You...you guys know that the helmet doesn't have anything to do with the his defenses in 616? It's only in movies. Ask any Magneto expert with this. I read every Magneto appearence because of the tourney. And not ONCE is his helmet mentioned to do that. The whole Eve of Destruction arc wasn't very well written anyway.
Here are just some of his psychic feats...
Here he simply jams the powers of every X-Man and psychics.
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/1695/magelectromagneticjamspsionicsdt1.jpg
He could also deflect the psychic energy somewhere else...
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2936/magreflectspsychicpowerandreversesgravitygv0.jpg
Here Xavier needs Jean's help to break through his defenses...
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/5291/tbreakthroughhispsychicdefensessc0.jpg
Here he takes every iota of Xavier's powers...and survives it. Isn't even knocked out. Yeah, he could not take another, but guess what would happen in the time Xavier would try to do another attack like that? Magneto would still have enough power left to manipulate his blood.
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/331/magtakesallxavierspowerwj4.jpg
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7338/magtakesallxavierspower2on1.jpg
Even while surprised, he can still take his attack and go toe to toe with him...
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/83/maggoestelepathicallyagainstxlz5.jpg
Magneto wins 9/10. Even without helmet. His defenses are just that goddamn good.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You...you guys know that the helmet doesn't have anything to do with the his defenses in 616? It's only in movies. Ask any Magneto expert with this. I read every Magneto appearence because of the tourney. And not ONCE is his helmet mentioned to do that. The whole Eve of Destruction arc wasn't very well written anyway.Here are just some of his psychic feats...
Here he simply jams the powers of every X-Man and psychics.
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/1695/magelectromagneticjamspsionicsdt1.jpgHe could also deflect the psychic energy somewhere else...
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/2936/magreflectspsychicpowerandreversesgravitygv0.jpgHere Xavier needs Jean's help to break through his defenses...
http://img373.imageshack.us/img373/5291/tbreakthroughhispsychicdefensessc0.jpgHere he takes every iota of Xavier's powers...and survives it. Isn't even knocked out. Yeah, he could not take another, but guess what would happen in the time Xavier would try to do another attack like that? Magneto would still have enough power left to manipulate his blood.
http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/331/magtakesallxavierspowerwj4.jpg
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7338/magtakesallxavierspower2on1.jpgEven while surprised, he can still take his attack and go toe to toe with him...
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/83/maggoestelepathicallyagainstxlz5.jpgMagneto wins 9/10. Even without helmet. His defenses are just that goddamn good.
Bull. His helmet has always been the reason for his psi-shielding. Sure, over time he's developed an incredible will and even some laten psychic ability. But this is Xavier we're talking about.
His previous feats in all of his years in the comics contradict all of that. Powerful will or not, up against Xavier Magneto should be demolished.
For that blast of "every iota of Xavier's power", it's clear that his magnetic shields (which he has up pretty much always) took the major blunt of that attack. He was so drained, down to his last drop of power. Had he just taken the attack without his magnetic shield, it would've destroyed him. Which, for this fight (I assume) is just what will happen. Unless Magneto gets unfair prep.
Utter bull.
Xavier wins.
I like how it's now cool to post pics of Erik deflecting/jamming Bush League Telepaths and weakened Charles still owning his ass like it's the same as taking on the real thing. And why would you post a pic of Charles holding natural convesation and being aware of what's going on in his surroundings beating Mags like it's nothing like it's a feat?
Magneto can't beat Prof. Even out of character the best he can muster is a 50/50 win as it all depends on who can get the first shot.
What are you smoking, BRob? How is Xavier beating Magneto like nothing in ANY of the examples? You are talking about this?
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/83/maggoestelepathicallyagainstxlz5.jpg
Xavier took Magneto BY SUPRISE. He attacked him suddenly, and Magneto was still taking him on. And guess what?
Nothing about helmet mentioned. His sheer willpower took him on.
And weakened Charles?
Where?
Originally posted by Metalmanx
Bull. His helmet has always been the reason for his psi-shielding. Sure, over time he's developed an incredible will and even some laten psychic ability. But this is Xavier we're talking about.
Okay. Show me. Show me where it says that his helmet does it. Handbook? Check out MarvelDirectory. Check out every - appearence - of - Magneto, like I have. You'll see that I am right. Ask Demigawd or MightilyOats of SHC. Magneto's helmet does not have anything to do with his psi-shield. Check all the examples I have shown.
Nothing about his helmet even mentioned. Only in movies.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
His previous feats in all of his years in the comics contradict all of that. Powerful will or not, up against Xavier Magneto should be demolished.
Not if Magneto knows the man better then anyone. And has years of experience of dealing with him and his powers. This is Magneto we are talking about. There is an entire issue of his willpower matching with DOCTOR DOOM himself. Doom, who, has been immune for mental attacks ranging from Purple Man to cosmic characters.
Magneto is known for psychics being largely ineffective against him when he is at full power. His powers give him natural shields. Like you see at my examples above...in most of them, he has had zero time to put up his shields. His natural ones are always on. For gods sake, Magneto survived an mental blast from Galactus. Magneto himself has mental powers.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
For that blast of "every iota of Xavier's power", it's clear that his magnetic shields (which he has up pretty much always) took the major blunt of that attack. He was so drained, down to his last drop of power. Had he just taken the attack without his magnetic shield, it would've destroyed him. Which, for this fight (I assume) is just what will happen. Unless Magneto gets unfair prep.
So, Xavier is going to unleash all his power at him in this fight too? Despite the fact that it required specific manipulation from Stryker to take out his mental blocks?
Originally posted by MetalmanxHe does, if you ignore the fact that Magneto has his mental shields on all the time, seeing as he has survived every psychic surprise attack when he has been on full power.
Utter bull.Xavier wins.
Every time psychic powers have worked on him, he has either:
A) Been battling a huge team of enemies, thus distracted
or
B) Is vastly injured.
His shields hold long enough for him to finish Xavier. Xavier has no resistance against Magneto's powers.
Not good enough for Magneto. 😐
He's taken Jean Grey's (the green suit Phoenix incarnation) surprise blasts and survived with no trouble.
Seriously, do you think it will take more time for Magneto to kill Xavier then it takes Xavier to get through his psychic shields? He has them on all the time. He's taken unaware, he has survived them. Xavier has one way of killing him. Magneto has thousands. Pick your poison from them, but Magneto's kill will come faster. He doesn't need to break through anything to kill Xavier. Whereas Xavier has to break through psychic defenses that are probably top 3 on comics.
Originally posted by batdude123
If he wasn't holding back, how could Wolverine possibly be able to get close enough to gut him? 😖hifty: 😛 😱And no, there's a difference between what you like to think of as "comic hyperbole," and what Wolverine was saying.
1st because he's Wolverine, nuff said there.
2nd maybe he didn't feel Wolverine was a threat. More importantly Wolverine isn't Magento so him saying he's holding back is poop.
otherwise Spiderman said Sentry ran Galactus off.
Superman said MM is more powerful then he is
blah blah blah etc etc
Without a helmet Magneto loses
With a helmet Magneto wins.
What are you smoking, BRob? How is Xavier beating Magneto like nothing in ANY of the examples? You are talking about this?http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/...againstxlz5.jpg
Xavier took Magneto BY SUPRISE. He attacked him suddenly, and Magneto was still taking him on. And guess what?
Nothing about helmet mentioned. His sheer willpower took him on.
And weakened Charles?
Where?
He's beating him like nothing in that very scan. Whenever X goes all out in a psychic confrontation (or is using his psychic power to the fullest) he's completely oblivious to what's going on in the real world (unless he's doing something like holding the thought). Here he's holding active conversation and noting the bolts coming lose while telling her that Mags is weakening. And I'm trying to remember which ish that comic is but if it's what I'm thinking of then Mags wasn't exactly off his guard when Charles took him.
And weakened Charles was when he had the harness to allow him to walk. He was weakened so he used Jean Grey to help boost him back to his normal level.
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Not good enough for Magneto. 😐He's taken Jean Grey's (the green suit Phoenix incarnation) surprise blasts and survived with no trouble.
Seriously, do you think it will take more time for Magneto to kill Xavier then it takes Xavier to get through his psychic shields? He has them on all the time. He's taken unaware, he has survived them. Xavier has one way of killing him. Magneto has thousands. Pick your poison from them, but Magneto's kill will come faster. He doesn't need to break through anything to kill Xavier. Whereas Xavier has to break through psychic defenses that are probably top 3 on comics.
In the past if the situation is dire or X is really pissed it's been shown that Mags psychic shielding is really nothing to him (helmet included). And X has taken Phoenix blasts too GTFOH with that GAHBAGE
Originally posted by B dot Rob
He's beating him like nothing in that very scan. Whenever X goes all out in a psychic confrontation (or is using his psychic power to the fullest) he's completely oblivious to what's going on in the real world (unless he's doing something like holding the thought). Here he's holding active conversation and noting the bolts coming lose while telling her that Mags is weakening. And I'm trying to remember which ish that comic is but if it's what I'm thinking of then Mags wasn't exactly off his guard when Charles took him.
Yeah, he was. Read the issue. He was not aware of Xavier even being there.
And he is still not beating him like nothing. He is straining. You can notice it from his speech.
Originally posted by B dot Rob
And weakened Charles was when he had the harness to allow him to walk. He was weakened so he used Jean Grey to help boost him back to his normal level.
Still, they did not break through him until Magneto was so weak that he could barely stand.
Hell the soul reason Mags even got the helmet is because he KNOWS that his willpower alone means shit to X.
Nice. Where in the comics was that stated?
Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Show.Me.
Where?
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Magneto_%28Magnus%29
Look under "Paraphernalia". Obviously.
So, as I was saying earlier...
Xavier wins the majority. He's pierced the helmet before.
Yeah, he was. Read the issue. He was not aware of Xavier even being there.And he is still not beating him like nothing. He is straining. You can notice it from his speech.
That's the problem I can't remember off hand the ish is but if I did I'm pretty sure I could more then refute the claim oh and X just about always talks like that when he's in the astral plain as it does take a bit of concentration for him to merely project the image
but when he's going all out he's completely dead to the real world as seen here
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9236/z2an5.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3853/z3tt1.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9660/z4ms2.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170//z5jp2.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3758/z6to8.jpg
Nice. Where in the comics was that stated?
Pretty much every comic in the history of comicdom where it's asked why he got the helmet in the first place jawdrop.
Show.Me.
Where?
Based on the off hand scans that are already convienently placed in the respect thread (credit goes to xmarksthespot for these though by the time I'm finished I hope to have at least three more instances that I can vaguely think of)
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=59gf1.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=60rj7.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=61si3.jpg
X gets pissed Magneto gets owned. Just the way it is.
Originally posted by B dot Rob
That's the problem I can't remember off hand the ish is but if I did I'm pretty sure I could more then refute the claim oh and X just about always talks like that when he's in the astral plain as it does take a bit of concentration for him to merely project the imagebut when he's going all out he's completely dead to the real world as seen here
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9236/z2an5.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3853/z3tt1.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9660/z4ms2.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170//z5jp2.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3758/z6to8.jpg
Pretty much every comic in the history of comicdom where it's asked why he got the helmet in the first place jawdrop.
Based on the off hand scans that are already convienently placed in the respect thread (credit goes to xmarksthespot for these though by the time I'm finished I hope to have at least three more instances that I can vaguely think of)
http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=59gf1.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=60rj7.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=61si3.jpg
X gets pissed Magneto gets owned. Just the way it is.
Hey, great scans there, BDR. I'm with you on this one. As I'm sure you saw already.
Originally posted by Metalmanx
http://www.marvel.com/universe/Magneto_%28Magnus%29Look under "Paraphernalia". Obviously.
So, as I was saying earlier...
Xavier wins the majority. He's pierced the helmet before.
Sorry, that one can be edited by fans. I have edited some articles there myself. I could go and change it myself. It is just another misguided fan there.
Until I see a mention in comics, that does not hold.
Originally posted by B dot Rob
That's the problem I can't remember off hand the ish is but if I did I'm pretty sure I could more then refute the claim oh and X just about always talks like that when he's in the astral plain as it does take a bit of concentration for him to merely project the image
No, no it's not. I can show you scans of him making astral form with no trouble at all, would you like so?
Originally posted by B dot Rob
but when he's going all out he's completely dead to the real world as seen herehttp://img170.imageshack.us/img170/9236/z2an5.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/3853/z3tt1.jpg
http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/9660/z4ms2.jpg
That is just him entering the astral plane, place where only the psychics can enter. It's the place for their battles. No use against guys who are not psychics.
Hell, it even says in the comic that Shadow King chooses their site of battle. And it is mentioned that he is in "domain of the mind".
Originally posted by B dot Rob
Pretty much every comic in the history of comicdom where it's asked why he got the helmet in the first place jawdrop.
Again, nice. Show me where? Issue number? Scan? Show me, and I give in. I can accept defeat just fine, you need to learn that to survive at versus forums.
Until that, you have no proof.
Originally posted by B dot Rob
Based on the off hand scans that are already convienently placed in the respect thread (credit goes to xmarksthespot for these though by the time I'm finished I hope to have at least three more instances that I can vaguely think of)http://img181.imageshack.us/my.php?image=59gf1.jpg
http://img227.imageshack.us/my.php?image=60rj7.jpg
http://img170.imageshack.us/my.php?image=61si3.jpg
X gets pissed Magneto gets owned. Just the way it is.
Let's see. Magneto has just been hit by MAJOR energy attack from Bishop (twice, if I may add, without shields and surprised), thrown through the X-Mansion walls WITHOUT shields, had part of his powers absorbed by rogue, attacked by EVERY SINGLE energy powered X-Man there was at the battle, practically fought every X-Man there, and that's a valid feat to you?
Have anything where Magneto was at full power? Like I assume that he in this fight... 😕
Remind me (my memory SUCKS), when has it been stated that Magneto's will power/psychic resistance slips when he gets physically hurt (hell I can show scans of Phoenix burning the hell out of X/him surviving a crash from outer space and his TP being just as potent as always)? When has it been said that being beat down causes his helmet to malfunction and thus allow telepaths in?
And X and Maggie were pretty much fighting with astral projection as that's the only form of TP resistance Mags naturally has. Oh and can you show scans of X making an astral projection while having conversation in the real world? That I'd HAVE to see (it's quite a feat because in every comic with X I've read it's always tough for him to use astral projection while communicating with people on the normal plane).
Oh and please, an issue # for when that Mags stuff happened would be more then adequate (i'd prefer to read the issue on my own).
