll pass.
here's another one:
just cuz you pass out doesn't necessarily mean you drown. not to mention Vice and Mature were there to keep an eye on him the whole time so they could have rescued him too....keep in mind that Saishu was also unconscious at the time of the fight and was there in the blacknoah the whole time...but was there in KoF95 since Vice and Mature saved him. Good bet, they saved Rugal too. is that too hard to imagine? after all they WERE there to look after Rugal on Goenitz's orders.
Anyways, its not really the size of the explosion that matters, nobody knows how big Honmaru was nor know much of it was caught in the blast of that self detonating Jack, but I can tell you that a core breach of an aircraft carriers nuke reactor is going to be several times that of an explosion taking out some old temple.
Sado, takea deep breath, look at the facts and quit the overhype.... Seriously dude,every time I see you, your doing this sort of stuff, mostly against Street Fighter but hey...
Shin Remy says that tekken loses!!! The end of the world is near!!!
You just killed a good deal of your credibility on games, dude......... Tekken=SF/KOF?
Tekken is overrated... what is so special about that explosion
TP
as for the bullshit argument of cRoudO, i'm still snickering over your self contradictory "visible ki>>invisible ki" theory.
not to mention going sky high and then smacking the ground and surviving it pretty much pwns a guy who fell from a building and died...though he had the power of the scrolls and was in fact a godtier. props for TP😉
~The Invincible Sado-sama
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
'chair You just killed a good deal of your credibility on games, dude......... Tekken=SF/KOF? hysterical It has not been proven that Heihachi is more durable and nothing has been put forward that puts Heihachi on Geese's level.
Shin_Remy may be an SF fanboy, but he's correct about one thing. Tekken IS NOT on the same level as SF/KOF. It never has been, and to my knowledge, never will be.
Xenogear's bullshit arguements are the reason why alot of people, myself included, avoid VG versus now. ❌ They are the bane of this section of the forum.
What do you mean by Tekken = SF?
If that all tekken chars can beat ALL sf chars then - no, i never said anything like that.
But if that big deal of tekken characters would effortlessly pwn big deal of SF characters, then - yes. Argue that all you like, but that stupid "2D>3D" rule doesn't work here. As well as that ki manipulation doesn't prove that character A is stronger than character B.
It's a fact, just like the fact that like 50% of SF chars would lose to Tekken SECOND tiers in 1 on 1 battle.
As for durability, surviving that explosion alone says everything.
Originally posted by Sado22
no arguments there and i never said Rugal is going to go down easy.
Thats not my point is it? you failed to answer the question.
Originally posted by Sado22
here are two facts for you:
-you don't know whether or not Rugal was blown off
-you also don't know that Rugal was conscious or not
I know that Rugal wasn't charblasted because he took off using the Orochi power...
I know that Rugal was concious because one, he survived by not drowning on an exploding sinking ship and two, because the Orochi power wouldn't have worked otherwise.
Originally posted by Sado22
again, safe bet he was most likely blown off since for an explosion to blown a mofo's hand clean off has to be one hell of an explosion. you with me thus far?
Actually, safe bet that Rugal simply withstood the blast of a reactor going off, for reasons already mentioned
Originally posted by Sado22
as for staying conscious, i already said that if one gets his arm blown off he's likely to pass out from the sudden blood loss anyway. but that's just speculation so i'll pass.
here's another one:
He didn't bleed that much, O.Rugal tears his own chest out and hardly bleeds at all
Originally posted by Sado22
just cuz you pass out doesn't necessarily mean you drown. not to mention Vice and Mature were there to keep an eye on him the whole time so they could have rescued him too....keep in mind that Saishu was also unconscious at the time of the fight and was there in the blacknoah the whole time...but was there in KoF95 since Vice and Mature saved him. Good bet, they saved Rugal too. is that too hard to imagine? after all they WERE there to look after Rugal on Goenitz's orders.
Actually, if your on a sinking ship and you pass out, you'll definitely drown. Now we have speculatory conjecture that the two secretaries saved him. THAT demands in story proof, at least I provided logic to my argument.
Originally posted by Sado22
again...the explosion of KoF98 is the same and it wasn't a nuke blast. just one part of the ship was burning. if it was a nuke thing, it would have probably vaporized...which it didn't as seen in even KoF94 where we see the place burning but not vaporized.
No, 98 is non-canon. the animations where different too, stop skirting the argument by using an invalid scourse Sado...Nuclear flames Sado, the ship wasn't even visibe behind the wall of flamesas it sunk.
Originally posted by Sado22
no need to tell me to chill. i'm not the one who gets an asthama attack just cuz someone disagrees with me😉
I don't mind debating, but when people dredge up the ugliest most inconsistent and f@$#%ng stupid arguments, thats anoyying, and I will say my peice to make sure others get the correct message.
Originally posted by Sam ZDJ would be killed by Bryan Fury but it just so happens that most of the strongest fighting game characters are in 2d games.
Then why would Dee Jay beat Brayan Fury?
Because he has visible ki? Or may be because he's a SF character?
Guess what, he'd get his butt kicked, despite that he has better ki manipulation and despite that he's a SF char.
So again, 2D or 3D means nothing. It's all about the characters.
Thats not my point is it? you failed to answer the question
I know that Rugal wasn't charblasted because he took off using the Orochi power...
I know that Rugal was concious because one, he survived by not drowning on an exploding sinking ship and two, because the Orochi power wouldn't have worked otherwise.
He didn't bleed that much, O.Rugal tears his own chest out and hardly bleeds at all
Actually, if your on a sinking ship and you pass out, you'll definitely drown. Now we have speculatory conjecture that the two secretaries saved him. THAT demands in story proof, at least I provided logic to my argument.
and okay, okay. fine so maybe rugal was not unconscious. fine, you happy?
but
how is he more durable if an explosion ripped off his whole right forearm, while heihachi was in one piece. HECK, he was very conscious as he was blasted away as is seen in that scene where they show him being charblasted over the sky. he lost consciousness ON IMPACT. not before it.
so, who'se more durable?
No, 98 is non-canon. the animations where different too, stop skirting the argument by using an invalid scourse Sado...Nuclear flames Sado, the ship wasn't even visibe behind the wall of flamesas it sunk.
~The Invincible Sado-sama
What part of Non-canon don't you understand sado22.
From wikipedia
In terms of plot, the game did not appear to have a story; instead, SNK developed the game as a "dream match" for characters from all previous King of Fighters games, including killed-off characters. The series' canon storyline would resume in The King of Fighters '99.
Originally posted by Sado22
you ask the wrong question, my friend. i never said Rugal can't fight the mishimas.
Thats got nothing to do with the question, stopsidestepping it and just answer.
Originally posted by Sado22
you are wrong because Rugal never actually took off or whatever.
Prove me wrong then.
Originally posted by Sado22
you are wrong again because before the blast happened he had already used the Orochi power.
also the words used are "rugal used the orochi power for the first time". he became omega Rugal at the time to withstand the blast.
Now this requires heavy proofon your part Sado, nothing is ever mentioned of the girls saving him, Sayshu maybe, but not Rugal, Goenitz didn't say make sure he lives, he wanted the to keep an eye on him in case he turned against the Orochi
Originally posted by Sado22
he just scratches himself in that winpose.
You don't get huge cuts from just scratching dude, look at the animation again.
Originally posted by Sado22
so what, your not speculating?!
the nuke is not speculation, the conscious rugal is not speculation? come on stop blaming me for all the things you're doing yourself.
what i'm saying isn't so complicated actually:
-Vice and mature are on the same damn ship
-Vice and mature are there during the explosion
-Vice and mature are there next year too
-Vice and mature saved Saishu...how else in the world did an unconscious man wind up with Rugal in the first place. Also it WAS Vice who brainwashed Saishu.
-Vice and mature were ordered by Goenitz to look after Rugal, so is it really out of question if they saved his @ss in that explosion? no.
Speculation based on logical deductions is far more valuable than simple speculation based on fanwank.
The nuke thing maybe speculation, but you tell mewhats going to happen to a burning and sinking ships reactor... come on... tell me! Answer = Nuke reactors don't go dormat, they go into meltdown and blow the **** up.
Rugal remaining awake is another logical deduction.. since he would have died otherwise.
The girls had nothing to do with it, they where busy with Saishu to worry about Bernstein... Where's your proof that they got him out?
Originally posted by Sado22
and okay, okay. fine so maybe rugal was not unconscious. fine, you happy?
but
how is he more durable if an explosion ripped off his whole right forearm, while heihachi was in one piece. HECK, he was very conscious as he was blasted away as is seen in that scene where they show him being charblasted over the sky. he lost consciousness ON IMPACT. not before it.
so, who'se more durable?
Prove that Heihachi was concious when he was flung by that blast...
Yeah thats right...
I still say Rugal after owning two casts worth of characters, not tomention that even though he lost a hand,he remained conciousand alive and unharmed exeptfor the hand... Tell me this Sado,if Rugal was so damn vulnerableasyou think, then why didhe only lose ahand,andnot get killed?
Originally posted by Sado22
nuclear my @$$ man. read my lips: THE SHIP WAS NOT VAPORIZED as would be the case if it really was a nuke explosion. it burnt and SANK.
also we see the ship from far away in KoF94 and its kinda understood that all we would see is smoke and fire.
in KoF98 its a closeup of the SAME incident. why is it so hard for you to acknowledge that fact? we see it, and its not a nuke, nor is it such a huge explosion. the ship burns and sinks in the ocean. period.
Your getting thicker and thicker now.... you obviously will not listen to logic (One of the 10 fanboy commandments) now your trying to admitpictures froma non-canon game asproof. No sado, even if it mirrors the events of 94 exactly, it's still inadmissable.
Originally posted by Sado22
what part of ITS THE SAME DAMN INCIDENT don't you understand?
heck he's litereally fighting in a burnt-to-crisp version of Blacknoah.
No,it's not,because 98 was a DREAM MATCH, bloody hell....