Professor X vs Magneto

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Remind me (my memory SUCKS), when has it been stated that Magneto's will power/psychic resistance slips when he gets physically hurt (hell I can show scans of Phoenix burning the hell out of X and his TP being just as potent as always)? When has it been said that being beat down causes his helmet to malfunction and thus allow telepaths in?

You know that if you get shot in the leg, you can't think as clearly? Pain occupies your attention and takes away your concetration. Magneto did not have any of his shields on, so he got hurt.

And unless you show a comic evidence about that helmet, you are Still. Dead. Wrong. About. It.

One pic. One issue number. That's all it takes.

Do you have such stuff? If you don't, why are you debating against it?

NONE of his feats say anything about the helmet helping it. Only his psychic shields.

Originally posted by B dot Rob
And X and Maggie were pretty much fighting with astral projection as that's the only form of TP resistance Mags naturally has. Oh and can you show scans of X making an astral projection while having conversation in the real world? That I'd HAVE to see (it's quite a feat because in every comic with X I've read it's always tough for him to use astral projection while communicating with people on the normal plane).

...with astral projection, not astral plane. Different thing. Astral projection can be seen by normal humans.

And only time I have seen him have troubles with astral projection is after his powers were unused for more then a year, and every use of his telepathy hurt him. AND the scan says they battle with all the strength and skill they have. And it also states that neither is yelding. Magneto still had enough power to take out X.

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Oh and please, an issue # for when that Mags stuff happened would be more then adequate (i'd prefer to read the issue on my own).

What Mags stuff? I can provide scans for his feats...I can get the issue numbers, although it takes some time. Just tell me what.

Yet, you have absolutely zero proof that his helmet has anything to do with his mind-shielding. It has in the movie, it has in Ultimate Universe, but 616 universe...

It does not.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
You know that if you get shot in the leg, you can't think as clearly? Pain occupies your attention and takes away your concetration. Magneto did not have any of his shields on, so he got hurt.

And unless you show a comic evidence about that helmet, you are [b]Still. Dead. Wrong. About. It.

One pic. One issue number. That's all it takes.

Do you have such stuff? If you don't, why are you debating against it?

NONE of his feats say anything about the helmet helping it. Only his psychic shields.

...with astral projection, not astral plane. Different thing. Astral projection can be seen by normal humans.

And only time I have seen him have troubles with astral projection is after his powers were unused for more then a year, and every use of his telepathy hurt him. AND the scan says they battle with all the strength and skill they have. And it also states that neither is yelding. Magneto still had enough power to take out X.

What Mags stuff? I can provide scans for his feats...I can get the issue numbers, although it takes some time. Just tell me what.

Yet, you have absolutely zero proof that his helmet has anything to do with his mind-shielding. It has in the movie, it has in Ultimate Universe, but 616 universe...

It does not. [/B]

Thanks.

I always know what I am talking about. 😛

That's where research leads you to.

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Again, nice. Show me where? Issue number? Scan? Show me, and I give in. I can accept defeat just fine, you need to learn that to survive at versus forums.

Until that, you have no proof.

Alright, I've played along with you a bit now. But really, DC. You're just trying to make us find a scan out there somewhere that says what we're saying.

You know damn well that's what his helmet is used for. No, it was not "just in the movies". In a roundabout way, the movies were based on the characters themselves. 🙄

But seriously. You know this. It's WHY HE WEARS IT. I SEVERELY doubt the helmet is just a fashion statement, DC. 🙁

well thats y stan lee made it to make eric more menacing.

Wow, I was going to step in, but it seems like DC has got this one covered no problem. He threw a batarang at ALL your asses, and then tied you up. Then, he used an "anti-Xavier fanboy" spray that was on his belt. HE'S DARKCRAWLER!!!! 😛

Originally posted by DarkCrawler
Yet, you have absolutely zero proof that his helmet has anything to do with his mind-shielding. It has in the movie, it has in Ultimate Universe, but 616 universe...

It does not.

Hello again, DC. Whaddup?

Anyways, I can't give you an issue number (makes me sound very professional, doesn't it?), but Magneto's helmet actually stops telepathic assaults. That's why Xavier hasn't been able to search him with Cerebro (or Cerebra) or attack him when Mags has been manhandling the X-men. Give me a day and I'll get an issue number, I'm too drunk to do it now.

Err...then I guess I'll have to use my "Anti-DarckCrawler" spray?

Hey, I've seen Batman pull out weirder things.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Err...then I guess I'll have to use my "Anti-DarckCrawler" spray?

Hey, I've seen Batman pull out weirder things.

The only thing he really did was show that Chucky can easily pierce Mags defenses when he wants to and not his helmet (even though I know it's been stated in the comics the helmet blocks it I just don't feel like going over 500+ comics to prove something that everybody and their mother already knows 😉 ).

Originally posted by B dot Rob
The only thing he really did was show that Chucky can easily pierce Mags defenses when he wants to and not his helmet (even though I know it's been stated in the comics the helmet blocks it I just don't feel like going over 500+ comics to prove something that everybody and their mother already knows 😉 ).

Nah, he punked you. Magneto was even weakened when it happened. And when Xavier caught Magneto unaware from bed w/o his psychic shielding up, he resisted enough to use his powers to push Xavier in the nullyfing field. Xavier loses in SO many different ways it's rediculous. Magneto wins.

I didn't see these scans in this thread so here..more scans to fuel this discussion...:

Originally posted by batdude123
Nah, he punked you. Magneto was even weakened when it happened. And when Xavier caught Magneto unaware from bed w/o his psychic shielding up, he resisted enough to use his powers to push Xavier in the nullyfing field. Xavier loses in SO many different ways it's rediculous. Magneto wins.

Nah. X even said Mags was losing their little confrontation/wasn't focusing 100%. And getting beaten up physically doesn't really make you lose concentration if you are able to hold intelligent conversation moments later.

Let me pull a DC and ask when has Magneto ever successfully resisted Charles? One issue one scan. And can that scan please not have X saying Maggie is losing in it?

Originally posted by B dot Rob
Nah. X even said Mags was losing their little confrontation/wasn't focusing 100%. And getting beaten up physically doesn't really make you lose concentration if you are able to hold intelligent conversation moments later.

Let me pull a DC and ask when has Magneto ever successfully resisted Charles? One issue one scan. And can that scan please not have X saying Maggie is losing in it?

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Okay, first of all, you have YET to show one iota of evidence proving that Magneto's helmet is psychic-proof in the 616 Universe. All you've said was something along the lines of "WELL EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!!!" Please... one scan is all I'm asking for. Humor me.

Second of all, are your scans "proving" Xavier would defeat Magneto, DarkCrawler has countered. The time Xavier mind-wiped Erik was after Magneto was battling every single X-Man at once, and was even AFTER Wolverine stabbed him in the gut. Then, Xavier finally after all that walks up to Erik w/o his psychic shielding up and mind-rapes him. Yeah, really good evidence there Rob. 🙄

Now, even when Xavier caught Magneto UNAWARE FROM BED, Magneto was able to resist Xavier's telepathic asault with nothing but sheer willpower. He didn't even have his psychic shielding up.
http://img197.imageshack.us/my.php?image=maggoestelepathicallyagainstx1.jpg

And here (which Exodus Cloak was so gracious to bring to the table) is Xavier psi-bolting Magneto's mind "with all his power." And yet, Magneto was able to simply knock Xavier the f*ck out by using a piece of metal while his mind was being tampered with AND while he was being attacked by the rest of the X-Men.
http://img524.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm150page31jd0.jpg
http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=uxm150page32my6.jpg

And, Xavier needed Jean Grey's help at penetrating Magneto's psychic shielding. They managed to succeed AFTER Magneto was distracted.
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2509/tbreakthroughhispsychicdefense.jpg

Magneto for the win.

That's all I have to say...

Originally posted by Tron

That's all I have to say...

😂

Originally posted by batdude123
Okay, first of all, you have YET to show one iota of evidence proving that Magneto's helmet is psychic-proof in the 616 Universe. All you've said was something along the lines of "WELL EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT!!!" Please... one scan is all I'm asking for. Humor me.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Alright, I've played along with you a bit now. But really, DC. You're just trying to make us find a scan out there somewhere that says what we're saying.

You know damn well that's what his helmet is used for. No, it was not "just in the movies". In a roundabout way, the movies were based on the characters themselves. 🙄

But seriously. You know this. It's WHY HE WEARS IT. I SEVERELY doubt the helmet is just a fashion statement, DC. 🙁

But it is. I thought that it shielded him from telepathic attacks too, but obviously I wouldn't be debating against it if I had seen proof of it.

As for now, I have yet seen a comic that proves it. Not even X-Men #1.

I am not kidding. The helmet has never even been mentioned to do that for my information.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm. Where does it say that Magneto has specific psychic shielding?

Originally posted by Tshern
Hello again, DC. Whaddup?

Anyways, I can't give you an issue number (makes me sound very professional, doesn't it?), but Magneto's helmet actually stops telepathic assaults. That's why Xavier hasn't been able to search him with Cerebro (or Cerebra) or attack him when Mags has been manhandling the X-men. Give me a day and I'll get an issue number, I'm too drunk to do it now.

Hi, 🙂

He's attacked him with his helmet on before. He just hasn't finished him properly unless he is weakened.

The Cerebra/Cerebro thing you might have mixed up with movies/Ultimate. But if such thing exists in 616, no problem.