Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Does he really ?, because I think that is an enormous exhageration of his power. I doubt he even has the power to take out a Star.I don't think this is the case either, I mean he's been shown to be inferior to other physical threats, i.e. Mangog and the Dark Gods. Both of which dont have Infinite strength.
Dont get me wrong I know that SBP looses, but you are exhagerating Odins power leo. Its not like you to do so. 🙂
He was able to greater thanos in stregth...thanos was able to exchange blows with with warrior maddness thor. Why wouldent Odin be above WM thor's strength?
Originally posted by Priest
He was able to greater thanos in stregth...thanos was able to exchange blows with with warrior maddness thor. Why wouldent Odin be above WM thor's strength?
I think he is above Warrior Madness Thor strength, but that also IS NOT Infinite. IMO its just Thor not holding back, but thats debatable.
Did Odin outpunch Thanos? I don't remember seeing that in the Thanos respect thread. All I saw was Odin and Thanos blasting at each other and I don't believe that to be an accurate description of Odin's strength. However they may have gone at it hand to hand. If anyone has the scans please post them, I am curious.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Does he really ?, because I think that is an enormous exhageration of his power. I doubt he even has the power to take out a Star.I don't think this is the case either, I mean he's been shown to be inferior to other physical threats, i.e. Mangog and the Dark Gods. Both of which dont have Infinite strength.
Dont get me wrong I know that SBP looses, but you are exhagerating Odins power leo. Its not like you to do so. 🙂
Agreed. Hyperbole on BOTH ends of the debate.
Plus it's silly to say that SBP has no case vs Surfer. A guy that can physically move planets across the universe so fast that the populations don't even notice the shift and punches out of dimensions easily is much closer in match to Odin than to SS.
Hyperbole aside, I'm leaning more towards Odin.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Agreed. Hyperbole on BOTH ends of the debate.Plus it's silly to say that SBP has no case vs Surfer. A guy that can physically move planets across the universe so fast that the populations don't even notice the shift and punches out of dimensions easily is much closer in match to Odin than to SS.
Hyperbole aside, I'm leaning more towards Odin.
If Odin can beat the entire DCU earth and the GL corps, then I'll side with Odin. at this point, odin's most powerful weapon, his magic, is useless against SBP. SO i have to go with SBP with this one.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Does he really ?, because I think that is an enormous exhageration of his power. I doubt he even has the power to take out a Star.I don't think this is the case either, I mean he's been shown to be inferior to other physical threats, i.e. Mangog and the Dark Gods. Both of which dont have Infinite strength.
Dont get me wrong I know that SBP looses, but you are exhagerating Odins power leo. Its not like you to do so. 🙂
you know me better than to exaggerate, mon ami. 😉
in the surtur/twilight arc, surtur himself destroyed a galaxy -- and yes, that was BEFORE he forged twilight. (yes scan's available, but i really don't feel like finding it. hopefully most will believe me . . .) later in a succeeding arc, odin actually proved capable of absorbing surtur's life-force.
odin>surtur
if odin can shake the multiverse with his power (vs seth) why wouldn't he have power to destroy a galaxy? even thor's hammer, which is powered by a fraction of the odinpower, has proven capable of absorbing the power of a celestial galaxy-destroying bomb.
the mangog arc you're referencing was a very old one. when mangog first appeared he WAS a skyfather level being with the combined power of BILLIONS of beings. beyond that, he was capable of continually amping his power by drawing on HATE as a source, much like odin could amp his own power. eventually, odin figured it out and simply made it impossible for mangog to continually amp himself. at that point odin demolished him. current versions of mangog DO NOT have him at his first-appearance levels.
as far as the dark gods -- zelia is ALSO a skyfather-level being (and, more importantly, an energy siphon) and the dark gods attacked and surprised the asgardians. not too hard to see why they could overcome asgard and odin for a short time. later, though (after odin regained the power they stole from him) odin again showed his superiority by defeating them.
and yahman, i never said anything about odin amping to infinity. i implied (based on his strength showing against thanos) that he should be pretty easily able to amp to prime's level if he chose. 🙂
when odin was first introduced, marvel made it pretty clear that he and galactus were the toughest kids on the block. in the new 'cosmic/over-powering' era of marvel, odin's power (and feats) often gets overlooked. he showed VERY poorly against the celestials, true, but he has many feats that stand as testament to how powerful he really is.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Agreed. Hyperbole on BOTH ends of the debate.Plus it's silly to say that SBP has no case vs Surfer. A guy that can physically move planets across the universe so fast that the populations don't even notice the shift and punches out of dimensions easily is much closer in match to Odin than to SS.
Hyperbole aside, I'm leaning more towards Odin.
I got the general Impression that Alex could have always beaten SBP, if he had wanted to. From feats shown from the Original Crisis, I see Surfer on the same level as Alex. But these guys are on power levels that Rival Type 2 civilisations (I.e. they can probably ignite stars / Destroy them when pushing themselves to the limits.) They aren't howver on Galactic destroying levels, unless they where destroying one star at a time. When you consider that King Thor fainted after remaking the Moon, suggesting that Odin has Galaxy destroying power is absurd (No offense Leo). Just consider how small the moon is compared to a galaxy. Its like an Atom to a Mountain in comparisson.
Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Agreed. Hyperbole on BOTH ends of the debate.Plus it's silly to say that SBP has no case vs Surfer. A guy that can physically move planets across the universe so fast that the populations don't even notice the shift and punches out of dimensions easily is much closer in match to Odin than to SS.
Hyperbole aside, I'm leaning more towards Odin.
hmm, i don't know about that av. there's no proof sbp is faster than ss, and what would keep ss from either messing with prime genetically, or simply using red solar rays from beating him? ss could just phase and attack with a tp version of a power cosmic blast -- he HAS done that before, successfully, against a very powerful race of psionic beings.
sbp appears to me to be the ultimate brick. strength unmatched at top tier, speed close to unmatched, invulnerability close to unmatched. basically, no one will outslug him, but beings with very high degrees of versatility AND power should be able to find ways to beat him.
ss would likely be the only top-tier hero i'd say who can beat prime, (and no, i am NOT saying ss would win 10/10, just that he is CAPABLE of beating prime based on his power-set) but i would like to have seen jonnz go fernus on his ass. 😉
we'll know more as prime appears more, but i wonder if in his next appearances he'll be shown to be very far superior to superman?
Originally posted by leonidas
odin.doesn't matter whether or not sbp has a 'vulnerability' to magic. lacking a specific weakness does not mean he is INVULNERABLE to it. he would still feel whatever odin did to him just like anyone else would, he just wouldn't be affected in any 'special' way. (and don't tell me it would 'tickle' sbp. cerce made BA her little ***** and cerce<<zeus with whom odin is at LEAST on par with). odin would not NEED sbp to be affected in a 'special way' by his power. for goodness sake, odin has the power to destroy GALAXIES.
and i have no idea why people keep saying sbp is stronger than odin. ONLY IF ODIN ALLOWED HIM TO BE. the odinforce could EASILY be used to amp his strength to basically whatever level odin wanted. odin's personal strength seemed at least a match for thanos's whose own strength seemed a match for wm thor WITH the power-gem! that puts them both at somewhere ABOVE 10x thor's strength!
of course, odin could just as easily use tp (after all, j'onnz was able to read his thoughts so he seems to be at least somewhat susceptible to tp assaults) or simply attack sbp astrally. and what good is 'planet-throwing' when all odin needs to do is teleport out of the way of whatever 'planet' is coming his way?
just because someone is a team wrecker, does NOT equate them to odin. i've never even read a compelling argument for sbp beating surfer, (and that was a LONG thread) let alone odin. and odin has one-shotted drax, thor and surfer. odin could instantly probe sbp's mind, find the red sun weakness, and create red solar radiation. then all he needs to do is port around, create shields until sbp is weakened then he's easy pickins. if he really wanted, and the threat was truly warranted, he could bring them both to asgard, gather the life-force of the other gods and amp his power even more.
sorry folks, it's gonna take more than someone who is really fast and really strong to beat odin. he's simply too versatile and too powerful.
This has got to be the most well informed post in this thread by far!
SBP takes Black Adams charged punches to the face with no damage, and now he's immune to the magical might of Odin?!
GTFOH!
That has to be the worst equation i've ever seen!
There is no comparison between the magic fists of BA and Odin. None whatsoever.
That would be like me saying, that since DD took Bloodwynd's blows to no effect, that Superman shouldn't have been able to hurt him.
Even though we know that Superman is consistently the strongest leaguer and there's no comparison between his power and Bloodwynds.
Or the same stupid argument that DD can't be killed by energy blasts, since the Radiant killed him with one long ago.
But that didn't stop Imperiex from wasting his ass with one.
What a bad argument to stand on.
And for the record, Odin has destroyed galaxies twice.
Once in the sixties or seventies iirc, and then most recently, in the 80's. When the silver age was over. My timing may be a bit off here, so bear with me.
Some people said SBP had skyfather level feats?? Where?
When he moved planets with ease?? Impressive, but brute only.
When he moved fast enough to blitz the Flash's in a whirl?? Again, impressive, but a brute showing.
Brute showings mean nothing, when Odin has beings in his pantheon that could take on sbp and have a good chance at victory, albeit, when fighting together.
I refer to BRB and Thor.
Only on the internet could being really strong and fast make you skyfather level.
And yeah, i do think Odin could waste a vast amount of gl fodder, as they were used in IC.
Cosmic handninjas in their finest hour huh??
Odin takes this. Skyfather level my ass.
There's an anti-dc bias here at times?? With arguments like the ones above, can you blame people??
And the same goes for those who post blindly in Marvel's favor without knowing the DC character.
Superboy prime does not have a weakness to magic. It's in his bio. He stated it as well. Him laughing off BA was not about BA's magic. It was about his invulnerability. If SBP was able to be stopped with magic, Fate or zatanna or the phantom stranger would have done it. He was killing the heroes of DC earth and maiming people and such. Magic won't get a win against sbp.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superboy prime does not have a weakness to magic. It's in his bio. He stated it as well. Him laughing off BA was not about BA's magic. It was about his invulnerability. If SBP was able to be stopped with magic, Fate or zatanna or the phantom stranger would have done it. He was killing the heroes of DC earth and maiming people and such. Magic won't get a win against sbp.
grasping for straws 😉
Originally posted by leonidas
you know me better than to exaggerate, mon ami. 😉in the surtur/twilight arc, surtur himself destroyed a galaxy -- and yes, that was BEFORE he forged twilight. (yes scan's available, but i really don't feel like finding it. hopefully most will believe me . . .) later in a succeeding arc, odin actually proved capable of absorbing surtur's life-force.
odin>surtur
Thats a pretty old Comic as well Leo, but are you sure Sutur did it in one go, or did he do it in Majin Buu Esq fashion I.e. One Star at a time. The Disassembled version of Sutur didn't seem nearly as powerful and was killed by just normal Gods at Ragnarok (As most of the big players had been removed),
Originally posted by leonidas
if odin can shake the multi verse with his power (vs seth) why wouldn't he have power to destroy a galaxy? even thor's hammer, which is powered by a fraction of the odinpower, has proven capable of absorbing the power of a celestial galaxy-destroying bomb.
Leo mate, i think you and I always see scans and in different lights. For example i saw that scan for 1st time the otrher day, and i was very Cynical about. Its just my nature as I'm a bit of a miserable Bastard. To be fare I can see how many could interpret it, as a multi verse shaking energy blast, but I'm not entirely convinced that was the writers intentions. (B.T.W. I'm not just saying this too win the argument, as I myself am not sure) I think the Author makes reference to it being reality Warping blast or something (Ill check it up). I think he meant that the fight was so powerful it was effecting earths dimension's as Asgard. I could be wrong though. And lets not forget Superman absorbing the Galaxy destroying power of Mahgeddon. Now i dont think Supes nearly has that power normally, but it did happen. I think its quite appropriate in this context.
Originally posted by leonidas
and yahman, i never said anything about odin amping to infinity. i implied (based on his strength showing against thanos) that he should be pretty easily able to amp to prime's level if he chose. 🙂]
I totally agree 🙂
His energy source is far greater than that of Primes, and his physiology is just as adaptable. Odin, Thanos, Surfer and even Hal should all be stronger than Prime with bit of Determination, Will power and DBZ style power ups ....... 'AARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHH' 🙂
Originally posted by leonidas
[B]when odin was first introduced, marvel made it pretty clear that he and galactus were the toughest kids on the block. in the new 'cosmic/over-powering' era of marvel, odin's power (and feats) often gets overlooked. he showed VERY poorly against the celestials, true, but he has many feats that stand as testament to how powerful he really is.
I totally agree, the same applied to Darksied when he was introduced. But things have changed and the Hierarchy of power is different. And although there have been no official power downs, Odin is no longer depicted as powerful as he once was. The problem is they are both the same character, so what is the power level of the real Odin. I'm taking things from a modern perspective, but just as valid to look at things the way they where. 😄
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Superboy prime does not have a weakness to magic. It's in his bio. He stated it as well. Him laughing off BA was not about BA's magic. It was about his invulnerability. If SBP was able to be stopped with magic, Fate or zatanna or the phantom stranger would have done it. He was killing the heroes of DC earth and maiming people and such. Magic won't get a win against sbp.
What you don't seem to understand, is that even if he isn't weak to magic, that doesn't make him immune to it.
I will never understand how one can say someone's immune to magic.
Magic doesn't play by the rules, and by saying something is absolute, as in no weakness to magic, you are making a rule.
Which magic excells in breaking.
Magic is called magic, because you can't set a definition by it.
If the DCU in its barebones was created by magic, then Superboy or anybody else who's immune existing in it, should be impossible, since they are immune to it.
Like the unstoppable force, and the immoveable object can't really exist at the same time.
It breaks reality.
And if you read DOV, you'd know why no uber magicians stepped in.
When Spectre went crazy, he warped magic. He can't destroy it, but he did warp it into something different.
So them being able to help, isn't likely.
Since they'd have to get used to the new form of magic before they'd be of any use.
The fact that DC went out of its way, to remove all magical might from the equation, should tell you how magic is top dog over there, and with it in the picture, IC wouldn't have gotten off the ground.
Immune to magic my ass. Again.