Still confused about T-Vo
I understand that you've described T-Vo as Superman's ability to beat any opponent, but what I'm looking for is the origin of the word. I've been reading comics (Superman being my Fave) for 25 years. I've never seen this described and until yesterday I had never seen the word at all. Granted I did take a break from comics during the whole Superman Blue BS but even the last 3 or 4 months I haven't seen it and they're ramping him back up to pre-Byrne power levels. Is this jargon exclusive to this board?
On a side note: Is there a Marvel bias around here or what? Nearly every thread seems to favor Marvel's over DC's no matter who the opponents are and the DC's usually have to have "exceptions" like Superman can't use superspeed or that kind of nonsense. What I've heard for years is "DC sucks because Superman is too powerful. Marvel is coolest because mutants rule, blah blah blah." IF the Surfer is so gawd awful powerful and cool why can't his comics last more than a few years at a stretch?
Yeah I'm biased but I still enjoy reading all kinds of funny books, Marvel included. There's not a lot of room for a serious discussion from what I've seen.
Originally posted by Soleran
I have been wrong before just not in most of these fights between superman and SS, especially where speed is concerned🙂
Travelling speed...yup. Fighting speed has never been proven especially OFF the board.
Originally posted by Soleran
Maybe but did you make those threads yet? Cuz I have had to read alot about Dominus and T-vo as of late.
That comment made no sense. Try again. You bring up Dominus not I.
Originally posted by Soleran
I found this funny to read saying as you were saying the same type thing about how Superman is more Powerful then SS it's just he is more diverse, are you following this now as well, you are a funny guy.
More powerful. Superman. More diverse. SS. Thanos is more powerful that SS but a lot less diverse. Simpe to understand right?
Originally posted by Soleran
Hey if that's your perception then so be it, then again Superman is constantly upping his feats exponentially due to plot so that makes it hard to judge where he is because he is always changing to fit that PIS you love so much.
Of course, I forgot this is a DC biased board...
Originally posted by Soleran
Anything else you would like to add to this that resembles any semblance of construction to the discussion? SS is an energy level manipulator on a Universal level staying away from a brawl I believe SS takes this match 7/10
Except you completely ignore that 99% of his fights end up in h2h and blasts.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Surfer is faster. Has better energy projection. More application of power.
Debateable superior durability.And he's not more powerful??
The only sure thing that Superman has on Surfer, is physical strength.
And T-vo....................
But as i said before, if Superman beat Surfer in a fight, it wouldn't surprise me. Just disappoint me.
As in Marvel whoring out one of their best creations.Cuz i mean c'mon....Being more powerful or immune/resistant to everything Superman can dish out, doesn't mean you should win a battle!!
Thats just ludicrous. He is Superman, after all!And GL's have feats that trump damn near anything from the Guardians. Doesn't mean we still don't know who's more powerful.
Their "best" creation can't keep a running title... and being "whored" out is just silly. He gets whored everytime he goes H2H with Thanos or anyone else. It's how he fights and I'm just going by it.
SS is more diverse because of his power cosmic, but Superman's basic powerset has done more than enough to justify him being more powerful.
If forum SS is going to be used, there shouldn't be ANY argument against forum Supes either.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Travelling speed...yup. Fighting speed has never been proven especially OFF the board.
Yup and I don't really get into how SS is going to speedblitz slug feset people, no I say speedblitz single punch or he flys away to use power cosmic which he has shown he is more than fast enough to do.
That comment made no sense. Try again. You bring up Dominus not I.
That commnet was to illustrate how you and several others continually use Dominus as an example to how powerful T-vo is. Did I say continually becuase thats what I meant its really over used and not well justified.
More powerful. Superman. More diverse. SS. Thanos is more powerful that SS but a lot less diverse. Simpe to understand right?
Absolutely and Thanos doesn't have the "weakness's" that Superman has either and thats where SS's diversity is his strength in this match up with this opponent. Just because you are more powerful doesn't garner you wins against every opponent if they can utilize a significant weakness against you.
Except you completely ignore that 99% of his fights end up in h2h and blasts.
Blasts being the key here, blasts of k-nite, blasts of red sun, blah blah blah now I can read more about Superman's new immunities as well I suppose🙂 Also I have clearly stated that should a fight with SS and Superman go to slugfest the Guy with the cape would win, did you want me to quote myself from the forums to reprove it to you? Sheesh
THe silver Surfer can absorb solar radiation faster than superman can. I have a comic somewhere where Silver Surfer absorbed an entire sun in like a few seconds. He went mad with so much power. If I remember correctly, they had to like ping pong him so he could breach some force shield.( I think it was drax with his fist, and Hulk with an asteroid.) Sorry I can't remember where I read that. So many comics I have read that it is all a jumble. But the surfer could absorb the sun where ever they fight and just pummel Superman to death. His strength at that point is beyond even superman's. ANd if he puts some cosmic bubbles around those silver fist, supers goes down faster. surfer doesn't really have to use krytonite or drain supers to win. He could be really sneaky and turn his hands into red sun glowing pom poms and kill supers in one punch.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Their "best" creation can't keep a running title... and being "whored" out is just silly. He gets whored everytime he goes H2H with Thanos or anyone else. It's how he fights and I'm just going by it.SS is more diverse because of his power cosmic, but Superman's basic powerset has done more than enough to justify him being more powerful.
If forum SS is going to be used, there shouldn't be ANY argument against forum Supes either.
Silver Surfer is definitely not Marvel's best creation, but one of the most versatile for sure. And of course he gets his ass kicked every time he goes out against Thanos, he fights like a jerk. And if he fought Supes like that too, there would be no way he could win him. It all goes down to one thing, how SS fights.
As you smartly said, SS is more diverse and Supes has some serious feats to back up he's powerset. Both have effective weapons against each other, again we go down to Surfer's fighting style.
So, if SS is an idiot, he loses pretty much every single time. When fighting to his fullest extent, he IMO would take the majority.
Avalonofthewind, I really like your posts, you have nice and clear way of arguing. It's always a pleasure to read good and professional posts 🙂
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THe silver Surfer can absorb solar radiation faster than superman can. I have a comic somewhere where Silver Surfer absorbed an entire sun in like a few seconds. He went mad with so much power. If I remember correctly, they had to like ping pong him so he could breach some force shield.( I think it was drax with his fist, and Hulk with an asteroid.) Sorry I can't remember where I read that. So many comics I have read that it is all a jumble. But the surfer could absorb the sun where ever they fight and just pummel Superman to death. His strength at that point is beyond even superman's. ANd if he puts some cosmic bubbles around those silver fist, supers goes down faster. surfer doesn't really have to use krytonite or drain supers to win. He could be really sneaky and turn his hands into red sun glowing pom poms and kill supers in one punch.
Superman does not lose his powers under a red sun or exposure to it's light. He gains his powers from exposure to a yellow sun, under which he has lived for his 30 years on Earth.