Superman Vrs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
What makes Thanos more powerful than SS?

What makes Thanos able to beat Surfer, is that nothing Surfer has ever done, paused Thanos.
PC blasts?? Shrugs it off.
Transmutation?? As an Eternal, he has extensive control over his body.

And frankly, Superman doesn't represent the same spot in his universe as Thanos.

Superman is touted as the most powerful hero dc has.

Thanos is the guy who beats the stuffing out of Marvels best heroes.

Thanos is above the top tier in Marvel.
Superman defines top tier for DC.

Unless you really feel that Superman would shrug off pc blasts like Thanos, i don't see how you can feel he's more powerful.

He's taken blows from Marvel's strongest hero, and shown no pain.

And i know of no forum surfer. Only silver surfer.
We take cis/pis out right??

Surfer has this in the bag.

Originally posted by Soleran
Yup and I don't really get into how SS is going to speedblitz slug feset people, no I say speedblitz single punch or he flys away to use power cosmic which he has shown he is more than fast enough to do.

And we know how often SS does that...never... Supes could easily do the same...no problem.

Originally posted by Soleran
That commnet was to illustrate how you and several others continually use Dominus as an example to how powerful T-vo is. Did I say continually becuase thats what I meant its really over used and not well justified.

It's on panel. He prevented everything from kryptonite to reality manipulation. If you want to deny it...not a problem with me.

Originally posted by Soleran
Absolutely and Thanos doesn't have the "weakness's" that Superman has either and thats where SS's diversity is his strength in this match up with this opponent. Just because you are more powerful doesn't garner you wins against every opponent if they can utilize a significant weakness against you.

Never said it was 10/10 for anybody, but SS sure isn't just shrugging off Supes attacks either.

Originally posted by Soleran
Blasts being the key here, blasts of k-nite, blasts of red sun, blah blah blah now I can read more about Superman's new immunities as well I suppose🙂 Also I have clearly stated that should a fight with SS and Superman go to slugfest the Guy with the cape would win, did you want me to quote myself from the forums to reprove it to you? Sheesh

When have I every said he was immune to either? They aren't instant wins and he's been dealing with them for years. Dig out all the quotes you like...I can do the same. 🙂

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
That was the Eradicator. Dominus is the guy who nearly killed Kismet, altered reality on a whim, and had the JLA and Linear men on edge.

Coincidentally, he would own Superman OR Surfer without too much effort.

It's on panel. He prevented everything from kryptonite to reality manipulation. If you want to deny it...not a problem with me.

I'm not denying it, however even you acknowledged that he shouldn't have happened here.

Anyway as I have said in the past due to SS's energy manipulation abilities he gets the wins 7/10.

What about the fact the silver surfer can absorb far more energy than superman? Doesn't that count for something. Surfer could amp his strength far beyond supermans. If only for the breifest of moments. He did it before. Why not again? Energy manipulation is no the only way the Surfer wins this. He could Out punch superman for a brief time.

Originally posted by Skeets
T-vo was explained by Superman himself that T-vo was just a kryptonian meditation technique.Ain't it only one writer who uses it as a instant win?

Well, I finally found T-Vo aka Torquasm Vo. Google is your friend. No wonder you guys have been shortening it...yech.

Obviously Superman fights his opponents with his powers in reserve. He ramps up his powers to match and eventually surpass theirs to end the fight. If Superman went full out from the get go he'd 1) Kill (most, not all) said opponent and 2) level a great deal of the surrounding real estate. Superman does tend to fight in Metropolis more than anywhere else so I'd say that makes him somewhat more responsible with his powers than most. Now if he's meeting the Surfer in outer space and (according to the forum rules) he already knows Surfers powers he'd uncork a t-vo induced barage that the Surfer would wilt under...not that it would be quick or close, it'd take at least six issues.

What if it is only one writer that uses it? If it's the current writer I'd say he's kind of in control as long as the Ed. in Chief says OK, right? I promise you if I was writing the book I'd have Universus and his Messenger, the Bronze Boarder, show up to consume the (DC) Solar System...well I'm sure you can guess as to how I'd run the story from there as I'm sure I can guess how you'd do the same. 😛

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
THe silver Surfer can absorb solar radiation faster than superman can. I have a comic somewhere where Silver Surfer absorbed an entire sun in like a few seconds. He went mad with so much power. If I remember correctly, they had to like ping pong him so he could breach some force shield.( I think it was drax with his fist, and Hulk with an asteroid.) Sorry I can't remember where I read that. So many comics I have read that it is all a jumble. But the surfer could absorb the sun where ever they fight and just pummel Superman to death. His strength at that point is beyond even superman's. ANd if he puts some cosmic bubbles around those silver fist, supers goes down faster. surfer doesn't really have to use krytonite or drain supers to win. He could be really sneaky and turn his hands into red sun glowing pom poms and kill supers in one punch.

Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
Well, I finally found T-Vo aka Torquasm Vo. Google is your friend. No wonder you guys have been shortening it...yech.

Obviously Superman fights his opponents with his powers in reserve. He ramps up his powers to match and eventually surpass theirs to end the fight. If Superman went full out from the get go he'd 1) Kill (most, not all) said opponent and 2) level a great deal of the surrounding real estate. Superman does tend to fight in Metropolis more than anywhere else so I'd say that makes him somewhat more responsible with his powers than most. Now if he's meeting the Surfer in outer space and (according to the forum rules) he already knows Surfers powers he'd uncork a t-vo induced barage that the Surfer would wilt under...not that it would be quick or close, it'd take at least six issues.

What if it is only one writer that uses it? If it's the current writer I'd say he's kind of in control as long as the Ed. in Chief says OK, right? I promise you if I was writing the book I'd have Universus and his Messenger, the Bronze Boarder, show up to consume the (DC) Solar System...well I'm sure you can guess as to how I'd run the story from there as I'm sure I can guess how you'd do the same. 😛

Originally posted by Rols
So he copies SS PC, but wouldnt that just empowers SS. I mean if you think about it SS is an absorber, more energies he absorbs the stronger he gets..

Absorb what, the Kinetic energy from Supes world shattering punches? Does the Surfer have any weaknesses besides the Sonic Shark Missile developed by the US Army in the 1960's? If Dr. Doom can strip the Surfer of his Power Cosmic and use it for himself I'd say there's a bigger chink in his armor than you're willing to admit.

If the Surfer is so powerful why are we even discussing this? 😕

Originally posted by Rols
So he copies SS PC, but wouldnt that just empowers SS. I mean if you think about it SS is an absorber, more energies he absorbs the stronger he gets..

Part of T-vo is that Supes screws up the other characters powerset as well. They can't use their power as effectively.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
What about the fact the silver surfer can absorb far more energy than superman? Doesn't that count for something. Surfer could amp his strength far beyond supermans. If only for the breifest of moments. He did it before. Why not again? Energy manipulation is no the only way the Surfer wins this. He could Out punch superman for a brief time.

Superman is just more efficient....without absorbing a full sun, he became Superman Prime.

Flying through the sun amped up his stats considerably, to the point of being near unstoppable.

Besides, Superman absoribed the god killing concentrated anti-sun Mageddon without any issue. He literally absorbed it by willing himself to absorb.

Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
Absorb what, the Kinetic energy from Supes world shattering punches? Does the Surfer have any weaknesses besides the Sonic Shark Missile developed by the US Army in the 1960's? If Dr. Doom can strip the Surfer of his Power Cosmic and use it for himself I'd say there's a bigger chink in his armor than you're willing to admit.

If the Surfer is so powerful why are we even discussing this? 😕

Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
Well, I finally found T-Vo aka Torquasm Vo. Google is your friend. No wonder you guys have been shortening it...yech.

Obviously Superman fights his opponents with his powers in reserve. He ramps up his powers to match and eventually surpass theirs to end the fight. If Superman went full out from the get go he'd 1) Kill (most, not all) said opponent and 2) level a great deal of the surrounding real estate. Superman does tend to fight in Metropolis more than anywhere else so I'd say that makes him somewhat more responsible with his powers than most. Now if he's meeting the Surfer in outer space and (according to the forum rules) he already knows Surfers powers he'd uncork a t-vo induced barage that the Surfer would wilt under...not that it would be quick or close, it'd take at least six issues.

What if it is only one writer that uses it? If it's the current writer I'd say he's kind of in control as long as the Ed. in Chief says OK, right? I promise you if I was writing the book I'd have Universus and his Messenger, the Bronze Boarder, show up to consume the (DC) Solar System...well I'm sure you can guess as to how I'd run the story from there as I'm sure I can guess how you'd do the same. 😛

Originally posted by juggernaut66666
Superman can't loose on this forum

Originally posted by Rewmac
Yes he can. He can loose to Wolverine...

Wolverine is unstoppable force that kills anything,everything no matter how strong how big it is...

Originally posted by Soleran
I'm not denying it, however even you acknowledged that he shouldn't have happened here.

Anyway as I have said in the past due to SS's energy manipulation abilities he gets the wins 7/10.

I said that Dominus would own either one under normal circumstances. His powerset is PIS beyond belief as well.

Superman is just more efficient....without absorbing a full sun, he became Superman Prime.

Flying through the sun amped up his stats considerably, to the point of being near unstoppable.

Besides, Superman absoribed the god killing concentrated anti-sun Mageddon without any issue. He literally absorbed it by willing himself to absorb..

Surfer 6-7/10.

sorry

According to marvel.com:

The Silver Surfer wields "the power cosmic," absorbing and manipulating the universe's ambient cosmic energies. He can augment his strength to incalculable levels, and is almost totally indestructible. He can navigate space, hyperspace and dimensional barriers, and can fly at near-limitless speeds on his board, entering hyperspace when he exceeds light speed. He has even proven capable of time travel on occasion. The Surfer does not require food, drink, air or sleep, sustained entirely by converting matter into energy. He is immune to temperature extremes and most radiation, and can survive in vacuum environments such as outer space and hyperspace. He can analyze and manipulate matter and energy, and restructure or animate matter at will, even transmuting elements. He can heal living beings (though he cannot raise the dead), and has proven capable of revitalizing or evolving organic life on a planet wide scale. He can alter the size of himself or of other matter, cast illusions, fire energy blasts, form and manipulate energy constructs, manipulate gravity, absorb and discharge most forms of energy, and phase through solid matter. His senses enable him to detect objects and energies light years away, and to perceive matter and energy in subatomic detail; he can even see through time, and with concentration can achieve limited perception of past and future events in his general vicinity. The Surfer has demonstrated limited telepathic ability on occasion, and has proven able to influence human emotion and sensation.

According to Marvel's own website (which is excellent by the way) the Surfer does have limitations. I've been trying to find a powers description of the current and recently ret-con'd Superman and I'm not having much luck...DC needs to have a better website than that.

stopped reading that after three words... I know surfer has a lot of tricks up his sleeve, but if he got foolish and got too close to superman he'd get knocked out.

7/10 surfer wins the majority, but may lose 2-3 if he got clumsy with the fight.