Originally posted by Darth Sexy
Uh Sidious would be able to use the force? How about you're full of shit? Luke had to create a special force technique designed for a different level of the force, and the Jedi had to obtain Vong Sense to use the force on the Vong, so what in the blue hell makes you think Sidious can randomly use the force? Oh yea he can't.Omg because he has the title of DLOTS he automatically wins! As the elders on this forum say, I will take bullshit for $500, Alex.
Lets forget that the Vong killed over 365 trillion people. conquered countless worlds, took over Coruscant, all the while the JEdi were powerless to stop them. You seem to completely fail to comprehend the simple fact that the Vong are not of the galaxy, and are on another level of the force. Now logic states that the Jedi wouldn't know how to fight against them, neither will the sith..
Kyp was second to Luke even when Exar Kun inhabited his body, he is superior to Anakin, get that through your skull.
K, first off, Just because he can't use the Force on the YV dosen't mean he cant use the Force on "trees". Dumb@$$.
(God, what a F*ckin retard.)
"Omg because he has the title of DLOTS he automatically wins! As the elders on this forum say, I will take bullshit for $500, Alex."
Yeah, being the Dark Lord of the Sith does automaticly give him the win.
Confused? Watch Episode 3...
By the way, you should take some bullshit, 'cause its all you seem to have going for you.
Secondly, oh yeah, thats right, the Vong did kill trillions of people.
Wait a minuite...they had an army of warriors thousands strong.
Hmm, creatures that could manipulate gravity...
That means with their numbers they were invincible, but not in solitary groups. bangin
Also, you have to remember that by NJO, Pretty much all of the Jedi were actaully what you could call "Half Ass Jedi", since they were trained like they were in a self-defense class for elementary kids.
I read the Jedi Search and Young Jedi Knights books.
Luke's training methods were wise and pacifistic, but as far as Martial skills and combat training went, it was laughable, even pathetic.
I mean, most Jedi in his Order barely knew half the Force powers that the Jedi of the PT did.
And don't even get me started on lightsaber skills...
Most Jedi basicly utilised an aggressive and flashy form of Ataru that came in three varients or so. If they diden't use that, they basicly swung their lightsaber around like a blind-folded kid at a piniata.
Which, during the NJO's last book, The Unifying Force, is how Kyp Durron fought when he took on those four YV.
So anyway, Yeah, Luke's Jedi because of their numbers and questionable skill, did horrible against the YV most of the time.
But I think if the YV had attacked the galaxy just before the Blockade of Naboo, It would have been a slightly different story.
And, if the old Sith Empire had been around to fight the YV, that would have been very interesting Indeed. Dare I say, it would have been possible that they would have WTF Pwned the Vong?
Lastly, Yes, Kyp would get raped by Anakin.
Kyp was a little meek boy who grew into an overly agressive man.
He became impressive AFTER NJO, but, during the NJO, Anakin(As in E3)
Would have beat the unliving crap out of him.
I mean, he would've had a new mop for his apartment with Padme.
He woulden't need a cleaning droid or anything. He could just reach into his closet and pull out a blackened and beaten Kyp Durron, stick his head in a bucket, and go.
And for that matter, he could probally use some of your bullshit to fertilize Padme's balcony garden. 😎
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
K, first off, Just because he can't use the Force on the YV dosen't mean he cant use the Force on "trees". Dumb@$$.
(God, what a F*ckin retard.)"Omg because he has the title of DLOTS he automatically wins! As the elders on this forum say, I will take bullshit for $500, Alex."
Yeah, being the Dark Lord of the Sith does automaticly give him the win.
Confused? Watch Episode 3...
By the way, you should take some bullshit, 'cause its all you seem to have going for you.Secondly, oh yeah, thats right, the Vong did kill trillions of people.
Wait a minuite...they had an army of warriors thousands strong.
Hmm, creatures that could manipulate gravity...
That means with their numbers they were invincible, but not in solitary groups. bangin
Also, you have to remember that by NJO, Pretty much all of the Jedi were actaully what you could call "Half Ass Jedi", since they were trained like they were in a self-defense class for elementary kids.
I read the Jedi Search and Young Jedi Knights books.
Luke's training methods were wise and pacifistic, but as far as Martial skills and combat training went, it was laughable, even pathetic.
I mean, most Jedi in his Order barely knew half the Force powers that the Jedi of the PT did.
And don't even get me started on lightsaber skills...
Most Jedi basicly utilised an aggressive and flashy form of Ataru that came in three varients or so. If they diden't use that, they basicly swung their lightsaber around like a blind-folded kid at a piniata.
Which, during the NJO's last book, The Unifying Force, is how Kyp Durron fought when he took on those four YV.
So anyway, Yeah, Luke's Jedi because of their numbers and questionable skill, did horrible against the YV most of the time.
But I think if the YV had attacked the galaxy just before the Blockade of Naboo, It would have been a slightly different story.
And, if the old Sith Empire had been around to fight the YV, that would have been very interesting Indeed. Dare I say, it would have been possible that they would have WTF Pwned the Vong?Lastly, Yes, Kyp would get raped by Anakin.
Kyp was a little meek boy who grew into an overly agressive man.
He became impressive AFTER NJO, but, during the NJO, Anakin(As in E3)
Would have beat the unliving crap out of him.
I mean, he would've had a new mop for his apartment with Padme.
He woulden't need a cleaning droid or anything. He could just reach into his closet and pull out a blackened and beaten Kyp Durron, stick his head in a bucket, and go.
And for that matter, he could probally use some of your bullshit to fertilize Padme's balcony garden. 😎
Wow, it's a good thing your post was completely idiotic, otherwise I would need to write a rebuttal.
Actually, Darth Sexy is completely right, and is in no way, shape, or form obligated to reply to that horribly written post because it is completely illogical. Honestly, before you criticize other people's inability to formulate proper arguments - even though that is clearly not the case here - you should worry about your own.
Or would you like me to tear that thing to shreds?
Originally posted by Advent
Actually, Darth Sexy is completely right, and is in no way, shape, or form obligated to reply to that horribly written post because it is completely illogical. Honestly, before you criticize other people's inability to formulate proper arguments - even though that is clearly [b]not the case here - you should worry about your own.Or would you like me to tear that thing to shreds? [/B]
Rather, I'd like you to pull your head out of your rear end before you speak, coulden't quite hear your words.
The fun stuff was just to add some finality to what was already explained.
But, with some of the facts up there, tell me, intelligently, what was wrong. 😎
@ Adas
Hey the guy with the questions about lightsabers. Find everything you needed?
Btw, Im no where near as funny as Jaster_Mereel
Originally posted by Jaster_Mereel
HA!!! Bane ends up desroying 100s of sith lords! Sidius couldnt even kill Vader. Check out the Darth Bane Bio on wookieepedia, it has book spoilers for Path of Destruction. He pulls a moon out of orbit with the force! Thats Pimp!
😆
Oh Starbuck, I'm so sorry for making you wait. I mean, it's not as if I have all the time in the world to respond to your nonsensical bullshit.
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
K, first off, Just because he can't use the Force on the YV dosen't mean he cant use the Force on "trees". Dumb@$$.
(God, what a F*ckin retard.)
And where, pray tell, is Anakin going to find a damn tree and smack Yuuzhan Vong around? We do know that Kyp controlled a dovin basal, which - as pointed out by Generic Hero - has a near infinite amount of density. To assume that Anakin can even do the same, or would fare any better than Kyp did using the Force, is ridiculous when you consider the fact he couldn't successfully repel Obi-Wan's Force push, but instead ended up flying back along with Obi-Wan. May I remind you that this is the Obi-Wan who got tooled by the Force in 22 seconds flat. If our beloved Anakin is such a superior Force user to Kyp Durron, why didn't he just toss Obi-Wan into the lava? We know Kenobi's Force defense isn't the best around.
Yeah, being the Dark Lord of the Sith does automaticly give him the win.
I can't believe what I'm seeing. If you are going to debate, please do it properly and make valid points. This point isn't worth the bytes used to communicate it through the internet. I'll address it fully below, so read on.
Confused? Watch Episode 3...
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As we can see, being a Dark Lord of the Sith does not grant you victory. In fact, it really means nothing. For Anakin, it meant getting burnt to a crisp in ROTS. And of course, getting half his body hacked off and strewn across Mustafar. Now, I'm honestly not sure if this is a joke point or not, but I'll address it either way - as I'm not fully sure someone can be this incompetent.
And as we see in Purge, it didn't save Darth Vader from getting his hand chopped off yet again, and almost getting killed. Dark Lord of the Sith means you'll win? Whoa. And again, I say I'm not sure if you're kidding or not, but due to your sheer idiocy it wouldn't surprise me if you were being serious.
Also, you have to remember that by NJO, Pretty much all of the Jedi were actaully what you could call "Half Ass Jedi", since they were trained like they were in a self-defense class for elementary kids.
Really? Kyle Katarn, who was the Battlemaster of the NJO, was a "half ass Jedi"? Oh, okay. That must mean the likes of Jerec, Sariss, Pic, Gorc, Boc, Yun, and Maw must've sucked. Despite their descriptions, in which, all of them are described as powerful. I can definitely hand you the quotes if you want. Something you've yet to do, nor can you do because they don't exist. And actually just by playing the game cutscenes, and reading the books - this is definitely not the case for Katarn. We do know Tionne and the other apprentices present when Exar Kun's spirit was confronting them knew how to defend against their opponent through ancient tales. "Half ass"? My ass.
In any case, even if you want to claim that most of the NJO is incompetent, that means nothing really. The top dogs of the NJO surpass a lot of other people. By your logic, I could be saying that the Jedi of Exar Kun's time are incompetent because one fully pledged Jedi was killed by a group of thugs, a Jedi Knight that is classified as exceptional (Oss Willum) was tooled by some thugs as well, and one of the more powerful Jedi masters of the era, Arca Jeth, was pwned by a droid! Now, if I used that to base an argument against Kun, you would find that it has no value pertaining to the fight. As yours doesn't either.
I read the Jedi Search and Young Jedi Knights books.
Luke's training methods were wise and pacifistic, but as far as Martial skills and combat training went, it was laughable, even pathetic.I mean, most Jedi in his Order barely knew half the Force powers that the Jedi of the PT did.
Prove it. What Force powers do the PT Jedi display again? Force push? Pull? Impressive. And also provide proof to the claim that Luke's method of training is "laughable". I want an exact quote. You keep on pulling these ridiculous comments out of your ass, however, you do not give quotes to back you up. Which you should on a strong claim such as this.
And don't even get me started on lightsaber skills...
Most Jedi basicly utilised an aggressive and flashy form of Ataru that came in three varients or so.
Ataru? No. They did have three main forms, but proof they were based off Ataru? And what do you think Anakin's lightsaber form is? Djem So. Which is the second most aggressive form, next to Vaapad. Mace Windu even comments that Anakin used Djem So "to answer his emotions" (ROTS novel, IIRC). And we all know Anakin is a headstrong, arrogant, and angry guy. So, *gasp* could it be that his Djem So is "aggressive and flashy"?
I mean, aside from the motto that is "victory through superior firepower".
If they diden't use that, they basicly swung their lightsaber around like a blind-folded kid at a piniata.
Prove it. Prove they swing like that. Quit discrediting the NJO with ridiculous comments. Back up this claim. And also, it's hilarity at best when you consider the PT Jedi practiced Niman. And from what we know stated by the Star Wars Insider, Issue 62 for reference:
"In the time of Palpatine's Chancellorship, Form VI is the current standard."
Adding to that, it also says Niman was made to suit the "modern Jedi". So, okay, I've established that Niman was the most widely practiced form of the PT. Now, I move onto the next point which is that Niman is probably one of the worst forms anyone could use. Niman is the "diplomat's Form" (Insider), and actually doesn't focus on combat, instead it makes room for political attributes. So, I fail to see how that's more impressive and stunning than the New Jedi Order's form. We do know that every Niman practitioner that went to Geonosis was owned. Now, you're going to tell me that the New Jedi Order is weak with sabers? Get a grip.
Which, during the NJO's last book, The Unifying Force, is how Kyp Durron fought when he took on those four YV.
Prove it. Give me an actual quote that says "Kyp aimlessly swung his saber around".
But I think if the YV had attacked the galaxy just before the Blockade of Naboo, It would have been a slightly different story.
Slightly? It would've been a mass slaughter. NJO Luke had trouble taking down Shimmra. How can the likes of the most powerful Jedi of that era, Yoda, dream of doing that? How could Anakin even dream of that if the Vong had came instead of the Separatists? In any case, we do know that the the Republic forces, and the Jedi couldn't hope to even defeated the Separatist forces without the clones of Kamino. Even so, directly scanned from the NEC:
Now, even with two hundred thousand clones barely any Jedi survived, and all Niman users died. And as well, the Clone troopers lost thousands. We're talking about Yuuzhan Vong. I'd be willing to bet only about like ten Jedi out of the entire era could even defeat more than one. We know the Niman users were practically wiped out at Geonosis alone, how are the Jedi and Republic forces, pre-Blockade going to stop the Vong? Who's armor is resistant to lightsabers, are unable to be affected by the Force (or highly resistant I should say), and have far superior weaponry?
The PT era would belong to the Yuuzhan Vong, as would everything that followed if we let it up to the PT forces. We also do know that no one was prepared for a war, do you recall that Binks had to gi. The Republic and Jedi forces wouldn't even know what hit them. And then, of course, trying to attack back would be futile in most cases.
Another important point to bring up is that, at that time, the clones hadn't even been processed yet! LOL! How's the Republic going to stop the Vong with their "grand army", huh?
And, if the old Sith Empire had been around to fight the YV, that would have been very interesting Indeed. Dare I say, it would have been possible that they would have WTF Pwned the Vong?
So, we're talking about the Ancient Sith? Um, what exactly is your point, and how does it correlate to your argument? For one, the Sith of old have nothing to do with the PT, as the PT Jedi and Republic would be slaughtered horribly. It is noted, exactly, that they had to give "emergency powers" to Sidious as we know to announce the army on Kamino, they were not prepared for a war, and certainly not at all prior to the Blockade of Naboo. The Republic needed the clones or else they would've lost against the casual Separatist armies, who are not resistant to Force attacks, nor to a lightsaber.
Lastly, Yes, Kyp would get raped by Anakin.
Oh, great. Good for me, that you don't even provide any actual evidence to back that assertion up. Not that I even care, but you're reasonings are completely fallacious. That's what I'm addressing, not that Anakin can beat Kyp.
So, my horribly incompetent friend, provide proof. Not just your assertions that have nothing backing them up.
Kyp was a little meek boy who grew into an overly agressive man.
Um, yes, that "little meek boy" took down a Leviathan at age 16. Impressive. And I am aware he did use the lightning already there, however, that's still a plus for Kyp. And he also was able to somewhat combat it as well. As for Anakin? Oh, here I'll be you: Anakin was a little slave boy, who grew into an overly aggressive man.
So, what's your point? What does that have to do with anything really?
He became impressive AFTER NJO, but, during the NJO, Anakin(As in E3)Would have beat the unliving crap out of him.
Oh yes, because Lord Starbuck declares it - it must be so. Evidence? I've been waiting your entire post to find some, and as I near the end, it doesn't look like there will be any.
I mean, he would've had a new mop for his apartment with Padme. He woulden't need a cleaning droid or anything. He could just reach into his closet and pull out a blackened and beaten Kyp Durron, stick his head in a bucket, and go. And for that matter, he could probally use some of your bullshit to fertilize Padme's balcony garden. [/B]
So, where's the proof that Anakin would beat Kyp again? All I've been seeing is shit being flung around like a monkey. You made one blanket statement, and claim Anakin will win? Lmfao. You really don't even have an argument. You just basically said "Anakin wins".
As I said, before you critize anyone about an argument, look at your own - as it is severly lacking. Actually, you didn't even make any valid points, lol.
And keep in mind, I'm not even arguing Kyp > Anakin. I'm doing as you said, which was pointing out your faulty logic, and fallacious reasonings (then again, you don't even use logic at all...). Here's the most ironic statement I've ever seen in my entire life:
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
Like debating with you, a dude who can't back up his arguments.
LOL! Where was your proof again? Nowhere to be found. You just spaced like every sentence to make it look long. Anyways, I'd just like to say you possibly have the worst arguments ever witnessed. Worse than Numan's, in fact.
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
Btw Advent, Don't try to just vomit up baseless crap with me.
Oh my god. You claim I would spew "baseless crap"? Look at your damn post. I've debated far smarter than you, I am far more intelligent than you, and I know how to debate. This is ridiculous. An actual debater (me) against someone who doesn't even use what little braincells they have (you).
Originally posted by Advent
Oh, great. Good for me, that you don't even provide any actual evidence to back that assertion up. Not that I even care, but you're reasonings are completely fallacious. That's what I'm addressing, not that Anakin can beat Kyp.So, my horribly incompetent friend, provide proof. Not just your assertions that have nothing backing them up.
Um, yes, that "little meek boy" took down a Leviathan at age 16. Impressive. And I am aware he did use the lightning already there, however, that's still a plus for Kyp. And he also was able to somewhat combat it as well. As for Anakin? Oh, here I'll be you: Anakin was a little slave boy, who grew into an overly aggressive man.
So, what's your point? What does that have to do with anything really?
Oh yes, because Lord Starbuck declares it - it must be so. Evidence? I've been waiting your entire post to find some, and as I near the end, it doesn't look like there will be any.
So, where's the proof that Anakin would beat Kyp again? All I've been seeing is shit being flung around like a monkey. You made one blanket statement, and claim Anakin will win? Lmfao. You really don't even have an argument. You just basically said "Anakin wins".
As I said, before you critize [b]anyone
about an argument, look at your own - as it is severly lacking. Actually, you didn't even make any valid points, lol.And keep in mind, I'm not even arguing Kyp > Anakin. I'm doing as you said, which was pointing out your faulty logic, and fallacious reasonings (then again, you don't even use logic at all...). Here's the most ironic statement I've ever seen in my entire life:
LOL! Where was your proof again? Nowhere to be found. You just spaced like every sentence to make it look long. Anyways, I'd just like to say you possibly have the worst arguments ever witnessed. Worse than Numan's, in fact.
Oh my god. You claim I would spew "baseless crap"? Look at your damn post. I've debated far smarter than you, I am far more intelligent than you, and I know how to debate. This is ridiculous. An actual debater (me) against someone who doesn't even use what little braincells they have (you). [/B]
Originally posted by Advent
[BUm, yes, that "little meek boy" took down a Leviathan at age 16. Impressive. And I am aware he did use the lightning already there, however, that's still a plus for Kyp. And he also was able to somewhat combat it as well. As for Anakin? Oh, here I'll be you: Anakin was a little slave boy, who grew into an overly aggressive man.
[/B]
wasnt kyp bad with the lightsaber?
and fighting with anakin? isnt he the master of djem so who could take down some one not so good with a saber?
this isnt kyp vs anakin,
ok idk why people say kyp is bad with a saber, i need proof though.
lets say its true.
and count dooku? fining makashi and master it to its highest?
in saber combat id give it to dooku
