Saved From Hell
Rev. Howard Storm's near-death experience
Before his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man. He was an avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn't find joy in anything. Anything that wasn't seen, touched, or felt, he had no faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what science said, there was nothing else.
On June 1, 1985, at the age of 38, Howard Storm had a near-death experience due to a perforation of the stomach and his life was forever changed. His near-death experience is one of the most profound, if not the most profound, afterlife experience I have ever documented. His life was so immensely changed after his near-death experience that he resigned as a professor and devoted his time to attending the United Theological Seminary to become a United Church of Christ minister. The following is the account of Pastor Howard Storm's near-death experience, which is an excerpt from his book, My Descent Into Death, reprinted by permission.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Saved From Hell
[B]Rev. Howard Storm's near-death experienceBefore his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man. He was an avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced it. He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn't find joy in anything. Anything that wasn't seen, touched, or felt, he had no faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what science said, there was nothing else.
On June 1, 1985, at the age of 38, Howard Storm had a near-death experience due to a perforation of the stomach and his life was forever changed. His near-death experience is one of the most profound, if not the most profound, afterlife experience I have ever documented. His life was so immensely changed after his near-death experience that he resigned as a professor and devoted his time to attending the United Theological Seminary to become a United Church of Christ minister. The following is the account of Pastor Howard Storm's near-death experience, which is an excerpt from his book, My Descent Into Death, reprinted by permission.
No comment Samura?
Originally posted by Gregory
I'm trying to decide which would be more pathetic; if you're a troll, or if you're sincere. I mean, if you're sincere, it makes the the single dumbest person I've ever encountered, but keeping up a troll persona for almost 2000 posts would be spectacularly sad in its own way.
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Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
No comment Samura?
Well the first comment I felt I should make is how delightful that initial opening was.
I mean it basically was a full stereotype of an Atheist as seen by a religious person.
Before his near-death experience, Rev. Howard Storm, a Professor of Art at Northern Kentucky University, was not a very pleasant man.
Now, if only all those Christians who are also not nice people could have near death experiences to improve their outlooks.
He was an avowed atheist and was hostile to every form of religion and those who practiced it.
Ooooo.
He often would use rage to control everyone around him and he didn't find joy in anything.
Of course that is relevant to his religious standing. Not like a Christian has ever beaten his wife to death or a Muslim acted as a suicide bomber.
Anything that wasn't seen, touched, or felt, he had no faith in. He knew with certainty that the material world was the full extent of everything that was. He considered all belief systems associated with religion to be fantasies for people to deceive themselves with. Beyond what science said, there was nothing else.
I say, what an unreasonable man!
On June 1, 1985, at the age of 38, Howard Storm had a near-death experience due to a perforation of the stomach and his life was forever changed.
Near death... doesn't one need to be dead and be judged to be sent to hell? And isn't that kind of permanent?
His near-death experience is one of the most profound, if not the most profound, afterlife experience I have ever documented.
These people are as bad as DBZ fighters sometimes:
"This is the most profound NDE I have ever heard of. Now buy my books listing all the other most profound NDE I have had the pleasure of being told about."
His life was so immensely changed after his near-death experience that he resigned as a professor and devoted his time to attending the United Theological Seminary to become a United Church of Christ minister. The following is the account of Pastor Howard Storm's near-death experience, which is an excerpt from his book, My Descent Into Death, reprinted by permission.
Sounds sane and rational. Got to love those people who leave behind everything they have worked for due to something that happened while unconscious and in a bad way on the operating table. Certainly there are no way it could be a natural thing caused by varied complications that effect the mind... Oh wait!
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
Well the first comment I felt I should make is how delightful that initial opening was.I mean it basically was a full stereotype of an Atheist as seen by a religious person.
Now, if only all those Christians who are also not nice people could have near death experiences to improve their outlooks.
Ooooo.
Of course that is relevant to his religious standing. Not like a Christian has ever beaten his wife to death or a Muslim acted as a suicide bomber.
I say, what an unreasonable man!
Near death... doesn't one need to be dead and be judged to be sent to hell? And isn't that kind of permanent?
These people are as bad as DBZ fighters sometimes:
"This is the most profound NDE I have ever heard of. Now buy my books listing all the other most profound NDE I have had the pleasure of being told about."
Sounds sane and rational. Got to love those people who leave behind everything they have worked for due to something that happened while unconscious and in a bad way on the operating table. Certainly there are no way it could be a natural thing caused by varied complications that effect the mind... Oh wait!
Samura, I gave you the benefit of the doubt but now I have come to a conclusion about you. Do you read to learn or to find something to carp about? Instead of researching and investigating the authenticity of this man's testimony in a reasonable, objective way, you parsed nearly every sentence of this man's introduction. Have I not said numerous times that that is all you do? You don't give anything that appears to substantiate the Bible equal time, but yet you affirm that you do. I have said relentlessly that you enter a discussion with one purpose, the intent to discount, discredit, and refute without even trying to learn the facts. You simply come into the discussion with your mind made up. No intelligent, rational, debater does this except you. I don't think that you are capable of being objective to anything that does not reinforce what you already believe. But if an atheistic experience is posted I would wager that you would have no difficulty or qualms about lapping that testimony up, followed by you licking your fingers for more. Here is how it works with you. Christian testimony comes in and your mind automatically starts looking for something to refute and carp about (when in reality you should be trying to be as objective as possible). I have figured you out: you are not a seeker of truth, but an argumentalist. Some argue for the sake of arriving at the truth but you seem to contend for sake of contending. There are people who are seekers of truth (regardless of what it is, they don't care as long as it is the truth) and then there are those who just like to argue. You are in the latter category. You know, I think that since I have you pegged that there is no longer any need to converse with you about salvation through Christ (are you elated and happy now?).
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[COLOR=darkblue]Samura, I gave you the benefit of the doubt but now I have come to a conclusion about you. Do you read to learn or to find something to carp about?
I read because I like reading. Hopefully I get something out of it. Be it enjoyment, a knowledge boost, something. Sometimes though I get nothing but the chance to "carp."
Instead of researching and investigating the authenticity of this man's testimony in a reasonable, objective way, you parsed nearly every sentence of this man's introduction.
I have done a lot of research since coming to uni. And before uni. Listened to people talk, read what people wrote, extrapolated, analysed, categorised, graphed and all the rest.
I believe I have developed something of a danger sense, something most good students get. As a result I will treat any text that would loose me marks if I used it as a reference with some caution and a pinch of salt. The question is - did you research this mans statement? Did you read the book, then read the journal articles written by critics then read the authors rebuttals? Did you verify the facts, access the statistics, correlate and dissect them?
I looked at the link, I read the posted introduction. The points I made are valid, and once again instead of rebutting them you choose this path - answer why the author feels the need to play into the old "Atheist stereotype." Or how this account flies in the face of common Christian belief - you get judged on death: thats it. He wasn't even dead.
Have I not said numerous times that that is all you do? You don't give anything that appears to substantiate the Bible equal time, but yet you affirm that you do.
Not that I remember. Why just yesterday you were complementing me. And I do give the Bible and your sources equal time. And approaching them with an open and analytical mind - the same mind I have to approach all sources I work with - reveals they fall woefully short of anything approaching proof. It seems to be you that does not give equal time to texts that don't agree with your stance. Nor to you look deeply at the ones that do and ask question. You. just. accept.
So either you want me to do what I always have - look at them rationally and with the research skills I have picked up (the right way) or you want me to blindly accept them (the wrong way.)
I have said relentlessly that you enter a discussion with one purpose, the intent to discount, discredit, and refute without even trying to learn the facts.
As above. I approach it like I would any text claiming something. And despite what you say this is not somehow exceptionally or special. If it can't support its claim I will say so. I will identify problems. As it is with this example the problems started with the very introductory text.
You simply come into the discussion with your mind made up. No intelligent, rational, debater does this except you. I don't think that you are capable of being objective to anything that does not reinforce what you already believe.
Funny, I'm not the person who claims "I believe the Bible is true thus I will believe any claims it makes." As I have said a claim doesn't verify itself by claiming it is true - but you believe it is so that is all that matters.
I mean you already implied if I claimed I had had a near death experience featuring Buddha you would not believe it for no other reason then your faith. Is that open minded? Would you give me the benefit of the doubt? No - you would dismiss it faster then I can imagine, or you would claim itr was something else. No way it could be true. Because you and your Bible are right.
But if an atheistic experience is posted I would wager that you would have no difficulty or qualms about lapping that testimony up, followed by you licking your fingers for more.
What is an Atheistic experience? Anyway - no, I would approach it the same as anything else. And since I assume the papers I have to read for uni have been written by both Atheists and religious people I have to research. I don't care who wrote it - I care about their motives, what they are saying, and whether it is accurate.
Post an Atheist claiming he was abducted by aliens and I will deal with it the same as your Christian NDE.
Here is how it works with you. Christian testimony comes in and your mind automatically starts looking for something to refute and carp about (when in reality you should be trying to be as objective as possible). I have figured you out: you are not a seeker of truth, but an argumentalist. Some argue for the sake of arriving at the truth but you seem to contend for sake of contending. There are people who are seekers of truth (regardless of what it is, they don't care as long as it is the truth) and then there are those who just like to argue. You are in the latter category.
Well, if you say so, but what does that make you - the person convinced they already have truth? You to are an argumentist because you don't believe the other side can possibly be right. You have closed off the idea there is more to the world then your narrow view, you aren't here or anywhere seeking because you think you have found all there is to find.
And that is sad. I on the other hand enter each day expecting to learn something new because I know it is I will never know everything. However I wont accept poorly documented, biased and evidenced claims as fact because that isn't learning. And that is something you should remember.
You know, I think that since I have you pegged that there is no longer any need to converse with you about salvation through Christ (are you elated and happy now?).
Ah, you have pegged me? Just as Marcello claims he doesn't have to listen to people who disagrees because they are dead you can refuse to listen because you think I only argue. It is easy to be right when one denies others the right to speak.
It is easy to claim victory when one works under the condition of "anyone who disagrees is just being a biased argumentist, since no reasonable person would disagree with me."
Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
"...Not that I remember. Why just yesterday you were complementing me. And I do give the Bible and your sources equal time. And approaching them with an open and analytical mind - the same mind I have to approach all sources I work with - reveals they fall woefully short of anything approaching proof. It seems to be you that does not give equal time to texts that don't agree with your stance. Nor to you look deeply at the ones that do and ask question. You. just. accept...."
This post actually preceded the complement that I gave you.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Samura, I gave you the benefit of the doubt but now I have come to a conclusion about you. Do you read to learn or to find something to carp about? Instead of researching and investigating the authenticity of this man's testimony in a reasonable, objective way, you parsed nearly every sentence of this man's introduction. Have I not said numerous times that that is all you do? You don't give anything that appears to substantiate the Bible equal time, but yet you affirm that you do. I have said relentlessly that you enter a discussion with one purpose, the intent to discount, discredit, and refute without even trying to learn the facts. You simply come into the discussion with your mind made up. No intelligent, rational, debater does this except you. I don't think that you are capable of being objective to anything that does not reinforce what you already believe. But if an atheistic experience is posted I would wager that you would have no difficulty or qualms about lapping that testimony up, followed by you licking your fingers for more. Here is how it works with you. Christian testimony comes in and your mind automatically starts looking for something to refute and carp about (when in reality you should be trying to be as objective as possible). I have figured you out: you are not a seeker of truth, but an argumentalist. Some argue for the sake of arriving at the truth but you seem to contend for sake of contending. There are people who are seekers of truth (regardless of what it is, they don't care as long as it is the truth) and then there are those who just like to argue. You are in the latter category. You know, I think that since I have you pegged that there is no longer any need to converse with you about salvation through Christ (are you elated and happy now?).
Also, I commended your demeanor in terms of how you comport yourself relative to others. I did not commend your approach as it relates to how you deal with information that is presented to you for evaluation.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
This post actually preceded the complement that I gave you.Also, I commended your demeanor in terms of how you comport yourself relative to others. I did not commend your approach as it relates to how you deal with information that is presented to you for evaluation.
Which is fine though here once again you fail to deal with the rest of the post, preferring to stick to the areas that fail to deal with anything of consequence that might require the dealing with the tough issues.
Such as why I should approach the claim made by a NDE differently then the claims of a historical figure or a psychologist. It has nothing to do with the religion or politics of the claimant - it rests on the claim itself and what it has to validate it. Ultimatly the onus is on the one pressing the case.
It happens and some of us get lucky enough to get a second chance 🙂 I was dead for 23 minutes as a passenger in a tragic car accident.September18,2006 and yes it caused irreversible frontal and temporal lobe brain damage and three years later,I'm writing this reply while enjoying a nice white chocolate/caramel frappe' at my local coffee shop🙂This was a great book and the video below was awesome.We,all of us,will never leave this life until complete the goal that was set upon us at birth🙂God is awesome!Peace,Love,and Light🙂
Originally posted by FracturedMind06
It happens and some of us get lucky enough to get a second chance I was dead for 23 minutes as a passenger in a tragic car accident.September18,2006 and yes it caused irreversible frontal and temporal lobe brain damage and three years later,I'm writing this reply while enjoying a nice white chocolate/caramel frappe' at my local coffee shopThis was a great book and the video below was awesome.We,all of us,will never leave this life until complete the goal that was set upon us at birthGod is awesome!Peace,Love,and Light
Either you're a troll or your about to have a lot of jokes made at your expense . . .