SBP vs Odin

Originally posted by Jesse7
[B]To bad Quasar and Surfer are bad examples to compare SBP with, seeing AS SBP soloed DC earth, simulatanious speed blitzed multiple Flashes, soloed the Entire GL corps and killed Pre Crsis Superman.

Each in seperate fights. Flash has what on Odin? DC Earth? You make it sound as if he fought Phantom Stranger. None of those heroes are comparable to Odin. Soloed the Entire GL? Wow. I should be really impressed since skyfathers wouldn't be able to do that and faster. Your best GL's are few and they're around Annihilus, Thor, Surfer, or Bill level. And Odin beats these guys like tissue paper.

Lets add another notch onto his feat list, as for ODins galaxy crushing powers, SBP surpasses them in power, SBP overcame and broke out of the speed force, the speed force>>>>>>>Odin and Odin Force.

What makes you say the Speed Force is greater than the Odin Force? Did I miss a feat where Flash destroyed a galaxy using the Speed Force? SBP needs his sunny D is going to survive the guy that crashes galaxy under his own might.

Secondly SBP overcame and broke out of the Phantom Zone, the phantom zone>>>>>>Odin and the Odin force as well as the Phantom Zone houses beings much more powerful then Odin and abstract level.

Where did you get this? The Phatom Zone is greater than the Odin Force? Which being are you refering to that's greater than Odin?

SBP also has the power to alter time, continuity, newgods, skyfathers, superman, abstracts, and the entire DC megeaverse( though DC doesn't call it a megaverse) by punching.

So your trying to say that was his power? Why didn't he retcon the current Earth out of existence and replace it with Earth Prime using his power. Or retcon his need for yellow sun energy? He didn't even retcon Superboy during his fight.

SBP surpasses Odin in feats, not only is SBP stronger, faster, tougher, but he also has powers that far surpass any of Odins feats, o you want to bring up his one high feat of when he caused ripples in the marvel multiverse? SBP changed the entire DC megaverse by punching, he was responsible for Paralax, Superman Blue, etc. etc.

SBP 8/10 over Odin

Yeah and was that punch killing Superboy, Superman, or Superman (Kal-L) instantly? Was it K.O.ing them instantly? Nope.

DC needed a plot device to explain things in their continuity. SBP's punches still aren't that powerful multiverse, universal, or even galaxy in strength. And unlike SBP, Odin has destroyed galaxies in several of his fights. The guy fights head gods, demons, and hell lords all the time. That's mainly his enemy and peers.

Now SBP can beat Molecule Man, I can see it coming.

Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Each in seperate fights. Flash has what on Odin? DC Earth? You make it sound as if he fought Phantom Stranger. None of those heroes are comparable to Odin. Soloed the Entire GL? Wow. I should be really impressed since skyfathers wouldn't be able to do that and faster. Your best GL's are few and they're around Annihilus, Thor, Surfer, or Bill level. And Odin beats these guys like tissue paper.

What makes you say the Speed Force is greater than the Odin Force? Did I miss a feat where Flash destroyed a galaxy using the Speed Force? SBP needs his sunny D is going to survive the guy that crashes galaxy under his own might.

Where did you get this? The Phatom Zone is greater than the Odin Force? Which being are you refering to that's greater than Odin?

So your trying to say that was his power? Why didn't he retcon the current Earth out of existence and replace it with Earth Prime using his power. Or retcon his need for yellow sun energy? He didn't even retcon Superboy during his fight.

Yeah and was that punch killing Superboy, Superman, or Superman (Kal-L) instantly? Was it K.O.ing them instantly? Nope.

DC needed a plot device to explain things in their continuity. SBP's punches still aren't that powerful multiverse, universal, or even galaxy in strength. And unlike SBP, Odin has destroyed galaxies in several of his fights. The guy fights head gods, demons, and hell lords all the time. That's mainly his enemy and peers.

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Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Each in seperate fights. Flash has what on Odin? DC Earth? You make it sound as if he fought Phantom Stranger. None of those heroes are comparable to Odin. Soloed the Entire GL? Wow. I should be really impressed since skyfathers wouldn't be able to do that and faster. Your best GL's are few and they're around Annihilus, Thor, Surfer, or Bill level. And Odin beats these guys like tissue paper.

What makes you say the Speed Force is greater than the Odin Force? Did I miss a feat where Flash destroyed a galaxy using the Speed Force? SBP needs his sunny D is going to survive the guy that crashes galaxy under his own might.

Where did you get this? The Phatom Zone is greater than the Odin Force? Which being are you refering to that's greater than Odin?

So your trying to say that was his power? Why didn't he retcon the current Earth out of existence and replace it with Earth Prime using his power. Or retcon his need for yellow sun energy? He didn't even retcon Superboy during his fight.

Yeah and was that punch killing Superboy, Superman, or Superman (Kal-L) instantly? Was it K.O.ing them instantly? Nope.

DC needed a plot device to explain things in their continuity. SBP's punches still aren't that powerful multiverse, universal, or even galaxy in strength. And unlike SBP, Odin has destroyed galaxies in several of his fights. The guy fights head gods, demons, and hell lords all the time. That's mainly his enemy and peers.

It seems like neither one of us is going to convince the other, so I'm not going to argue at the momment, you honestly think the Odin force is equal or greater to the speed force? Regardless of answer that is your thought, but anyway lets end this on a friendly note and agree to disagree 😄

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Originally posted by Jesse7
It seems like neither one of us is going to convince the other, so I'm not going to argue at the momment, you honestly think the Odin force is equal or greater to the speed force? Regardless of answer that is your thought, but anyway lets end this on a friendly note and agree to disagree 😄

Agreed.
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I hope ur kidding right? First off, SBP was beating the shit out of BOTH superman. Precrisis and POst crisis. And then he lost his powers. He was nothign then but a teenage boy fighting two grown men. please don't act like they were all fully powered at the end of that fight. None of them had thier powers. that is one reason why Superman had to leave the jla for a year. he had no powers. Hence "52". A world without superman, batman and wonder woman.

SBP wasn't beating the shit out of pre-crisis superman. He was beating the shit out of post-crisis and earth-2 superman. The old superman doesn't have PC power levels. PC superman is the current superman but w/o the god-powers b/c of john bryne's depowering after the crisis.

But with that said, SBP would indeed ram a couple planets down odin's throat. Odin's magic won't affect SBP to any great extent. To him it'd be like getting hit with any old energy blast/lighting bolt...etc Odin can't generate the power levels needed to hurt someone with a PC power set. That leaves odin with hand to hand. He's defintely the better fighter, but that matters very little with you fight someone who has FTL speed and tosses planets. Odin loses, but not without a good fight.

Originally posted by cheap cabbage
SBP wasn't beating the shit out of pre-crisis superman. He was beating the shit out of post-crisis and earth-2 superman. The old superman doesn't have PC power levels. PC superman is the current superman but w/o the god-powers b/c of john bryne's depowering after the crisis.

Originally posted by Juntai
Current Supes is pretty much back to that phase already. I take it you don't read a lot of Supes? At times, he's up with Pre-Crisis' big feats.

I've been trying to keep up, but I haven't read much supes after IC. I know he's got that new brain thing now the got his powers back. But as far as ridiculous feats, the only thing in the "planet tossing" catagory is him moving warworld and he was sundipped at the time. He beat the pisss out of current darkseid, but PC supes could do that with his tongue. I saw the holding a black hole thing, but that's just weird. Current supes is definetly greatly powered up from the 90s, but he isn't tossing planets casually. Current supes still has to exert lots of effort for his feats today.

Originally posted by cheap cabbage
I've been trying to keep up, but I haven't read much supes after IC. I know he's got that new brain thing now the got his powers back. But as far as ridiculous feats, the only thing in the "planet tossing" catagory is him moving warworld and he was sundipped at the time. He beat the pisss out of current darkseid, but PC supes could do that with his tongue. I saw the holding a black hole thing, but that's just weird. Current supes is definetly greatly powered up from the 90s, but he isn't tossing planets casually. Current supes still has to exert lots of effort for his feats today.

Superman can never defeat Darksied. He has only defeated avatars. And the true Darksied would be like a Giant to Superman. More than a Giant if they can hold the world in the palm of thier hands.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superman can never defeat Darksied. He has only defeated avatars. And the true Darksied would be like a Giant to Superman. More than a Giant if they can hold the world in the palm of thier hands.

I'll conced that superman has probably never actually faced DS, but as far as I know DS (avatar or not) is still stuck in the source wall. So until the "real" darkseid shows up, we must assume that superman did indeed beat the piss out of darkseid. While the fight shouldn't have been won so easily, i don't think it's impossible for supes to take down darkseid (at least h2h). if darkseid went all out with his omega beams, then supes is gone. But going punch for punch with a pissed off superman (next to the sun), is just asking for an asswhooping.

Originally posted by cheap cabbage
I'll conced that superman has probably never actually faced DS, but as far as I know DS (avatar or not) is still stuck in the source wall. So until the "real" darkseid shows up, we must assume that superman did indeed beat the piss out of darkseid. While the fight shouldn't have been won so easily, i don't think it's impossible for supes to take down darkseid (at least h2h). if darkseid went all out with his omega beams, then supes is gone. But going punch for punch with a pissed off superman (next to the sun), is just asking for an asswhooping.

If we go by feats, Darksied would still be stronger than Superman. Becuz there is no such thing as pre and post crisis Darksied. And Pre crisis Superman was beaten so many times by Darksied. Post crisis Supers has nothing on Pre crisis Supers. So Darksied would dreme supers. Plus Darksied is stronger than Orion and Orion is stronger than Superman. And Superman can extert all of his stored solar energy when he fights hard. Orion and Darksied have been known to battle of weeks on end without tiring.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
If we go by feats, Darksied would still be stronger than Superman. Becuz there is no such thing as pre and post crisis Darksied. And Pre crisis Superman was beaten so many times by Darksied. Post crisis Supers has nothing on Pre crisis Supers. So Darksied would dreme supers. Plus Darksied is stronger than Orion and Orion is stronger than Superman. And Superman can extert all of his stored solar energy when he fights hard. Orion and Darksied have been known to battle of weeks on end without tiring.

Post crisis darkseid has to exist on some level. If anything, his powers had to have decreased. PC Darksied is basically galactus (kirby said so himself). Imperix is also basically galatus. But darkseid was genuinly in fear of him and had to work together with earth to get rid of him. Logically, it means current darkseid is indeed weaker. Otherwise DS would have simply walked up to imperix and decked him in the face.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Odin doesn't have the physical strength to Beat SBP. Magic doesn't work. He pretty much looses.

Originally posted by cheap cabbage
Post crisis darkseid has to exist on some level. If anything, his powers had to have decreased. PC Darksied is basically galactus (kirby said so himself). Imperix is also basically galatus. But darkseid was genuinly in fear of him and had to work together with earth to get rid of him. Logically, it means current darkseid is indeed weaker. Otherwise DS would have simply walked up to imperix and decked him in the face.

Many of DC's writers don't even know the history of the New Gods. They just right what they think they know. They dont' even know that if any new God were to show up in the mortal plane without a boom tube, they would cuase havok in that reality and be so big that they would be destroying things simply by being there.

Close fight but I say SBP takes it.

Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
Close fight but I say SBP takes it.

odin.

doesn't matter whether or not sbp has a 'vulnerability' to magic. lacking a specific weakness does not mean he is INVULNERABLE to it. he would still feel whatever odin did to him just like anyone else would, he just wouldn't be affected in any 'special' way. (and don't tell me it would 'tickle' sbp. cerce made BA her little ***** and cerce<<zeus with whom odin is at LEAST on par with). odin would not NEED sbp to be affected in a 'special way' by his power. for goodness sake, odin has the power to destroy GALAXIES.

and i have no idea why people keep saying sbp is stronger than odin. ONLY IF ODIN ALLOWED HIM TO BE. the odinforce could EASILY be used to amp his strength to basically whatever level odin wanted. odin's personal strength seemed at least a match for thanos's whose own strength seemed a match for wm thor WITH the power-gem! that puts them both at somewhere ABOVE 10x thor's strength!

of course, odin could just as easily use tp (after all, j'onnz was able to read his thoughts so he seems to be at least somewhat susceptible to tp assaults) or simply attack sbp astrally. and what good is 'planet-throwing' when all odin needs to do is teleport out of the way of whatever 'planet' is coming his way?

just because someone is a team wrecker, does NOT equate them to odin. i've never even read a compelling argument for sbp beating surfer, (and that was a LONG thread) let alone odin. and odin has one-shotted drax, thor and surfer. odin could instantly probe sbp's mind, find the red sun weakness, and create red solar radiation. then all he needs to do is port around, create shields until sbp is weakened then he's easy pickins. if he really wanted, and the threat was truly warranted, he could bring them both to asgard, gather the life-force of the other gods and amp his power even more.

sorry folks, it's gonna take more than someone who is really fast and really strong to beat odin. he's simply too versatile and too powerful.

Originally posted by leonidas
for goodness sake, odin has the power to destroy GALAXIES.

Does he really ?, because I think that is an enormous exhageration of his power. I doubt he even has the power to take out a Star.

Originally posted by leonidas
and i have no idea why people keep saying sbp is stronger than odin. ONLY IF ODIN ALLOWED HIM TO BE. the odinforce could EASILY be used to amp his strength to basically whatever level odin wanted. odin's personal strength seemed at least a match for thanos's whose own strength seemed a match for wm thor WITH the power-gem! that puts them both at somewhere ABOVE 10x thor's strength!

I don't think this is the case either, I mean he's been shown to be inferior to other physical threats, i.e. Mangog and the Dark Gods. Both of which dont have Infinite strength.

Dont get me wrong I know that SBP looses, but you are exhagerating Odins power leo. Its not like you to do so. 🙂

nice argument leo