NBA discussion thread

Im not sure Shaq and Yao should be in the starting line ups but as has been discussed its about votes.
The Lakers sank to an all time low today with a humiliating defeat to the lowly Bobcats (who had lost 13 straight). This game was a perfect example of why Kobe shoots so much, he should have had 15 assists but our shooters built a brick wall under the basket. I have never seen so many wide open shots missed, 2's,3's, even free throws seemed to be a struggle. The defense was even worse, total matador style. I bet Kobe cant wait till the All Star break so he can play with some decent players. Bynum continues to impress when he gets in but Phil is keeping his minutes low, which is hard to swallow when the rest of the team is so bad. One of the Lakers biggest problems this year has been playing to the oppositions level, we play great against the Heat and stink it up against the Bobcats.

Originally posted by darth_royke
http://www.nba.com/news/259943.html

i'm not sure if i'm happy or not... antonio brings in some nice inside muscle, but we lose a decent scorer in jalen. and a future first round pick. it does give the raps $10 million in cap space though, which is always useful

At first, I was in the same boat.

But when I looked more deeply, they do get rid of Rose huge contract. This pretty much says that Raptors will definitly give Bosh some big money, instead of losing him like all the others.

I was pretty pissed about the whole giving away the first rd pick, but its from the Nuggets, so its going to be around 20th and up, so the guy they will get wont make much a different next year. Considering Raptors have thier first pick, which will probably be in the top 5, they really didnt need the second one. They already have too many young rookies, so they dont really need another one.

Also, Raptors, with the added cap space, hopefully get some veterens in theyre for next season. So, they trade I think will work in Raptors favour.

Originally posted by tanjot
[QUOTE=5896460]Originally posted by Myth
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first of all, nash over garnett??? wtf ru talking about??? they play different positions. as for carter and jermain, they also play different positions, because carter is playing guard this year, and will b a reserve behing wade. i wanted him to play as a forward because he would have a much better chance at making the starting lineup this year over jermaine, not to say he would, but he would have a better chance. i agree with u on one thing though, chris kaman is having a breakout year even with elton brand on the team.

First of all, you need to clarify who you are talking to or you miss read what was said. The Chris Kaman thing was obviously to me. But then you question me saying Nash should be in the line-up over Garnett which was simply responding to somebody else who said Garnett deserved to be over Nash. NUMAN was not specificying positions and said Garnett deserved to be over Nash and for the sake of him saying that, I was simply saying Nash deserved to start over Garnett over Nash no matter what. But if you look at the rest of my post, I was comparing Garnett to other forwards.

tanjot, learn to count? i already stated that it was a misunderstanding, and maybe you should learn your conferences. you mentioned chris paul in the eastern conference? he plays for nawlins, who are in the west. just thought i'd mention it if you wanna get petty.

and about saying did you repeat urself, i'm sure one post is neough to make a statement, its easy enough to respond to 2 posts with one simple post.

i'd like to see dwight howard start over jermaine in the east, hes been thoroughly consistant.

smasandian, like you said, look deeper into the trade, and its get better😄 its a welcome to return for davis, even if he isnt in his prime. hopefully he can teach bosh and villanueva some rebounding, if they can improve that we're talking playoffs next year!

Originally posted by darth_royke
tanjot, learn to count? i already stated that it was a misunderstanding, and maybe you should learn your conferences. you mentioned chris paul in the eastern conference? he plays for nawlins, who are in the west. just thought i'd mention it if you wanna get petty.

and about saying did you repeat urself, i'm sure one post is neough to make a statement, its easy enough to respond to 2 posts with one simple post.

i'd like to see dwight howard start over jermaine in the east, hes been thoroughly consistant.

smasandian, like you said, look deeper into the trade, and its get better😄 its a welcome to return for davis, even if he isnt in his prime. hopefully he can teach bosh and villanueva some rebounding, if they can improve that we're talking playoffs next year!

actually, i remember watching the 2004 all star game, which is when baron davis and jamal magloire made it as reserves.... and guess what... THEY WERE ON THE EAST. you can ask someone else if u want to because u obviously dont seem to agree with me on anything.

forgot to say...that is when they both played for new orleans.

yeah but since then the hornets moved to the west to acoomodate the bobcats, i beleive magloire made a good impact on that game and scored 20+points. the year after however is when teh bobcats came in and teh 3 division per conference scheme was done. since then, the new orleans(opr oklahoma) hornets have been a west team. this makes chris paul eligible for the west all stars. i'm not trying to dis-agree with you on everything, you just seem to take things too seriously. mistakes happen, us brits can accept and laugh at ourselves... some other people however, cannot

The Hornets are in the West. And Chris Paul starting? No. He's played real good, but he shouldn't be starting.

I agree with Iverson, Wade, and Lebron for the East, and I agree with Kobe, Duncan, and Nash for the West.

Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove
0-20 from the field in the forth. UGH

I hope the Kings trade Bibby for Kirk Hinrich. I'm getting sick of Bibby making opposing mediocre point guards look like Isiah Thomas.

if i were a kings fan i would encourage this trade as well, i like hinrick, he could do alot for them, on paper the kings look good, but as you and every other basketball fan in the world knows, there chemisty is shite

I believe Chris Paul may deserve to be on the bench of the Western all-stars but there is no way he should start (even if he was on the East).

Originally posted by koolruningz
we play great against the Heat and stink it up against the Bobcats.

yea and i thought losing to the nets were bad

who had the triple double?? vince carter, 27 points, 13 rebounds, 10 assists, myth i didnt c u bragging today.

Originally posted by tanjot
who had the triple double?? vince carter, 27 points, 13 rebounds, 10 assists, myth i didnt c u bragging today.

Honestly, do you have to mention the same crap about Carter in every thread? You already mentioned VC in another thread for getting a triple double today and I already gave him props for that. Can we make a new rule here? Since there are already threads pretty much dedicated to Carter, can we just keep it in those places?

Wow, ESPN's Mark Stein nailed who I thought should be reserves:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/allstar2006/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&page=allstarsubcandidates&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab1po

Originally posted by Myth
Days like today are why I have a hard time seeing Billups as MVP.
Billups goes 2 for 10 for 10 points and has a turn-over for ever assist (6 each). Yet, the team easily survived without him playing well and its not because anybody really "stepped it up."
Rasheed scored 24, Hamilton had 20, Prince had 19, and Big Ben had 14 and 13. Those numbers aren't out of the norm for any of those guys. This is a perfect example of how its a team effort.
Kobe on the other hand is the most important guy on his team by far. I've always viewed MVP as the person that if removed from the team would make the team fall apart the most. That man this season is Kobe, not Billups.

Glad to see you're finally seeing it my way Myth, remember when you said this and I responded?

Originally posted by Myth
You realize they take record into consideration, right? They pretty much never give the MVP to somebody on a team that is not at least the 4th best record. That is unless you think Lakers will be one of the top teams this season even after their 5-7 start.

I know, I thought about it as I made my pick, I really don't know who else should get it who's on a winning team.

Should Duncan get it? No way, this years Spurs team is far too good for him to get MVP.

Should Shaq get it? Again the Heat are too good this year and in case no one has noticed they're winning without him.

So who should get it?

Well, if the Lakers do finish at the top then definitely Kobe should get it.

If the T-Wolves finish high up there then I think KG should definitely get it.

How about Dirk with Dallas? I predict them to finish second in the West overall.

How about Ron Artest? I predict that the Pacers will win the East this year with him back.

The team's winning record does play a big factor in the decision but remember more importantly it has to be a team that really needs that player or else they lose without him. It also has to do a lot with dominating key stats. Case in point the Bulls, the reason why Jordan won MVP so many times, wasn't just because he dominated almost every statistical category but also because he was on a team that with the exception of Pippen, was just average. Take Jordan off the team and they're no longer a good team.

Originally posted by RZA
My picks

Eastern Conference Champs:
Pacers beat Pistons

Western Conference Champs:
Spurs beat Dallas

Finals Champs:
Spurs

MVP:
Kobe

Defensive player of the year:
Ron Artest

Most Improved Player:
Dwight howard

Sixth Man:
Findog(I hope) but it might be Walker

Most improved team:
The Clippers

Coach of the Year:
Rick Carlyle

Time to update my predictions:

Obviously with Ron Artest gone from the Pacers, I'm not predicting them to win anything anymore. I think that entitles me to change my picks for Eastern conference champs and coach of the year...

Pistons will definitely win the East now. Only teams in the East I see that can challenge them right now are the Heat and the Nets and I don't see either of them beating Detroit in a 7 game series.

Could coach of the year then go to Flip Saunders? He took over for the legendary Larry Brown who brought them a championship and they're actually playing better under him than Brown or Perhaps Popovich for re-peating with the Spurs? Seems like both of these teams are too good for the coaches to get votes but who else could get it, maybe if Amare comes back and the Suns go to the finals this year then I guess Dantoni should get it. I don't know can't decide on COTY right now so I'll just leave it open. All my other picks still stand. Any thoughts?

Originally posted by RZA
Glad to see you're finally seeing it my way Myth, remember when you said this and I responded?

Originally posted by Myth
You realize they take record into consideration, right? They pretty much never give the MVP to somebody on a team that is not at least the 4th best record. That is unless you think Lakers will be one of the top teams this season even after their 5-7 start.

I know, I thought about it as I made my pick, I really don't know who else should get it who's on a winning team.

Should Duncan get it? No way, this years Spurs team is far too good for him to get MVP.

Should Shaq get it? Again the Heat are too good this year and in case no one has noticed they're winning without him.

So who should get it?

Well, if the Lakers do finish at the top then definitely Kobe should get it.

If the T-Wolves finish high up there then I think KG should definitely get it.

How about Dirk with Dallas? I predict them to finish second in the West overall.

How about Ron Artest? I predict that the Pacers will win the East this year with him back.

The team's winning record does play a big factor in the decision but remember more importantly it has to be a team that really needs that player or else they lose without him. It also has to do a lot with dominating key stats. Case in point the Bulls, the reason why Jordan won MVP so many times, wasn't just because he dominated almost every statistical category but also because he was on a team that with the exception of Pippen, was just average. Take Jordan off the team and they're no longer a good team.

All valid. I still believe that "They pretty much never give the MVP to somebody on a team that is not at least the 4th best record." Pretty much means not always though and this is one season where I see an exception. And Dirk may be my #2 pick for MVP so far this season. He is the one constant that has to do much of the crap himself for a top 4 team. As for Duncan, he hasn't been the best on his team this year due to foot problems so he definitely shouldn't get MVP (Parker is their best consistant player thus far this year although the play still runs through Duncan).

Poor Jonathan Bender and the Pacers. Bender retired at age 25 because of constant knee problems. He was always considered to have a ton of potential and Pacers were up to the beginning of this year offered good players for him. So Pacers got screwed but it really sucks for Bender.

Pistons are about to lose to Pacers though despite not having O'Neal. Looks like it was because of Jackson and the bench.

Originally posted by Myth
Poor Jonathan Bender and the Pacers. Bender retired at age 25 because of constant knee problems. He was always considered to have a ton of potential and Pacers were up to the beginning of this year offered good players for him. So Pacers got screwed but it really sucks for Bender.

Pistons are about to lose to Pacers though despite not having O'Neal. Looks like it was because of Jackson and the bench.

It's kinda of ironic that he retires because the Raptors drafted him, traded him to Indy for Davis, then Davis got traded to the Bulls for Rose, and then Rose got traded to the Knicks for Davis. That whole cycle started with Bender.

Darth, yah 2007 playoffs baby!!!!. Thiers talk in TO, that theyre trying to get some centre from Portland this offseason.
They need a big man, (like usual), an excellent PG (hopefully in the draft), and some veteren help that dont suck

Originally posted by Smasandian
It's kinda of ironic that he retires because the Raptors drafted him, traded him to Indy for Davis, then Davis got traded to the Bulls for Rose, and then Rose got traded to the Knicks for Davis. That whole cycle started with Bender.

Darth, yah 2007 playoffs baby!!!!. Thiers talk in TO, that theyre trying to get some centre from Portland this offseason.

Thats most likely Theo Ratliff because Blazers really want to hold onto Joel Przybilla and want to unload Theo's too expensive to come off the bench contract.