Professor X vs Magneto

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Nah. X even said Mags was losing their little confrontation/wasn't focusing 100%. And getting beaten up physically doesn't really make you lose concentration if you are able to hold intelligent conversation moments later.

Umm...yes it does. Pain makes you lose concetration. That is a fact.

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Let me pull a DC and ask when has Magneto ever successfully resisted Charles? One issue one scan. And can that scan please not have X saying Maggie is losing in it?

Well, there are three different instances stating that Magneto takes all Xavier's powers and is not taken out.

http://img490.imageshack.us/img490/331/magtakesallxavierspowerwj4.jpg
http://img463.imageshack.us/img463/7338/magtakesallxavierspower2on1.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/83/maggoestelepathicallyagainstxlz5.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm150page31jd0.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm150page32my6.jpg

None of them has him losing, in all of them he is surprised, and all of them you have already seen. You are fighting a losing battle here. Magneto can take easily Xaviers attack long enough to take him out with a simple thought.

Now show me, where Xavier takes out full power Magneto who isn't weakened or in middle of a battle?

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Hi, 🙂

He's attacked him with his helmet on before. He just hasn't finished him properly unless he is weakened.

The Cerebra/Cerebro thing you might have mixed up with movies/Ultimate. But if such thing exists in 616, no problem.

Probably with the Ultimate then, I desperately try to forget the movies, they're blasphemy.

I need a day more, just found out that my friends has some 80% of my X-men magazines, sorry 'bout that.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
The scan where he takes all power of Xavier's, for example.

He has a natural resistance due to his electromagnetic powers.
He has a natural resistance due to willpower.
He has a resistance due to the helmet - yes on panel. New X-Men #137 Quentin Quire based the helmet that kept Xavier under wraps on Magneto's helmet.

I don't recall seeing reference to being able to erect additional specific psychic shielding other than that which is always present.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
That scan imo refers to physical shields. As Xavier's power appears to attack him both physically and mentally.

He has a natural resistance due to his electromagnetic powers.
He has a natural resistance due to willpower.
He has a resistance due to the helmet - yes on panel. New X-Men #137 Quentin Quire based the helmet that kept Xavier under wraps on Magneto's helmet.

I don't recall seeing reference to being able to erect additional specific psychic shielding other than that which is always present.

IIRC The same thing was mentioned in New X-Men Academy #11/12....by Prodigy when he gave Wolverine a helmet that is similar to Magnetos...which prevents....him using his Telepathic powers...and stealing Wolveys knowledge(Combat skills)...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
IIRC The same thing was mentioned in New X-Men Academy #11/12....by Prodigy when he gave Wolverine a helmet that is similar to Magnetos...which prevents....him using his Telepathic powers...and stealing Wolveys knowledge(Combat skills)...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It's not specifically stated but the helmet is of the style of Magneto's.

Ah cool...I'll post the scans in a few minutes...

This one?

Thank you, xmarksthespot. Still, I think that the movies have something to do with those too - you'll notice that all comics which mention anything like that about Magneto's helmet working like that come after the movies. No other Magneto feat ever tells anything about his shields working. Grant Morrison didn't know jack shit about Magneto anyway...I mean, Magneto sending people in burning ovens...whining all the time and using drugs...🤨

I still think Magneto wins because he has three levels of protection from psionics and Charles doesn't have any real protection from Magneto's abilities. However I think telepathic resistance for a lot of characters *cough*Storm*cough* gets overstated a lot.

Without the helmet I'm giving Xavier the win or a double knockout, the helmet is the only layer that grants actual immunity. Xavier's shown his calibre as a telepath, he can put Magneto down as easily as vice versa. And maintaining consistency imo telepathy is faster than psionic manipulation of the physical world.

Here's another one...

Kind of..another one...okay fine...I posted it because Wolvey gets beat in H2H by an adolescent...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Here's another one...

Yeah, that's the problem I was talking about. Professor X never had any troubles talking to Magneto's head telepathically while he had the helmet. Here is just one of the examples I am talking about.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/83/maggoestelepathicallyagainstxlz5.jpg

Grant Morrison is a great writer, but Magneto was one of those characters he has had troubles with.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yeah, that's the problem I was talking about. Professor X never had any troubles talking to Magneto's head telepathically while he had the helmet. Here is just one of the examples I am talking about.
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/83/maggoestelepathicallyagainstxlz5.jpg

Grant Morrison is a great writer, but Magneto was one of those characters he has had troubles with.

True...there were a few things I hated about his New X-Men run...as for the Mag/drugs thing....wasn't that Xorn...? I mean when he had no helmet...Esme...almost killed him with her slow mind erosion....

I don't think Xavier gets enough respect over the entire forum 🙁

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
True...there were a few things I hated about his New X-Men run...as for the Mag/drugs thing....wasn't that Xorn...? I mean when he had no helmet...Esme...almost killed him with her slow mind erosion....

He intended it to be real Magneto, but (thankfully) Marvel retconned it.

Originally posted by willRules
I don't think Xavier gets enough respect over the entire forum 🙁

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
He intended it to be real Magneto, but (thankfully) Marvel retconned it.

Ah..that makes more sense...at least they had the brains to do that for Mags...but what Marvel did to Exodus is ridiculous...

Yeah...he's just weak these days. 🙁

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I still think Magneto wins because he has three levels of protection from psionics and Charles doesn't have any real protection from Magneto's abilities. However I think telepathic resistance for a lot of characters *cough*Storm*cough* gets overstated a lot.

Without the helmet I'm giving Xavier the win or a double knockout, the helmet is the only layer that grants actual immunity. Xavier's shown his calibre as a telepath, he can put Magneto down as easily as vice versa. And maintaining consistency imo telepathy is faster than psionic manipulation of the physical world.

Right. I can agree with this.

It's always been that damn helmet that gives him the actual immunity against psychics. And that's just kinda sad to even think the opposite.

I'll change my vote to 5/10, however. I still think Xavier has the ability to just obliterate Magneto's mind from the get-go, helmet or not. And, of course, Magneto has his plethora of attacks at his disposal.

Magneto.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

It's always been that damn helmet that gives him the actual immunity against psychics. And that's just kinda sad to even think the opposite.

No it's not, when nothing like that is even mentioned before the movies and Ultimate Universe.

I could show you more examples of people being able to etc. contact him telepathically with his helmet on.

Originally posted by Metalmanx

I'll change my vote to 5/10, however. I still think Xavier has the ability to just obliterate Magneto's mind from the get-go, helmet or not. And, of course, Magneto has his plethora of attacks at his disposal.

It's gonna take him less time to summon all his powers then it takes for Magneto to make all the iron in his blood to go out of his body?