Can Satan be Forgiven?

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
No he's not. Evil is a force, not a person. He is also God's child. If he is truly evil incarnate, then God is imperfect, because he gave birth to this evil.

Evil is either a state of mind, a choice, or a behavior, but it is not a person....Satan just practices "evil" but he is not the force itself. Otherwise, what would that make God? The literal creator of evil, and a hypocrit.

If Satan is truly sorry, then yes God can forgive him, as it is God's law that he must forgive those who ask for it. However, if Satan is never sorry, then he will never beg for forgiveness, and it won't happen.

But the question itself is...[b]CAN God do it ? Or is it beyond his ability? [/B]

If satan was truley sorry for what he had done, then I think God could forgive him.

God is always willing to forgive if you are truley sorry

Satan only means in the Hebrew "accuser, adversary", not tormentor.

All god myth stories have an adversary, even comic book heros.

Without it...the story doesn't function.

And we'd all be a lot happier too..............

i'd agree.

Originally posted by mattrab
According to christian theology, God is an all-loving God? So therefore can he forgive Satan, and can Satan still have a place in Heaven?

Can Satan forgive God, and can they live happily ever after in Hell? 😄

If I were satan, I would be really really mad..........vexed actually..........I'd screw up everything and take god to court, and sue his ass off......yep.

Sueing is bad....bad for society. No monetary gains should be made.

Originally posted by Alliance
Sueing is bad....bad for society. No monetary gains should be made.

He should be forgiven because I opened one of those doors at the flea market, to see something i've never seen before, and it told me god really wants to forgive all sinners... C'mon big guy, give satan a break.

Originally posted by Alliance
But satan is trapped by gods will...

Even more reason to find every loop hole available. Show up the claim of free will and all that, because surely then Satan if an image of how little free will a person could ever have with the concept of an omniscient and omnipresent God.

Originally posted by Lord Urizen
So God is not omniscient either ?

* yes, God is NOT omniscient...

"And they have built the high place of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind."
Jeremiah 7:31

"And have built the high places of Ba'al to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Ba'al, which I did not command or decree, nor did it come into my mind;"
Jeremiah 19:5

* if God is omniscient, He should not have created Satan in the first place...

"And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day."
Genesis 1:31

* the intent of God was to create good... evil was not part of His plan... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* yes, God is NOT omniscient...

"And they have built the high place of Topheth, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I did not command, nor did it come into my mind."
Jeremiah 7:31

"And have built the high places of Ba'al to burn their sons in the fire as burnt offerings to Ba'al, which I did not command or decree, nor did it come into my mind;"
Jeremiah 19:5

* if God is omniscient, He should not have created Satan in the first place...

"And God saw everything that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day."
Genesis 1:31

* the intent of God was to create good... evil was not part of His plan... 😉

I find the idea of a fallible God, who was unable to create perfectly far more comforting then the idea of the omniscient and omnipotent one.

Now he just has to stop acting like he is perfect, and accept mistakes can be made come to terms with the fact he does not know everything.

* God created everything perfect... but He does not want us to be like remote-controlled robots... He gave us the gift of the power of free will...

"I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before thee life and death, the blessing and the curse: therefore choose life, that thou mayest live, thou and thy seed;"
Deuteronomy 30:19

* God gave us the power to choose between life and death, blessing and curse... but He gave a recommendation - choose life... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* God created everything perfect...

So God created evil perfectly.

Sounds like a plan.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So God created evil perfectly.

* nope... wrong conclusion... 😉

Originally posted by peejayd
* nope... wrong conclusion... 😉

SO, god did not create everything perfect.

Make up your mind...

Originally posted by peejayd
* God created everything perfect... but He does not want us to be like remote-controlled robots... He gave us the gift of the power of free will...

"I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before thee life and death, the blessing and the curse: therefore choose life, that thou mayest live, thou and thy seed;"
Deuteronomy 30:19

* God gave us the power to choose between life and death, blessing and curse... but He gave a recommendation - choose life... 😉

That is illogical. Someone can not create something perfect that is capable of being so fundamentally flawed and imperfect. And the Bible goes on about how we aren't perfect and so on. And the earth most certainly isn't perfect.

Now this leads to three possible conclusions - If God is perfect his creation would be incapable of being flawed unless he willed it so - that is he created evil to be here.

Or: God is not perfect and while he created the best he could it is none the less not perfect.

Or: God is perfect, yet unable to actually create something perfect due to something fundemental in what he is creating.

Originally posted by Imperial_Samura
That is illogical. Someone can not create something perfect that is capable of being so fundamentally flawed and imperfect. And the Bible goes on about how we aren't perfect and so on. And the earth most certainly isn't perfect.

Now this leads to three possible conclusions - If God is perfect his creation would be incapable of being flawed unless he willed it so - that is he created evil to be here.

Or: God is not perfect and while he created the best he could it is none the less not perfect.

Or: God is perfect, yet unable to actually create something perfect due to something fundemental in what he is creating.