What does this mean to you?

Started by Shakyamunison16 pages
Originally posted by FeceMan
Then I would have to give up on the divine and end up like Lord Urizen.

What's so special about divine?

Re: Re: What does this mean to you?

Originally posted by JOE NUNEZ
I thought God was a good God, not an evil punisher..

I responded to this post Joe.

umm....nothing.

Originally posted by Alliance
Basically, you are so blinded by your concept of Christianity, which you are told, I serously wonder if you are even capable of free thought.

1. I am speaking from the Judeo-Christian perspective. The Bible--upon which the Judeo-Christian faith is founded--states that Yahweh is just. Therefore, Yahweh is just.

2. To give judgment means that one must judge (or "to act as a judge; pass judgment"😉. To judge is "to pass legal judgment on; pass sentence on (a person)" or "to hear evidence or legal arguments in (a case) in order to pass judgment; adjudicate; try" or "to decide or settle authoritatively; adjudge".

3. It might seem to be unacceptable to you, but you have not stretch out your hand and marked off the dimension of the universe, you have not spoken to the waters and held them back with an utterance, and you have not seen the gates of deep shadow. You are not given the authority to decide what is acceptable and what is not.

4. See number one.

5. Too much 'allegedly' spoils the broth. And I believe that people were judged according to how they served the LORD by following the Law. However, I am uncertain, as I have stated in the past.

6. Jesus was, quite honestly, a scapegoat.

7. I've already explained to you why God and free-will can exist.

You are so blinded by your adamant disbelief that I seriously wonder if you can hold a rational conversation with someone.

Originally posted by FeceMan
1. I am speaking from the Judeo-Christian perspective. The Bible--upon which the Judeo-Christian faith is founded--states that Yahweh is just. Therefore, Yahweh is just.

2. To give judgment means that one must judge (or "to act as a judge; pass judgment"😉. To judge is "to pass legal judgment on; pass sentence on (a person)" or "to hear evidence or legal arguments in (a case) in order to pass judgment; adjudicate; try" or "to decide or settle authoritatively; adjudge".

3. It might seem to be unacceptable to you, but you have not stretch out your hand and marked off the dimension of the universe, you have not spoken to the waters and held them back with an utterance, and you have not seen the gates of deep shadow. You are not given the authority to decide what is acceptable and what is not.

4. See number one.

5. Too much 'allegedly' spoils the broth. And I believe that people were judged according to how they served the LORD by following the Law. However, I am uncertain, as I have stated in the past.

6. Jesus was, quite honestly, a scapegoat.

7. I've already explained to you why God and free-will can exist.

You are so blinded by your adamant disbelief that I seriously wonder if you can hold a rational conversation with someone.

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Originally posted by FeceMan
1. I am speaking from the Judeo-Christian perspective. The Bible--upon which the Judeo-Christian faith is founded--states that Yahweh is just. Therefore, Yahweh is just.

2. To give judgment means that one must judge (or "to act as a judge; pass judgment"😉. To judge is "to pass legal judgment on; pass sentence on (a person)" or "to hear evidence or legal arguments in (a case) in order to pass judgment; adjudicate; try" or "to decide or settle authoritatively; adjudge".

3. It might seem to be unacceptable to you, but you have not stretch out your hand and marked off the dimension of the universe, you have not spoken to the waters and held them back with an utterance, and you have not seen the gates of deep shadow. You are not given the authority to decide what is acceptable and what is not.

4. See number one.

5. Too much 'allegedly' spoils the broth. And I believe that people were judged according to how they served the LORD by following the Law. However, I am uncertain, as I have stated in the past.

6. Jesus was, quite honestly, a scapegoat.

7. I've already explained to you why God and free-will can exist.

You are so blinded by your adamant disbelief that I seriously wonder if you can hold a rational conversation with someone.

You are so blinded by your adamant belief that I seriously wonder if you can hold a rational conversation with someone. 😉

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You are so blinded by your adamant belief that I seriously wonder if you can hold a rational conversation with someone. 😉

Way to miss the reason why I was saying that.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
It is called grace (unmerited, undeserved favor). None of us "deserves" God's mercy, grace, or forgiveness. But if you repent of your sins (change your mind about sin), and turn to God sincerely, and earnestly (in Jesus Name), God will hear you.

[B].... Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; Though they are red like crimson, They shall be as wool--Isaiah 1:18

But you have to believe that Jesus is the Son of God (God in the flesh), call Jesus your Lord, and believe that God raised Jesus from the dead and you will be saved. [/B]

That’s what I’m saying, you can break the commandments all of your life and kill and rape thousands of people but if you change your heart at the last minute you are forgiven. Now the one that doesn’t believe who has lived a good life and helped and cared for others and helped mankind deserves to go to “hell” just because he doesn’t believe so this mean that this is the greatest of sins because this can’t be forgiven and deserves the greatest of punishments.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive

God is good, anymore questions?

A good judge upholds justice and righteousness right? God is Judge of all the universe (higher than a supreme court justice). As Judge God must judge sinners and hold them accountable for breaking his laws (His Word). If God didn't punish the sinner for his/her sins then He would not be a good, righteous Judge. On the flip side God is also Love which is why He sent Jesus (His Son) to die for the sins of the whole world...man I just have to pause and thank God in my heart for His mercy....

God could have just thrown us all in Hell and locked the gates. But He didn't. He knows that He must judge sinners and hold them accountable but He loves us so much that He found another way to deal with our sins. But it involved a sacrifice: the very life of His own Son. God placed the sins of the whole world (those who have died, those living, and those who have yet to be born in sin) on Jesus and punished Him for our sins. Now that sin (our sins, not Jesus's sins because Jesus never sinned) have already been judged and punished God can extend mercy, grace, and forgiveness to anyone who asks for that forgiveness. But here is the only stipulation: since Jesus is the one Who did the suffering, and Who took our punishment for sin, then by virtue of this fact we must come to Jesus and ask for this forgiveness from sins. Otherwise we will suffer for our sins (because we choose to. Our sins have already been punished thanks to Jesus so there is no excuse for going to Hell when you die). Don't blame God. God made a way for us to skip Hell, if we reject it then we get what we deserve. The righteous Judge (God) has justly placed us where we belong.

What would you call someone that knew what you were already going to do and said that if you choose this option (and they already do) you will be punished unless you believe what I believe?

I just can’t understand how someone can believe so strongly in a religion that has be written by men who crave power and been twisted over time to suit their needs. There have been more wars and killing in the “name of God” then you can count, people have used religion as a tool to control the masses and to obtain and justify their goals while looking to be the “better” to the people.

Originally posted by ThePittman
What would you call someone that knew what you were already going to do and said that if you choose this option (and they already do) you will be punished unless you believe what I believe?

I just can’t understand how someone can believe so strongly in a religion that has be written by men who crave power and been twisted over time to suit their needs. There have been more wars and killing in the “name of God” then you can count, people have used religion as a tool to control the masses and to obtain and justify their goals while looking to be the “better” to the people.

He knows this already Pittman.....JIA doesn't care. Like I said before, if you present him with facts, he will just ignore you. If you argue fairy tale logic, then he'll respond.

Originally posted by FeceMan
1. I am speaking from the Judeo-Christian perspective. The Bible--upon which the Judeo-Christian faith is founded--states that Yahweh is just. Therefore, Yahweh is just.

2. To give judgment means that one must judge (or "to act as a judge; pass judgment"😉. To judge is "to pass legal judgment on; pass sentence on (a person)" or "to hear evidence or legal arguments in (a case) in order to pass judgment; adjudicate; try" or "to decide or settle authoritatively; adjudge".

3. It might seem to be unacceptable to you, but you have not stretch out your hand and marked off the dimension of the universe, you have not spoken to the waters and held them back with an utterance, and you have not seen the gates of deep shadow. You are not given the authority to decide what is acceptable and what is not.

4. See number one.

5. Too much 'allegedly' spoils the broth. And I believe that people were judged according to how they served the LORD by following the Law. However, I am uncertain, as I have stated in the past.

6. Jesus was, quite honestly, a scapegoat.

7. I've already explained to you why God and free-will can exist.

You are so blinded by your adamant disbelief that I seriously wonder if you can hold a rational conversation with someone.

Don't you DARE talk about rationality when you admittingly beleive a fkn fairy tale.....

Originally posted by FeceMan
Then I would have to give up on the divine and end up like Lord Urizen.

You'd end up FREE my freind 😉

Let me know when your done beleiving in Santa Clause 2

Originally posted by dark99
If God is all knowing then does God have free will or does he just have to follow the actions he sees himself performing...

Did anyone notice this at all... come on JIA how about a response...

Its been discussed in multiple threads. An omnipotent god cannot coexist with free will.

So has everyone agreed that God is not omnipotent. I don't think JIA believes that...

Originally posted by dark99
So has everyone agreed that God is not omnipotent. I don't think JIA believes that...

Instead of beating around the bush (being indirect) why don't you just ask me what I believe?

I know what that means... you don't have to put it in parenthesis...

Alright fine JIA... what do you believe?...

Originally posted by dark99
So has everyone agreed that God is not omnipotent. I don't think JIA believes that...

I believe that the Bible reveals that God is omnipotent. God is referred to as the "Almighty." In other words, God is "all-powerful" or "omnipotent."

Originally posted by FeceMan
Way to miss the reason why I was saying that.

I just didn't like your tone.

Is he a baritone???