Originally posted by the Darkone
To bad Odins back after the end of Ragnorok. To bad SBP got beat down by post crisis superman, and cried like a little b***h when he got stomped.
I hope ur kidding right? First off, SBP was beating the shit out of BOTH superman. Precrisis and POst crisis. And then he lost his powers. He was nothign then but a teenage boy fighting two grown men. please don't act like they were all fully powered at the end of that fight. None of them had thier powers. that is one reason why Superman had to leave the jla for a year. he had no powers. Hence "52". A world without superman, batman and wonder woman.
Originally posted by the Darkone
To bad Odins back after the end of Ragnorok. To bad SBP got beat down by post crisis superman, and cried like a little b***h when he got stomped.
lol? SBP killed pre-crisis superman, as well as taking on and defeating the entire Green Lantern corps, as well as taking on and defeating DC Earth, as well as overcoming and breaking out of both the speed force and the Phantom zone. SBP also was able to retcon all of DC's history and storyline by punching, he was also able to speed blitz simulatniously multiple flashes, you keep repeating the same thing, but don't mention feats.
O and Odin may be back, but point being is that he was KILLED by sutur and thats cannon undisputable, want to know what else is cannon? The Marvel/DC xover where WW (Diana) and two others defeated Surtur, this may mean nothing but if WW and two others>Surtur who>Odin, and SBP far surpasses WW, then yeah I think SBP completely curbstomps Odin here.
Yes I know A>b>C>A isn't popular here but its not for the argument its to demonstrate that Odin going by whats shown in comics and not speculation, is much weaker then your hyping him to be.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Superman did KO SBP am I correct, thought so. The end of the battle what counts. Odin will send him to Hela, which she will rip his soul out of him.
Did you actually read the comics? post-crisis superman was able to KO SBP at the end because SBP momentarily lost his powers, as well as post supes, meaning it was grown man in his 30's physique versus a teenager in his 19's/20's physique.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Yes all of that is nice and good. But what does that have to do with the fact that SBP is stronger than Odin/faster/and has NO NO NO weakness to magic. What is Odin going to do to Superboy prime?
Because really strength matters to a being that fights a foe that crushed a galaxy to forge a sword. A being that touched Hela was not only unaffected but was actually hurting her. The very same being who's mere touch aged Thor to near death.
What does speed and strength mean to some who fights on multiple planes of existence against his enemy?
So what if he has no weakness to magic? That's like saying the Quasar has no weakness to magic and so Odin couldn't kill him. All of Odin's enemies aren't weak to magic either, in fact they're sufficient magic wielders themselves. It's not magic that gives Odin an edge over his enemies, it's that he's that damn powerful. Thor is magical but that never stops him from beating up Surfer, Gladiator, Hulk, Namor, and every others who does not have a weakness to magic.
Surfer is faster than Odin, Mangog is stronger than Odin. But Odin beat them both with gestures.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Odin will take out SBP out so fast, he would still think that he was on earth prime. Odin feats>>>>>>>> SBP.
And if you want to use a one time low feat as an example against SBP, then I guess I'll use one against Odin.
Odin once moved the moon and it completely taxed him of all his strength and power, SBP was pulling Solar systems, by that Logic SBP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Odin in feats.
To be on a more serious note, SBP does > Odin in feats.
Originally posted by the Darkone
Odin will take out SBP out so fast, he would still think that he was on earth prime. Odin feats>>>>>>>> SBP.
now back it up. how is Oding going to beat a being stronger than anything ever seen in comics? Faster than multiple flashes. able to beat the entire gl corpse. What can odin do? i want to hear your theory. Remember magic doesn't work on superboy prime. So odin woudl have to use physical strength. Is odin going to be able to outpunch a being who can change time limes with a single punch? SbP would punch odin and change his time line so that he ended up a rock troll.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Because really strength matters to a being that fights beings who crushed a galaxy to forge a sword. Or a being that touched Hela was not only unaffected but was actually hurting her. The very same being who's mere touch aged Thor to near death.What does speed and strength mean to some who fights on multiple planes of existence against his enemy?
So what if he has no weakness to magic? That's like saying the Quasar has no weakness to magic and so Odin couldn't kill him. All of Odin's enemies aren't weak to magic either, in fact they're sufficient magic wielders themselves. It's not magic that gives Odin an edge over his enemies, it's that he's that damn powerful. Thor is magical but that never stops him from beating up Surfer, Gladiator, Hulk, Namor, and every others who does not have a weakness to magic.
Surfer is faster than Odin, Mangog is stronger than Odin. But Odin beat them both with gestures.
To bad Quasar and Surfer are bad examples to compare SBP with, seeing AS SBP soloed DC earth, simulatanious speed blitzed multiple Flashes, soloed the Entire GL corps and killed Pre Crsis Superman.
Lets add another notch onto his feat list, as for ODins galaxy crushing powers, SBP surpasses them in power, SBP overcame and broke out of the speed force, the speed force>>>>>>>Odin and Odin Force. Secondly SBP overcame and broke out of the Phantom Zone, the phantom zone>>>>>>Odin and the Odin force as well as the Phantom Zone houses beings much more powerful then Odin and abstract level.
SBP also has the power to alter time, continuity, newgods, skyfathers, superman, abstracts, and the entire DC megeaverse( though DC doesn't call it a megaverse) by punching.
SBP surpasses Odin in feats, not only is SBP stronger, faster, tougher, but he also has powers that far surpass any of Odins feats, o you want to bring up his one high feat of when he caused ripples in the marvel multiverse? SBP changed the entire DC megaverse by punching, he was responsible for Paralax, Superman Blue, etc. etc.
SBP 8/10 over Odin
Originally posted by Jesse7
To bad Quasar and Surfer are bad examples to compare SBP with, seeing AS SBP soloed DC earth, simulatanious speed blitzed multiple Flashes, soloed the Entire GL corps and killed Pre Crsis Superman.Lets add another notch onto his feat list, as for ODins galaxy crushing powers, SBP surpasses them in power, SBP overcame and broke out of the speed force, the speed force>>>>>>>Odin and Odin Force. Secondly SBP overcame and broke out of the Phantom Zone, the phantom zone>>>>>>Odin and the Odin force as well as the Phantom Zone houses beings much more powerful then Odin and abstract level.
SBP also has the power to alter time, continuity, newgods, skyfathers, superman, abstracts, and the entire DC megeaverse( though DC doesn't call it a megaverse) by punching.
SBP surpasses Odin in feats, not only is SBP stronger, faster, tougher, but he also has powers that far surpass any of Odins feats, o you want to bring up his one high feat of when he caused ripples in the marvel multiverse? SBP changed the entire DC megaverse by punching, he was responsible for Paralax, Superman Blue, etc. etc.
SBP 8/10 over Odin
Don't both the Phantom Zone and speed force have "access points" well if they do, you break down that "door/wall" and you get out. He alterned time? newgods? skyfathers? SAY WHAT?! He was the reason there was parallax?!?
my head hurts.
Originally posted by rotiart
Don't both the Phantom Zone and speed force have "access points" well if they do, you break down that "door/wall" and you get out. He alterned time? newgods? skyfathers? SAY WHAT?! He was the reason there was parallax?!?my head hurts.
I dont' know about all of that stuff. I do know that he shattered time and reality and cuased a bunch of stuff to happen that wasn't supposed to. I gotta do some digging to confirm the parallax thing. But I think i read somewhere on the dc boards that he was indirectly responsible.
Originally posted by rotiart
Don't both the Phantom Zone and speed force have "access points" well if they do, you break down that "door/wall" and you get out. He alterned time? newgods? skyfathers? SAY WHAT?! He was the reason there was parallax?!?my head hurts.
Dc stated that SBP was responsible for Superman Blue, Paralax, etc. etc. all their retconning basically and lose ends was explained to be all because of SBP, by simply punching on the source wall (and this was when SBP was in a depowered state, no yellow sun light)
P.S. another fun fact about SBP, he doesnt need yellow sun light to be powered up, but with yellow sun light he instantly (yes instantly he doesn't need to soak up) becomes strengthened.
P.S. yes he can sun dip but never has shown to...yet.
P.S.S. SBP is also immune to kryptonite, Magic, and Red sun light radiation, the only ONE pis time he was affected by red sun light radiation was in IC 7 when he flew through a red sun after soloing the entire GL corps and then killing PC Supes when he temporarily and instantly lost all his powers.
Originally posted by the Darkone
my head hurts too after reading all this bullsh**.Damn I need a advil.
Sucks when a character you don't like is so powerful doesn't. Well I feel the same way every time I turn around and someone on these boards makes like every single marvel cosmic is the shit and DC doesn't stand a chance. i bet I could make a Mr. Mxy vs Dr. Strange thread, and some people would argue tooth and nail for Dr. Strange.
Originally posted by Jesse7
O and Odin may be back, but point being is that he was KILLED by sutur and thats cannon undisputable, want to know what else is cannon? The Marvel/DC xover where WW (Diana) and two others defeated Surtur, this may mean nothing but if WW and two others>Surtur who>Odin, and SBP far surpasses WW, then yeah I think SBP completely curbstomps Odin here.Yes I know A>b>C>A isn't popular here but its not for the argument its to demonstrate that Odin going by whats shown in comics and not speculation, is much weaker then your hyping him to be.
A severly weakened Odin kicked Annihilus' beat with a gesture, who was beating up on Thor. Superman barely won against Thor and was bloodied unlike Annihilus.
Weak Odin gestures > Annihilius > Superman/Thor
Strong Odin shakes the multiverse against Seth, destroyed galaxies, ignited stars, and then killed said death god
Shakes universe against Infinity, a being casually crushed planets in it's hand
Nearly killed Hela by grabbing her hand, another death god
Revived the billions of people that died and consisted of Mangog with a gesture
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
A severly weakened Odin kicked Annihilus' beat with a gesture, who was beating up on Thor. Superman barely won against Thor and was bloodied unlike Annihilus.Weak Odin gestures > Annihilius > Superman/Thor
Strong Odin shakes the multiverse against Seth, destroyed galaxies, ignited stars, and then killed said death god
Shakes universe against Infinity, a being casually crushed planets in it's hand
Nearly killed Hela by grabbing her hand, another death god
Revived the billions of people that died and consisted of Mangog with a gesture
All of this is good. but it doesn't equate to him beating SBP.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
A severly weakened Odin kicked Annihilus' beat with a gesture, who was beating up on Thor. Superman barely won against Thor and was bloodied unlike Annihilus.Weak Odin gestures > Annihilius > Superman/Thor
Strong Odin shakes the multiverse against Seth, destroyed galaxies, ignited stars, and then killed said death god
Shakes universe against Infinity, a being casually crushed planets in it's hand
Nearly killed Hela by grabbing her hand, another death god
Revived the billions of people that died and consisted of Mangog with a gesture
A strong Odin also was killed by surtur, who Surtur was beaten by Wonderwoman and two others in a CANNON DC/Marvel Crossover, secondly Odins feat of shaking the multiverse, he DIDN'T cause mass changes as changing abstracts, new gods, Eternities, actually I dont even think it said shake, I think it was more like and the might of Odin's power sent ripples throughout all the multiverse, or that the energy combined might from there battle sent ripples outward, by the way this was when he was fighting (I don't know the name).
Your comparing Ripples with SBP (well in a depowered state) caused MASSIVE changes in all of DC by merely punching on the source wall?
SBP beats ODin straight out in Feats, SBP caused Superman Blue, Parallax, Etc. etc. as stated by DC.
You say Odin killed Seth, yet SBP fought and killed PRE-CRISIS superman, are you seriously comparing Seth with PC Supes? Need I find scans to post here of PC-Supes at MULTIVERSAL leve as in traveling countless universes at trillions of times the speed of light in under a second? Or destroying universes and realities by vibrating his molecules?
SBP also soloed the entire GL Corps, Hal and Alan included, he also soloed all of DC earth, as well as breaking out of the Speed force and Phantom Zone.
You mention Odin being able to touch death and infinity, yet SBP trumps this with the following examples.
The Speedforce does not have doors or enter or exit points, when a speedster enters the speedforce he is permanently trapped there and assimilated into the speed force, the only speedster to ever survive and return from the speed force is wally west. This is why the speedsters took SBp to the Speedforce to trap and destroy him, but SBP overcame and defeated a megaversal level power, the speedforce (as in broke out of it and returned stronger then ever), he also did this to the phantom zone which is a prison for beings of all the sort, including abstract level, skyfather, etc.
Originally posted by the Darkone
blink you out of existences does.When Thor became King Thor, he never knew how powerful the odin force was. He was skocked to find out that his father was so powerful with the Odin force he could have blinked Hela, Sutur,Ymir, Mangog out of exitences but he choosen not too.
Uh now your reaching here, your going to RKT for examples who was more powerful then Odin, and secondly going by feats, SBP beats RKT, why? Because SBP is immune to magic, want to know how RKT gestured Mangog away, it was likely by magic since thats what the Odin force is in essence.
And SBP has the power, speed, and durability to kill and retcon RKT, why? Because he was retconning all of DC with his punches in a depowered state as stated by DC.