Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea g.These people are seriously Underestimating HOM Wanda.
Flash can't do squat to Wanda.
I'll concede that Reed would lose the UN to Flash.
But Wanda will erase Flash, sooner or later.
No offense, but I think you're the one SEVERELY underestimating Flash here.
I know what HOM Wanda can do. I also know what Flash can do.
Flash kicks her ass. Hard. 1000000000 times. Before she even realizes she's dead.
She's not unbeatable. It's obvious that the arrow just plain didn't kill her immediately. She had just enough consciousness to use her power to rewrite her both her injuries and the arrow away.
Had the arrow killed her immediately, well...that's it. She'd be dead.
In my opinion, Hawkeye messed up. He should've gone for the head-shot.
Originally posted by galan7777777
you are right i dont know if he can move faster then the speed of thought, but remember the fact that flash is 1000's of times faster then the speed of light (mabye more), and he can actually run to the end of time (this is how he beat BF, because at the end of time death had no meaning)
It takes Wanda 20 - 30 milliseconds to Think, STOP.
The Universe has a distance of atleast 10 Billion Light Years,
the Milky Way is somewhere around the middle,
he has to dash atleast 5 Billion Light years within atleast 30 milliseconds to jump out of the Universe.
They wanted to get technical with their pico measurements, let's do it.
Originally posted by Mr Master
It takes Wanda 20 - 30 milliseconds to Think, STOP.The Universe has a distance of atleast 10 Billion Light Years,
the Milky Way is somewhere around the middle,
he has to dash atleast 5 Billion Light years within atleast 30 milliseconds to jump out of the Universe.They wanted to get technical with their pico measurements, let's do it.
Originally posted by Mr Masterlol, i see what u mean, there is no doubt that flash can do it, but probably not in 30 milliseconds
It takes Wanda 20 - 30 milliseconds to Think, STOP.The Universe has a distance of atleast 10 Billion Light Years,
the Milky Way is somewhere around the middle,
he has to dash atleast 5 Billion Light years within atleast 30 milliseconds to jump out of the Universe.They wanted to get technical with their pico measurements, let's do it.
The speed feat
http://img237.imageshack.us/my.php?...la89pg012jd.jpg
Heres the math for it now
Originally posted by Mindship
[B]I watch Pokemon
Good job for posting the actual in-panel data.Mindship
For shame that you quoted someone who misquoted the comic.
It is .00001 microseconds, not .0001 seconds. In other words, Flash did this, not in 1/10,000 of a second, but in 1/100,000,000,000 -- one-hundred-billionth -- of a second.
(Damn! For shame again for getting the speed-of-light wrong, too!)So...532,000 x 70 x 100,000,000,000 divided by 186,000 = (about)...
20 trillion times lightspeed.This means (among other things, and assuming I did my math right this time):
1. Flash could run to the nearest star and back (4.3 lightyears) in about 1/100,000 second. Or, do 100,000 round trips to Alpha Centauri in 1 full second.
2. Round trip to the nearest major galaxy -- Andromeda, about 2,300,000 lightyears away -- in about 7 seconds.
3. To the edge of the observable universe, and back (a round trip of about 28 billion lightyears), in less than 4 days.Now That's freakin' fast.
DC comics
Shame on you, then, for calling this "near-light travel." [/B]
And Flash doesn't need to build up speed heres the evidence
Originally posted by Juntai
In the fight against Hunter where he did the "My fists hit with the power of a white dwarf star" thing, he was at lightspeed pretty instantly. He mentions Hunter moving first, and that Hunter gained a billionth of a second head start, and by the time he catches him- which judging by where the fight ends, was only a couple feet -- he was already lightspeed. In this fight he was even staggered by the vibrating hand death touch and was still lightspeed by the time he swung his hand.Without moving, Flash could already have himself lightspeed by accelerating his molocules before he ever starts moving his legs when the race begins. Likewise, he could already be tapping into the speedforce, by the time someone says go.
If he cites the code and uses his abilities to their fullest - as he would attempt to do with forum rules. I'm not sure Surfer could keep up.
Want a scan?
Here's Flash standing still, while at the same time moving fast enough to keep up with Zoom between the seconds of our timeline because of the Speed Force Mantra [3x2(9yz)4a].
http://img163.echo.cx/my.php?image=flashv2200page155be.jpgThis is a lot tougher of a discision than you're making it out to be, imo.
Could not Flash use his speed to blitz wanda before she can even think and then steal her kinitic energy and stop her from thinking all together? And then with this time use it to get out of the universe.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
No offense, but I think you're the one SEVERELY underestimating Flash here.
I know what HOM Wanda can do. I also know what Flash can do.
I think not.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Flash kicks her ass. Hard. 1000000000 times. Before she even realizes she's dead.
And Wanda materializes half a Universe away, where she turns Flash into miss pigy.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
She's not unbeatable. It's obvious that the arrow just plain didn't kill her immediately. She had just enough consciousness to use her power to rewrite her both her injuries and the arrow away.
I thnk your rewriting what's on panel.
Seems like she's dead
Notice the arrows Position, right on the side of the Heart,
Hawkeye came to KILL, READ the scan.
But can't die...arrow in her back deconstructs...everything is as was.
"If I couldn't KILL you"......that's right buddy, you couldn't.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Had the arrow killed her immediately, well...that's it. She'd be dead.
You mean well....like this.
After Wanda says, "No more Mutants"...she Obliterates everything
Wanda didn't turn to atoms or molecules or pudding or anything, her FRAIL HUMAN BODY SURVIVED, like nothing ever happened
Wanda SURVIVES Universal Obliteration and Remakes the Universe one last time
If she can take a Universe Exploding in her face, I think she can handle an arrow to the head, wouldn't you say?
Originally posted by Jesse7
Could not Flash use his speed to blitz wanda before she can even think and then steal her kinitic energy and stop her from thinking all together? And then with this time use it to get out of the universe.
By this estimation on the Mindship quote
Flash can run To the edge of the observable universe, and back (a round trip of about 28 billion lightyears), in less than 4 days.
This means it would take him atleast 2 days to run OUT of the Universe, way to much Time for Wanda who controls the Range of a Universe.
Originally posted by Mr Masterbut do u think wanda could stop flash in the time it takes him to cover 30 feet? because they are only 30 feet apart at the start of this battle
By this estimation on the Mindship quoteFlash can run To the edge of the observable universe, and back (a round trip of about 28 billion lightyears), in less than 4 days.
This means it would take him atleast 2 days to run OUT of the Universe, way to much Time for Wanda who controls the Range of a Universe.
Originally posted by galan7777777
but do u think wanda could stop flash in the time it takes him to cover 30 feet? because they are only 30 feet apart during this battle
Not at all.
He will reach her and probably pulvarize her body into mush.
She immediately reforms this time shielded from Flash (like she must've been when the Universe blew up in her face) and erases Flash, who can't possibly run away in time.
It would take him TWO days to run Out of the Universe.
If he continues to bash her body as to not allow her to reform, she'll materialize elsewhere, heck...she has Control of ALL Reality in a Universe.
Originally posted by Mr Masterbut couldnt flash just run forward into time missing wanda's attack completely?
Not at all.He will reach her and probably pulvarize her body into mush.
She immediately reforms this time shielded from Flash (like she must've been when the Universe blew up in her face) and erases Flash, who can't possibly run away in time.
It would take him TWO days to run Out of the Universe.
If he continues to bash her body as to not allow her to reform, she'll materialize elsewhere, heck...she has Control of ALL Reality in a Universe.
Originally posted by galan7777777
but couldnt flash just run forward into time missing wanda's attack completely?
Her attack is ALL Reality, how can he out run that?
Where ever he goes, Wanda controls the air, ground and everything else completely, power over life and death, power over creation.
Every point in Time that has taken place in the Universe, Wanda controls, so if goes to 3000 BC, Wanda is there in sandles and a robe turning him into food for the poor.
Originally posted by Mr Masteryes, but flash has shown the ability to be able to run to the end of existance/time, to a place where not even death can exist......this does take time but im not sure how much time (but its not very long):
Her attack is ALL Reality, how can he out run that?Where ever he goes, Wanda controls the air, ground and everything else completely, power over life and death, power over creation.
Every point in Time that has taken place in the Universe, Wanda controls, so if goes to 3000 BC, Wanda is there in sandles and a robe turning him into food for the poor.
Originally posted by galan7777777
yes, but flash has shown the ability to be able to run to the end of existance/time, to a place where not even death can exist......this does take time but im not sure how much time (but its not very long):
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p140ro.jpg
http://img208.echo.cx/my.php?image=flash141p159li.jpg
Nice scans.
but it takes Flash atleast Two days to run out of the Universe.
Wanda controls every aspect of the Universe, including Time which is part of the Universe.
Flash has no hope.
Originally posted by Mr Masterthanks........ well if wanda can control time to its fullest then she could prevent flash from running forward/backward in the timestream, he would have to stay in the physical plane...... and though he is fast, as u said he could not reach the end of the universe in the time it would take wanda to think about destroying it....his only hope is hitting wanda from 30 feet away when they start (which would splatter her) and then running into the timestream and hope she didnt close it in on him lol!
Nice scans.but it takes Flash atleast Two days to run out of the Universe.
Wanda controls every aspect of the Universe, including Time which is part of the Universe.
Flash has no hope.
Originally posted by galan7777777
....his only hope is hitting wanda from 30 feet away when they start (which would splatter her) and then running into the timestream and hope she didnt close it in on him lol!
Come to think of it, he probably won't even touch her then.
When Hawkeye stuck an arrow in her, she was distracted by Strange in a conversation.
If she's coming to battle, she's not coming unprotected,
she'll withstand anything Flash does physically,
just like she withstood a Universe exploding in her face.
Originally posted by Mr Masterwell mabye, if she could manifest some sort of shield before flash could hit her from 30 feet away (which would be very hard) then she could win, but what we are both forgetting it that unless flash grabs the UN first then reed will destroy both flash and wanda with the click of a button
Come to think of it, he probably won't even touch her then.When Hawkeye stuck an arrow in her, she was distracted by Strange in a conversation.
If she's coming to battle, she's not coming unprotected,
she'll withstand anything Flash does physically,
just like she withstood a Universe exploding in her face.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Nice scans.but it takes Flash atleast Two days to run out of the Universe.
Wanda controls every aspect of the Universe, including Time which is part of the Universe.
Flash has no hope.
Flash can tap into limitless speed; Flash has gone 20 trillion times the speed of light. That doesn鈥檛 mean it鈥檚 the fastest he can go. Theoretically he can tap into enough speed to run out of the Universe in less than a picosecond and tap into that much speed in an instant. There鈥檚 no limit to how fast Flash can move.
Originally posted by I watch Pokemon
Flash can tap into limitless speed; Flash has gone 20 trillion times the speed of light. That doesn鈥檛 mean it鈥檚 the fastest he can go. Theoretically he can tap into enough speed to run out of the Universe in less than a picosecond and tap into that much speed in an instant. There鈥檚 no limit to how fast Flash can move.
I'm sure he can reach any speed he wishes.
But, according to this very cool estimation courtesy of Mindship:
Flash did this, in 1/100,000,000,000 -- one-hundred-billionth -- of a second.
So...532,000 x 70 x 100,000,000,000 divided by 186,000 = (about)...
20 trillion times lightspeed.
This means
1. Flash could run to the nearest star and back (4.3 lightyears) in about 1/100,000 second. Or, do 100,000 round trips to Alpha Centauri in 1 full second.
2. Round trip to the nearest major galaxy -- Andromeda, about 2,300,000 lightyears away -- in about 7 seconds.
3. To the edge of the observable universe, and back (a round trip of about 28 billion lightyears), in less than 4 days.
And this means it would take him atleast less than 2 days to run out of the Universe, (in an escape attempt), cause he can't hurt her.
