Originally posted by Jen'ari
'The rest I'll address later, I just had to completely own you on this point. And please, if you do ever respond again, use the quote feature - it's there for a reason. Your post looks like a giant wall o' text with a few bricks missing.'I agree. Starbuck, use the quote feature you dumbass.
Hey, how's that any way to talk to the guy who helped you out?
I'd have good mind to give a ya a good one across the face.
Show some manners kid, you want me as a friend, not an enemy.
Now, about that beer...cheers
drunk
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
Lol, that issue of Star Wars Insider is supposed to have errors on it. 😎Great comeback btw, I feel like Im talking to a first grader.
That's your response? Show me where it has errors in its description of the forms. My rebuttal to your Niman point put yours to sleep, Starbuck. Show viable evidence that its description of forms are incorrect. I'd say it's not given they are dead on with every other description.
Originally posted by Advent
That's your response? Show me where it has errors in its description of the forms. My rebuttal to your Niman point put yours to sleep, Starbuck. Show viable evidence that its description of [b]forms are incorrect. I'd say it's not given they are dead on with every other description. [/B]
Lol, first off, your my B*tch.
Second, Im too lazy right now. I just spent twelve hours working(which I doubt you do) and I got a bruski in my hand, and I plan on enjoyin' it.
I remebered someone else making a big deal about that issue having tons of errors on it, like Exar Kun being a Makashi user and such.
Check around, Im sure you'll find the source. 😎
That is, if its not too hard for you...
Originally posted by Advent
That's your response? Show me where it has errors in its description of the forms. My rebuttal to your Niman point put yours to sleep, Starbuck. Show viable evidence that its description of [b]forms are incorrect. I'd say it's not given they are dead on with every other description. [/B]
Advent, Starbuck has spent years researching these forms. I think he knows his stuff, thanks.
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
Lol, first off, your my B*tch.
Second, Im too lazy right now. I just spent twelve hours working(which I doubt you do) and I got a bruski in my hand, and I plan on enjoyin' it.
I remebered someone else making a big deal about that issue having tons of errors on it, like Exar Kun being a Makashi user and such.
Check around, Im sure you'll find the source. 😎
That is, if its not too hard for you...
As I said, descriptions. Not who uses what, and so on. And where are these "errors". In case you didn't know, "errors" is plural. Unless you can find a contradictory source, then my point still stands. Why? In the TPM novelization, for example, it says Maul does a backflip during his fight with Qui-Gon Jinn, he obviously didn't do that in the actual movie. So, am I going to assume other various quotes are incorrect, or the entire thing is incorrect itself because of one thing? No, I'm not.
You have no contradictory evidence on the description of Niman, and because of that - my point stands, and yours - of course - fails.
Originally posted by Advent
As I said, [b]descriptions. Not who uses what, and so on. And where are these "errors". In case you didn't know, "errors" is plural. Unless you can find a contradictory source, then my point still stands. Why? In the TPM novelization, for example, it says Maul does a backflip during his fight with Qui-Gon Jinn, he obviously didn't do that in the actual movie. So, am I going to assume other various quotes are incorrect, or the entire thing is incorrect itself because of one thing? No, I'm not.You have no contradictory evidence on the description of Niman, and because of that - my point stands, and yours - of course - fails. [/B]
Lol, is there ever a time when you don't talk like a machine?
Could ya please expand on what I got wrong about Niman? 😎
Thanks Adventa 😆
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
3. I understand Kyle is Battlemaster and that does give him some good credits. But realistically, RotS Anakin could have raped all seven dark Jedi. Even when he was put into his metal suit, it was stated that Jerec ony rivaled Vader, he still wasen't better than him. And thats with the suit. Without it, Jerec woulden't stand much of a chance, neither would his goons.
Really? Despite the fact Jerec, when he gets the power of the Valley of the Jedi is described as:
"If Jerec captures this power, he will be a creature such as the universe has never seen. A supernova of stars in a fleeting thought. The eradication of life from a star system in a whisper will be within his power."
And the omniscient narrator does state the following:
"...he was about to become the most powerful individual in the civilized worlds no, in the universe."
Jerec was able to trigger explosions by just a wave of his hand: "Jerec turned, extended his hand, and triggered an explosion" . He was able to harness the power of the Force and turn it into a beam: "The Dark Jedi drew upon the energy that leaked out of the Valley, gave it shape, and hurled the construct at Kyle's chest. The blast threw the Rebel backward onto the loading ramp. He staggered and had just managed to reestablish his footing when a second, more powerful explosion hurled him back into the cargo ship.". Now, rivaling Vader? Uh, you do realize that the gap between post-suit Vader and pre-suit Vader isn't vast in the least bit. So how, pray tell, will Jerec not stand a chance? Some would even argue OT Vader > ROTS Anakin given the fact his knowledge and power with the Darkside of the Force has vastly improved.
How 'bout this, what Force powers did the regular NJO Jedi exhibit that was better than the PT Jedi? Nothing. I mean, a few crappy little silly things in a few of the early novels. But realistically, nothing.The PT Jedi could absorb attacks, use Battle meditation, and use the Force like it was second nature, basicly in a manner a whole lot better than the Half Ass Jedi that came later.
Yes, because all PT Jedi could absorb attacks, right? Prove it. Because all PT Jedi used Battle meditation, right? Prove it.
And again, the fact of the matter is - that it doesn't matter whatsoever because of the fact you can be the strongest in a weaker era, yet still be more powerful than the strongest of a more powerful era. Case in point: NJO Luke > Yoda.
Wow, twelve Jedi Initiates confronting the spirit of a Sith Lord. Thats a retarded defense for this Advent, c'mon, you can do better! Of course they're half ass. Duh. Just pick up a young Jedi Knights novel and read it if you want proof.
What, exactly, are you trying to accomplish? You keep saying this and that is "retarded", except you provide no quotes and just unsubstantiated bullshit. So, where's the quotes they're "half ass" Jedi, and how does this correlate to Kyp Durron? Quit making claims if you have no intention of backing them up. Burden of proof is on you, or else logical fallacy.
Back a lil' before the Sith Wars, the Jedi Order was really just starting to become a Martial organization, all of their members for this reason weren't skilled fighters.
Really?
"A time where Jedi are numerous and strong", opening narration. But, I thought they weren't "skilled"? QED, newb. And this was shortly before the Sith Wars. So, I've proven your a liar. Good.
Oh, now here is a really good one. Ataru? Yep. Now, you want proof that they were based off Ataru? Im going to use a wise and old-fashioned way of logical deduction, it goes somthin' like this: "If it looks like Sh*t. And it smells like Sh*t. It's Sh*t."
Okay? Because you can positively identify attacks from Ataru to the three lightsaber forms, right? Oh wait, you can't. In any case, logical fallacy. Just because it looks like, not that you even can prove that, doesn't mean it is.
Basicly the three forms all have identical attack and defense techniques akin to Ataru.
Oh, really? Where's your proof for that again? Show me where they have "identical attacks", and "defense techniques"? Lmfao. This is too easy. You're claiming they have "identical attacks", but where's this at again?
Add to the fact that JO was made some time after Episode 1, when the new popular method of lightsaber dueling was full of acrobatics and flashy moves, it makes sense that they'd put that kind of fighting engine into the game, ne?
So now you're using Jedi Outcast as source for your argument? You're using game mechanics? Show me actual evidence, as in a direct narration quote. Jedi Outcast is set years after TPM. So what if it came out around the same time? That doesn't mean it's based off Ataru when you give no proof whatsoever aside from gameplay.
And I could just as easily say they were using Maul's form of Juyo given his extreme acrobatics demonstrated. So your point collapses due to lack of viable proof.
So, yeah, It is at least a varient of Ataru, if not the same thing.
You're using video game movements as basis for your argument. We do know that lightsaber combat in games is far from canon, or suitable evidence due to the fact every form in KOTOR looks exactly alike.
Anakin's swordsmanship looked flashy becomes he employed Ataru techniques into his attacks. So, no, his Djem So is not flashy, it is agressive though.
Anakin's swordsmanship looks flashy, but it's not? Contradiction much? Anakin's form is aggressive, it is flashy. Even if it's a variant - that doesn't mean you can disregard the original point which was:
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
Most Jedi basicly utilised an aggressive and flashy form of Ataru that came in three varients or so.
So, if Anakin's looks flashy (and as you said, "if it looks like, blah like, it is"😉 and it is aggressive - you're using a double standards, which means a logical fallacy. And, like I said, using your own quote of "if it looks like, smells like, it is" (despite this being a fallacy in itself) - Anakin uses a flashy and aggressive form. So, of course, you defeated your own point by admitting it is flashy, and implying heavily that the Jedi of the NJO suck because they use an "aggressive and flashy" form.
Which, is different from Windu's form which channels fury into a perfectly tapped energy source, unlike Anakin's Djem So, which uses barely controlled rage.
What, exactly, does this have to do with the fact that Anakin's form of Djem So is the second most aggressive form there is?
Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
Ya, so do I, as you well know.
Yer welcome kid. 😎
You do, of course, realize Nebaris was kidding, right? Considering the fact you're a newb here. And also the fact you provide no actual proof aside from "he can do it because I say so".
And what you were wrong when addressing Niman? That it is a very good style to use, and that you implied it's better than the forms of the NJO. I proved that it is not a combative form, and is "insufficient", and the fact it's suited for diplomat's, and it doesn't do well against growing danger. So, as you see, you're wrong. Do you need help on your reading comprehension?
And also, I see the entire thing about the Yuuzhan Vong vs. the Jedi completely flew over your head. Had it not been for the Clone Army, the Jedi would be dead. The fact you stated "before the blockade of Naboo" means that the Clone Army wasn't even created yet. So, how are the Jedi - who would've died had it not been for the "emergency powers" granted to unleash the Clone Army - going to have a hope of survival against the Yuuzhan Vong?
"Oh, really? Where's your proof for that again? Show me where they have "identical attacks", and "defense techniques"? Lmfao. This is too easy. You're claiming they have "identical attacks", but where's this at again?"
hysterical
Oh Adventa, you must be on your period again...
FYI, Im not a noob, Im a banned user. 😛
All the stuff I said was true, even if you throw a lil' temper tantrum like the girl you are and say it isen't.
"Anakin's swordsmanship looks flashy, but it's not? Contradiction much?"
His Djem So isen't, his Ataru, naturally, is.
Heh, Contradiction much? You sound like a valley girl. Are you a mall rat in your spare time?
Like, totally? tomato
LOL!
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Originally posted by Master_Starbuck
All the stuff I said was true, even if you throw a lil' temper tantrum like the girl you are and say it isen't.
Despite the fact I outright proved you were lying with a scan? Lol. You were saying?
His Djem So isen't, his Ataru, naturally, is.
Obviously the entire point like, totally flew over your head. Let's see, you said Anakin uses a variant combining Shien, Ataru, and Djem So, ergo Anakin's "form of Djem So" is just that. He doesn't use Ataru to duel, as in he doesn't switch from Ataru to Djem So. If anything, like you said, only combines it making it a unique form. And he definitely doesn't use Shien to duel either (except with Dooku, in which he used it as a ploy). So, in essence, the "flashy moves" are a part of his form if he combines them. Now you're just contradicting yourself.
You talk about "flashy". Are you saying Anakin's uses of his form on Mustafar weren't "flashy"? Considering he ended up spinning his saber around for like ten seconds for no reason.
Heh, Contradiction much? You sound like a valley girl. Are you a mall rat in your spare time?Like, totally?
"Mall rat"? Sorry, I don't associate with vermin in terms of being colleagues. Only deal with them on this forum (you). And "valley girl"? Like, what do you mean? I am so totally not a "Valley girl".
