Originally posted by UniOmni
Nah.
It helps if Odin is the strongest skyfather in either company, with only Izaya and Uxas coming close to match.Darkseid would own sbp too, imo.
True Darksied would creme SBP. And Odin would loose his life very easily to Darksied. He certainly isn't the strongest Sky father of either company. Zeus from DC would easily match odin as well.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Odin would lose to Darkseid.
But its not cause he's less powerful.
Darkseid has a one hit kill that would take Odin.
But his feats outweigh Darkseid's, imo.
Not when you take into consideration that every thing darksied in precrisis, is still darksied. There is no such thing as pre and post crisi darksied. every loss darksied has suffered, was retconned into an avatar. also take into consideration that Darksied's true form is millions of times more powerful than the boom tubed version of himself.
Darkseid in his true form is a big bastard.
Thats nothing new.
But he still isn't more powerful than Odin, in that form.
Unless you think he'd punch Odin with those planet crushing hands?
All it would take, is another potent, galaxy busting shot.
And Darky would be dust, unless he uses the OE to shunt it somewhere.
PC Darkseid, was akin to Galactus.
But Odin, was always a rival in power to Galactus, until the fleshing out of Galan happened.
Now, he's way beyond both Darky and Odin.
GDS Darkseid, is probably the highest setting Darkseid has ever operated under.
And Odin still has comparable feats, and some better than that.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Darkseid in his true form is a big bastard.
Thats nothing new.
But he still isn't more powerful than Odin, in that form.
Unless you think he'd punch Odin with those planet crushing hands?All it would take, is another potent, galaxy busting shot.
And Darky would be dust, unless he uses the OE to shunt it somewhere.PC Darkseid, was akin to Galactus.
But Odin, was always a rival in power to Galactus, until the fleshing out of Galan happened.Now, he's way beyond both Darky and Odin.
GDS Darkseid, is probably the highest setting Darkseid has ever operated under.
And Odin still has comparable feats, and some better than that.
What is all this talk about SBP being immune to magic? I personally have so specific vulnerability to magic, but that hardly makes me immune. 😂 SBP's lack of a magic vulnerablity just means that Thor's magical lightnig wouldn't affect him any more than regular lightnig. That doesn't mean he is immune, it just means that magic doesn't cut through his defenses, the way it does standerd Supes. And seeing as how PC Supergirl was able to tear the Anti Moniters armor up with brute strength, I don't think Odin should have that much problem doing the same thing with SBP's armor(or SBP either for that matter). I see SBP impaled on Odins spear at the end of this battle barring a plot device on SBP's favor.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
By the very nature of Darksied, he is more than Odin. Darksied is from a pantheon of beings who came before any of the pantheons that now exist. The very least of the New gods in true form, is more powerful than the mightiest of the sky fathers.
Explain.
Cuz The New Gods are the way they are, due to their close proximity to the Source.
And are in some ways, the little brothers/sisters to the Promethian Giants.
And Darkseid and Odin's timelines can't be compared.
Since Odin predates him by a decade or so.
That may stand on DC's Odin, but not Marvels.
And Whirly, what feats does Takion have that make him superior in your eyes??
Cuz i can see that potential wise, he blows by him and Darky. But not going by shown feats.
And I gotta say, that as long as Darkseid has the one hit kill that is the OE, he owns the heroes.
Except Superman, who takes the blast like supersoaker water.
Originally posted by UniOmni
Explain.
Cuz The New Gods are the way they are, due to their close proximity to the Source.
And are in some ways, the little brothers/sisters to the Promethian Giants.And Darkseid and Odin's timelines can't be compared.
Since Odin predates him by a decade or so.
That may stand on DC's Odin, but not Marvels.And Whirly, what feats does Takion have that make him superior in your eyes??
Cuz i can see that potential wise, he blows by him and Darky. But not going by shown feats.
Darksied and Galactus has the same creator. Darksied was made to be the equal of galactus. Odin is not Galactus's equal. If we are going by the very fact that all of darksied's defeats are reconned into avatars, and that pre crisi darksied is the same as today, then Darksied wins hands down.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Darksied and Galactus has the same creator. Darksied was made to be the equal of galactus. Odin is not Galactus's equal. If we are going by the very fact that all of darksied's defeats are reconned into avatars, and that pre crisi darksied is the same as today, then Darksied wins hands down.
True.
BUT, Galactus has risen in status and universal importance, while Darkseid has stagnated, if not fallen.
And when Kirby wrote both Galactus and Odin, they were consistently being compared to the other in power.
He saw them as peers.
But they aren't today, and neither are Darkseid and Galactus.
Odin has feats that are comparable to PC Darkseids.
And some that surpass his. And vice versa.
Originally posted by UniOmniAnd Whirly, what feats does Takion have that make him superior in your eyes??
Cuz i can see that potential wise, he blows by him and Darky. But not going by shown feats.And I gotta say, that as long as Darkseid has the one hit kill that is the OE, he owns the heroes.
Except Superman, who takes the blast like supersoaker water.
Not much but hes basically the Sources representative.
Whirly ??????
He's dead mate. 🙁
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
Darksied and Galactus has the same creator. Darksied was made to be the equal of galactus. Odin is not Galactus's equal. If we are going by the very fact that all of darksied's defeats are reconned into avatars, and that pre crisi darksied is the same as today, then Darksied wins hands down.
Originally posted by R.O.T. Yahman
Thats a pretty old Comic as well Leo, but are you sure Sutur did it in one go, or did he do it in Majin Buu Esq fashion I.e. One Star at a time. The Disassembled version of Sutur didn't seem nearly as powerful and was killed by just normal Gods at Ragnarok (As most of the big players had been removed),
one star at a time? 😑 mate, that would take, like . . . a long time . . .
at the start of the arc (337, i think?) surtur's seen shaping the sword twilight in the heart of a destroyed galaxy. odin later confirms that surtur destroyed that galaxy to create the sword.
Leo mate, i think you and I always see scans and in different lights. For example i saw that scan for 1st time the otrher day, and i was very Cynical about. Its just my nature as I'm a bit of a miserable Bastard. To be fare I can see how many could interpret it, as a multi verse shaking energy blast, but I'm not entirely convinced that was the writers intentions. (B.T.W. I'm not just saying this too win the argument, as I myself am not sure) I think the Author makes reference to it being reality Warping blast or something (Ill check it up). I think he meant that the fight was so powerful it was effecting earths dimension's as Asgard. I could be wrong though. And lets not forget Superman absorbing the Galaxy destroying power of Mahgeddon. Now i dont think Supes nearly has that power normally, but it did happen. I think its quite appropriate in this context.
i agree that it could be seen differently. in marvel the definition of a multiverse isn't even 100% certain. despite HOW you see it, the fact is his power was VERY far-reaching, and i think you'll at least agree with that sentiment. 🙂
I totally agree 🙂
His energy source is far greater than that of Primes, and his physiology is just as adaptable. Odin, Thanos, Surfer and even Hal should all be stronger than Prime with bit of Determination, Will power and DBZ style power ups ....... 'AARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHH' 🙂
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agreed. i was gonna say a strong gl should be able to deal with prime as well, but he did a pretty good number on a portion of the corps. doomsday did something similar though, i believe. i think if kyle fought prime 1on1 in kyle's book, it would be a pretty damn spectacular battle.
I totally agree, the same applied to Darksied when he was introduced. But things have changed and the Hierarchy of power is different. And although there have been no official power downs, Odin is no longer depicted as powerful as he once was. The problem is they are both the same character, so what is the power level of the real Odin. I'm taking things from a modern perspective, but just as valid to look at things the way they where. 😄
cool. i appreciate your ability to take a look at this from an alternate viewpoint. 🙂 odin HAS had some questionable showings. prime's showing vs connor wasn't particularly stellar either. both sides can scream pis in their respective issues.
we may disagree slightly on the minutiae, but at least we can agree on the big picture: odin beats prime.
😄
Originally posted by Jesse7thanos would beat sbp by out smarting him drakseid would too and so will odin.
SBP takes this here, with Retcon punch, immunity to magic, kryptonite and red sun radiation (which contradicts why he was effected by it in ic 7), he has no weaknesses and is able to break dimensions as well as free himself from the speed force.He also is able to speed blitz multiple speedsters/flashes smilutaniously, He was dragging around planets like toys, SBP takes this match.
SBP also soloed the entire GL corps simulataniously as well as breaking through the combined will power/constructs of the entire GL at once.
SBP 8/10
Originally posted by the Darkone\
blink you out of existences does.When Thor became King Thor, he never knew how powerful the odin force was. He was skocked to find out that his father was so powerful with the Odin force he could have blinked Hela, Sutur,Ymir, Mangog out of exitences but he choosen not too.
hahahaahahhahahahahahahahahaahhahaha so young
Originally posted by UniOmni
True.
BUT, Galactus has risen in status and universal importance, while Darkseid has stagnated, if not fallen.
And when Kirby wrote both Galactus and Odin, they were consistently being compared to the other in power.
He saw them as peers.
But they aren't today, and neither are Darkseid and Galactus.Odin has feats that are comparable to PC Darkseids.
And some that surpass his. And vice versa.
Galactus has not risen above Darkseid in universal importance...as a matter of fact...they are still pretty equal.
