Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If I was beting man I'd say Millar ignored the fight because it was hopelessly out of character on Wolverine's part? He attacked his friend... with his claws drawn. His claws are hardly a defensive weapon, any time Wolverine attacks someone with his claws he is trying to a) kill them or b) disarm them; anything else is PIS. Does anyone think Wolverine was trying to kill Hank? No? Then what was he planing on doing with his claws, give Hank a hair cut maybe?Wolverine has said many times someone comes at him with fists he meets them in kind, but someone draws a weapon then he does the same. It was a dated interpretation of Wolverine that ignored years of character development... it was the same Wolverine, Storm was lecturing when the New X-Men first formed, not the one from today.
Well the idea of the so called fight was to allow Hank to vent some...not to maim. The claws probably gave Beast even more incentive to go at it. Which was entirely Logans point, he was trying to push Hanks buttons in that scene.
On a side note though Cat Beast is severely underatted.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
actaully it not out of character at all. Logan is one of the most fear mutants alive. There are stories told about events he has done. He is simply scary. Even if your more powerful then he, it does not mean your not scared of a man who has killed hundreds of people.rachel also views wolverine as a father figure it completely with in character for her to get scared and do what he says it even explained.
how storm jobb? She never even fought him.
Which gives an indication as to why Rachel didn't chuck him into space with her TK or Storm didn't resort to anything other then fog right?
And they were fighting their friend. To say the X-Men were operating at their fullest in that arc would be a lie.
Bianchi looks like he can be a real hit and a miss:
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well the idea of the so called fight was to allow Hank to vent some...not to maim. The claws probably gave Beast even more incentive to go at it. Which was entirely Logans point, he was trying to push Hanks buttons in that scene.
On a side note though Cat Beast is severely underatted.Which gives an indication as to why Rachel didn't chuck him into space with her TK or Storm didn't resort to anything other then fog right?
And they were fighting their friend. To say the X-Men were operating at their fullest in that arc would be a lie.
...........there nothing to suggest they werent unless given reason.
I mean they all know they can't kill Logan.
marvel girl was scared. The person who act like a father to her had gone insane and was threating her life and every one elses with a bomb. She panic that alls.
storm? They gave reasons for why she did not uses extreme force and that was only to not kill the animals. Not to mention Logan never fought her directly or even saw her. Storm can't take out what she does not see.
scot was stated to have used a full blast on Logan. beast clearly knows he can go at logan with all he has. But beast was scared. he attack Logan and got punked in a single pannel.
beast really stands no chance of taking a victory from Logan. Hell DD and capt have made him look like a chump. I like beast, but he aint no heavy hitter and he aint that skilled. He a lap rat with moderate skills with superhuman abilities.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
..........there nothing to suggest they werent unless given reason.I mean they all know they can't kill Logan.
marvel girl was scared. The person who act like a father to her had gone insane and was threating her life and every one elses with a bomb. She panic that alls.
storm? They gave reasons for why she did not uses extreme force and that was only to not kill the animals. Not to mention Logan never fought her directly or even saw her. Storm can't take out what she does not see.
scot was stated to have used a full blast on Logan. beast clearly knows he can go at logan with all he has. But beast was scared. he attack Logan and got punked in a single pannel.
beast really stands no chance of taking a victory from Logan. Hell DD and capt have made him look like a chump. I like beast, but he aint no heavy hitter and he aint that skilled. He a lap rat with moderate skills with superhuman abilities.
Which means they weren't operating at their full capacity. Because they were all concerned about their friend which was voiced by practically everyone close to Wolverine during that arc and because they were afraid.
I'm not saying Beast would take the majority over Wolverine, mainly because I can't see Beast inflicting the insane amount damaged need to KO him. However I don't believe it'd be a walk over or a one-shotting.
Scotts "Max" optic blasts vary according to the writer. See Astonishing X-Men and WWH😘-Men.(Where he can apparently go max with his visor on)
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Which means they weren't operating at their full capacity. Because they were all concerned about their friend which was voiced by practically everyone close to Wolverine during that arc and because they were afraid.
I'm not saying Beast would take the majority over Wolverine, mainly because I can't see Beast inflicting the insane amount damaged need to KO him. However I don't believe it'd be a walk over or a one-shotting.Scotts "Max" optic blasts vary according to the writer. See Astonishing X-Men and WWH😘-Men.(Where he can apparently go max with his visor on)
They know they can't kill him there be no need to hold back especial beast he aint doing shit to logan. He got scared and got stomp.
Logan would walk all over beast. Also one shot from logan would put beast down. I mean 3 foot long claws aint something beast is fight through.
scot does not need to take his visor off to go full force and never has. taking off the visor makes the blast wide range. using the visor he can focus it smaller making it even more powerful he displayed this verse blob before.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
They know they can't kill him there be no need to hold back especial beast he aint doing shit to logan. He got scared and got stomp.Logan would walk all over beast. Also one shot from logan would put beast down. I mean 3 foot long claws aint something beast is fight through.
Wolverine isn't unkillable. According to his series he actually dies and comes back to life everytime he sustains a severe injury. And that's still not reason enough for the X-Men not to hold back. Otherwise you would have had people like Kitty Pryde phase his ass into the ground permanently. The X-Men weren't bloodlusted or fighting to their fullest in that arc.
Beast is strong enough and quick enough to give Logan problems. He just doesn't have anything of magnitude to KO Wolverine.
scot does not need to take his visor off to go full force and never has. taking off the visor makes the blast wide range. using the visor he can focus it smaller making it even more powerful he displayed this verse blob before.
According to Civil War: X-Men. Scott has always been holding back even when he goes max.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Wolverine isn't unkillable. According to his series he actually dies and comes back to life everytime he sustains a severe injury. And that's still not reason enough for the X-Men not to hold back. Otherwise you would have had people like Kitty Pryde phase his ass into the ground permanently. The X-Men weren't bloodlusted or fighting to their fullest in that arc.Beast is strong enough and quick enough to give Logan problems. He just doesn't have anything of magnitude to KO Wolverine.
According to Civil War: X-Men. Scott has always been holding back even when he goes max.
oh he can die, but he comes back so in the end it hardly matters. also it pritty dam hard to kill him at all so there no need to hold back. Nor was it stated beast was.
also you keep saying x-men............he fought only two of them. Both one on one. He was not fighting a team.
actually beast is not fast or strong enough to give Logan any problems. I have my doubts that he as fast as Logan to be honest. also beast strength feats are nothing that impressive at all. Hell I go so far to say that capt and Logan have feats comparable to most of beasts.
Originally posted by Battlehammer
[B]oh he can die, but he comes back so in the end it hardly matters. also it pritty dam hard to kill him at all so there no need to hold back. Nor was it stated beast was.
But a reason was given as to why Beast and Rachel choked(Wolverine V3 #3) when they encountered Logan. Which means that they weren't fighting to their full capacity.
also you keep saying x-men............he fought only two of them. Both one on one. He was not fighting a team.
He encountered plenty of them when they chased him through that forest.
actually beast is not fast or strong enough to give Logan any problems. I have my doubts that he as fast as Logan to be honest. also beast strength feats are nothing that impressive at all. Hell I go so far to say that capt and Logan have feats comparable to most of beasts.
Which is clearly an underestimation of Beast. In his human form Beasts agility was pretty insane.(See X-Men First Class V1 the first issue IRRC) and in Morrisons run Beast helped to clear some impressively large debris after the Genosha attack.(New X-Men V1 116) But to each their own.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Nobody choked. Rachel didn't attack Wolverine right off the back because he had a bomb that was going to explode in 15 minutes if Wolverine didn't deactivate it... and once the Rachel disassembled the bomb Wolverine teleported away.
They talked about choking in Emma's telepathy session in Wolverine V3 #30.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If I was beting man I'd say Millar ignored the fight because it was hopelessly out of character on Wolverine's part? He attacked his friend... with his claws drawn. His claws are hardly a defensive weapon, any time Wolverine attacks someone with his claws he is trying to a) kill them or b) disarm them; anything else is PIS. Does anyone think Wolverine was trying to kill Hank? No? Then what was he planing on doing with his claws, give Hank a hair cut maybe?Wolverine has said many times someone comes at him with fists he meets them in kind, but someone draws a weapon then he does the same. It was a dated interpretation of Wolverine that ignored years of character development... it was the same Wolverine, Storm was lecturing when the New X-Men first formed, not the one from today.
Do you think Hank would have taken Logan seriously if he had used his fists, I think not. IMO Logan was helping Hank to ventilate his anger, he did that by making Hank think he was really going to hurt him, and maybe to demonstrate that Beast's mutant abilities aren't completely useless. Feel free to disagree, as this is merely my opinion. Btw, Wolverine has used his claws against "unarmed" opponents before, Ie. Mr X.
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Astonishing X-men is the best X-men book in A LONG TIME, of course everyone wont like it, but majority does. I like how it's not concentrated on one specific character and they've all got "screen time". It's also good to see that Wolverine isn't written like he is 100% the time, I grew bored to his "snikt bub" act because it was on the table so much. This is my opinion though.
Originally posted by Soljer
Whether there was 'reason' or not, to act like the people in EOTS were going all out?❌.
to act like there were holding back more so then normal
is a no no as well.
They know Logan can take it. There not babying him. They attempted to take him out..........beast however failed.
