Superman Vrs Silver Surfer

Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
Actually he kind of does. 😉

Okay... prove it. The only story I've ever seen where he immediately lost his powers under a Red sun was an old Curt Swan drawn issue from the early 60's, the same era that produced a super cat, horse, monkey etc. He's been ret-con'd twice since then ('88 and just recently) so Supes would not lose his powers when exposed to red sun light/radiation. He'd still have the energy he had previously absorbed. So unless the Surfer can change a yellow sun into a red sun (which I'm sure you'll say that he could) he'd still have a fight on his hands until Supes used up his stored energy.

Originally posted by Skeets
I stopped reading at "Well".

So why bother posting? Are you looking for a flame war or what?

Originally posted by MattDay
stopped reading that after three words... I know surfer has a lot of tricks up his sleeve, but if he got foolish and got too close to superman he'd get knocked out.

7/10 surfer wins the majority, but may lose 2-3 if he got clumsy with the fight.

Stopped reading because you were afraid you'd learn that the Surfer isn't omnipotent? 😉

My point in posting that is everyone keeps talking about how he'd blast Supes with Kryptonite radiation. Perhaps Kryptonite, seeing as how it does not exist n the Marvel universe, is one of the few rads he can't manipulate.

lol I actually like superman, look through some of the threads or ask some of my haters lol, they'll tell you.

I think surfer has one too many tricks up his sleeve, but superman still can kick surfers ass if he gets too cocky or distracted

Originally posted by MattDay
lol I actually like superman, look through some of the threads or ask some of my haters lol, they'll tell you.

I think surfer has one too many tricks up his sleeve, but superman still can kick surfers ass if he gets too cocky or distracted

Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
Stopped reading because you were afraid you'd learn that the Surfer isn't omnipotent? 😉

My point in posting that is everyone keeps talking about how he'd blast Supes with Kryptonite radiation. Perhaps Kryptonite, seeing as how it does not exist n the Marvel universe, is one of the few rads he can't manipulate.

And the fact of the matter is that you can 'perhaps' all day, but it's almost universally accepted around here that using his cosmic awareness to get the details on K-Nite, Surfer WOULD be able to simulate it.

Originally posted by darthgoober
No one is saying that Surfer IS omnipotent(that argument is being used for Supes with T-vo).

And the fact of the matter is that you can 'perhaps' all day, but it's almost universally accepted around here that using his cosmic awareness to get the details on K-Nite, Surfer WOULD be able to simulate it.

Dude! It says in Marvel's own description that he can maipulate MOST froms of radiation. Most = not all. Where do you draw the line? You can apparently "Cosmic anything all day" as a rationale for doing something that even Marvel states has limitations.

I'm new to this whole T-Vo thing and I haven't the slightest idea what it can or can't do. I knida think Supes doesn't even need that.

Originally posted by MattDay
lol I actually like superman, look through some of the threads or ask some of my haters lol, they'll tell you.

I think surfer has one too many tricks up his sleeve, but superman still can kick surfers ass if he gets too cocky or distracted

Cool. I guess we'd need some parameters.

Do they meet in outerspace and have a conversation where each mistakes the other for a badguy? Superman clobbers him and wins round one.

Surfer, near Pluto's orbit, sees Supes passing Mars and melts Superman with the All Mighty Power Cosmic before he can get past Saturn's rings.

Superman uses celestial bodies to dodge behind as he quickly approaches Surfer's position. Surfer pursues and is hit from behind by Superman as he slings around Jupiter using it's gravity to give him a little boost.

Surfer obliterates Earth's Sun and turns Earth into solid kryptonite, effectively killing Superman and everyone else on Earth. Yay Surfer.

I guess it's a question of distance. If they suddenly appear within arms reach of each other, Superman probably wins. If Surfer has a light-minute to prepare, Surfer probably wins.

But I agree with Big Sexy, they'd be total bro's man.

Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
Dude! It says in Marvel's own description that he can maipulate MOST froms of radiation. Most = not all. Where do you draw the line? You can apparently "Cosmic anything all day" as a rationale for doing something that even Marvel states has limitations.

I'm new to this whole T-Vo thing and I haven't the slightest idea what it can or can't do. I knida think Supes doesn't even need that.

And if your going by that bio, it also says that he can amp up his strength to incalculatable level, and is almost indestructable.

Spoiler:
Superman loses!

Originally posted by darthgoober
Handbooks aren't given much weight around here, but if you can come up with an example of his not being able to manipulate some form of radiation, I'll take that into consideration. But K-nite besides, he still has redsun radiation and solar energy absorbtion.

And if your going by that bio, it also says that he can amp up his strength to incalculatable level, and is almost indestructable.

Incalcuable levels. Not infinite. I have seen Superman do the same.

Almost indestructible. Not totally indestructible. Superman is described as the same.

I say again, Red Sun Radiation wouldn't affect him like you think it would. His energy is stored. Sure Surfer can absorb energy but who's to say he could extract it from Supes own "nearly indestructible" physique?

If handbooks aren't given much weight around here (I did not quote a "handbook" I quoted marvel.com) what is, just the opinion of fanboys or direct quotes from CB writers?

Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
Incalcuable levels. Not infinite. I have seen Superman do the same.

Almost indestructible. Not totally indestructible. Superman is described as the same.

I say again, Red Sun Radiation wouldn't affect him like you think it would. His energy is stored. Sure Surfer can absorb energy but who's to say he could extract it from Supes own "nearly indestructible" physique?

If handbooks aren't given much weight around here (I did not quote a "handbook" I quoted marvel.com) what is, just the opinion of fanboys or direct quotes from CB writers?

I agree, that and Supes is becoming immune to Kryptonite, already some what is right now, IC#7 and the battle where he fights LEx on a ship made of Kyrptonite.

Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
Incalcuable levels. Not infinite. I have seen Superman do the same.

Almost indestructible. Not totally indestructible. Superman is described as the same.

I say again, Red Sun Radiation wouldn't affect him like you think it would. His energy is stored. Sure Surfer can absorb energy but who's to say he could extract it from Supes own "nearly indestructible" physique?

If handbooks aren't given much weight around here (I did not quote a "handbook" I quoted marvel.com) what is, just the opinion of fanboys or direct quotes from CB writers?

Originally posted by Jesse7
I agree, that and Supes is becoming immune to Kryptonite, already some what is right now, IC#7 and the battle where he fights LEx on a ship made of Kyrptonite.

I'm not trying to downsize Supes ability, I actually give him the majority agaist someone like Thor, I just feel that Surfer has the proper weapons at his disposal to take him out.

I say again, Red Sun Radiation wouldn't affect him like you think it would. His energy is stored. Sure Surfer can absorb energy but who's to say he could extract it from Supes own "nearly indestructible" physique?

If your talking invulnaribility SS has been shown on comic panel to reform after his atom being disperse or part of his body scattered throughout the Universe yet manage to put it back together..

Originally posted by thedude1948
Done before Silver Surfer wins 10/10.

Originally posted by ManOf2morrow
Dude! It says in Marvel's own description that he can maipulate MOST froms of radiation. Most = not all. Where do you draw the line? You can apparently "Cosmic anything all day" as a rationale for doing something that even Marvel states has limitations.

I'm new to this whole T-Vo thing and I haven't the slightest idea what it can or can't do. I knida think Supes doesn't even need that.

Here are some scans of it in action.

Superman sucks Dominus into a psychic arena of his choosing using Torquasm Vo. One of his lesser used abilities. It's borderline reality control.
Make effective kryptonite once in this state? Nope.

Superman resists actual reality control and adapts to it on the fly...
He even turns into Kingdom come Superman and Superman 1M while fighting.

How powerful is Dominus? Some asked...

The fact that Supes has ANY victories over this guy is impressive. [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Here are some scans of it in action.

Superman sucks Dominus into a psychic arena of his choosing using Torquasm Vo. One of his lesser used abilities. It's borderline reality control.
Make effective kryptonite once in this state? Nope.

Superman resists actual reality control and adapts to it on the fly...
He even turns into Kingdom come Superman and Superman 1M while fighting.

How powerful is Dominus? Some asked...

The fact that Supes has ANY victories over this guy is impressive.

Avy, quick question.

Was the reality manipulation done in itself by T-vo, or was it due to the fact that Superman had access to Dominus's own reality warping power, and he used it against him, as you've already explained T-vo does?

t-vo gives me a headache . . . 🙁