Originally posted by galan7777777
xavier wins, he has already wiped magneto's mind and turned him into a vegetable once before
Um...... yeah, too bad that was during his fight with the entire X-Men squad, and after Wolverine stabbed Magneto in the gut. Wolverine even said that Magneto was HOLDING BACK and that it was a BIG MISTAKE. And Xavier almost died trying to mind wipe him. Magneto wasn't giving ANY resistence at all at the time. Even without his psychic shielding, he held his own in a telepathic battle against Xavier with nothing but sheer will power. However, it took the combined effort of Jean Grey and Prof X to penetrate Mags' shielding AFTER he was distracted. And he's also used his EM powers to jam Jean's telepathic powers, along with the rest of the X-Men telepaths. Magneto ftw. 🙂
Originally posted by Metalmanx
You don't think that Xavier holds back at all?Come on, man. You know better. Xavier isn't called the most powerful telepath on the planet for his health you know.
If he REALLY wanted to, I mean REAAAAAAAAAALLY wanted to (helmet or not), he could pierce Magneto's psyche as quickly as he wants.
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I never said Xavier never holds back. Where the hell did you see that from? However, when Xavier was trying with all his might, and Magneto was resisting with SHEER will power, it was pretty close. And Xavier needed Jean to penetrate Magneto's psychic shielding and they only managed it AFTER Magneto was distracted. Not to mention the fact that he jammed the X-Men's telepath's at once including Jean Grey. And there IS an "*" by the feat when he mindwiped Erik. Erik was weakened, AND was holding back, AND didn't have his helmet or his psychic shielding up. Xavier THEN mind wiped him, and nearly killed himself in the process.
And you saying that if Xavier "really wanted to," he could pierce Magneto's helmet. Yeah, so? Doesn't mean anything. If Erik REALLY wanted to, he could fry Xavier to a crisp via an EMP, jam his telepathic powers, or give him an aneurysm in his brain. 😉
Originally posted by batdude123Magneto wins, because he has a telepath shielding helmet. But too much Magneproganda to resist.
eerI never said Xavier never holds back. Where the hell did you see that from? However, when Xavier was trying with all his might, and Magneto was resisting with SHEER will power, it was pretty close. And Xavier needed Jean to penetrate Magneto's psychic shielding and they only managed it AFTER Magneto was distracted. Not to mention the fact that he jammed the X-Men's telepath's at once including Jean Grey. And there IS an "*" by the feat when he mindwiped Erik. Erik was weakened, AND was holding back, AND didn't have his helmet or his psychic shielding up. Xavier THEN mind wiped him, and nearly killed himself in the process.
And you saying that if Xavier "really wanted to," he could pierce Magneto's helmet. Yeah, so? Doesn't mean anything. If Erik REALLY wanted to, he could fry Xavier to a crisp via an EMP, jam his telepathic powers, or give him an aneurysm in his brain. 😉
Jean Grey was only brought with Charles to Avalon as he was heavily strained and weakened due to the exoskeleton that allowed him to walk, which consequently hindered his powers. Sure Magneto was holding back when Xavier was mindwiping him into a vegetable, that's entirely plausible. Who would resist being mindwiped, that's just inconceivably silly. This being in the same arc in which Charles usurped Magneto's powers and flung him and Avalon into space.
In Eve of Destruction by Magneto's own admission Charles easily shuts off Magneto's powers.
Exodus was conveniently present when "Magneto jammed the telepaths". Namely Jean. Who was still talking to the others by telepathy. 😑