Originally posted by lando005
once again your forgetting to take into count how spider-man fights it wont take him more than 10 seconds to know that he's outclassed in power so the he would find another way to beat her he's not just a straight out fighter he uses his enviroment to his advantage as well
His usual tactics as you said using the environment around him, a hit and run tactic and evading his opponent's every move until his opponent begins to tire.
The environment around him (unless it's the Baxter Building full of tech) isn't going to help him. What is going to use against Wonder Girl that can actually hurt her? A car? A building? A hot dog stand? Those will all crumble as soon as they hit her and only merely piss her off.
Hit&Run and Evasion also won't work because A) she's faster than him by several dozen counts B) She has much more manuverability C) She's not stupid. She'll recognize Spidey's evasive style and instead taking the offensive like most of the numbskulls who face Spidey, she'll play defensive as she was trained or use long range attacks.
Spidey is MUCH more likely to tire than WG who can fight for days at non-stop.
Originally posted by Draco69
His usual tactics as you said using the environment around him, a hit and run tactic and evading his opponent's every move until his opponent begins to tire.The environment around him (unless it's the Baxter Building full of tech) isn't going to help him. What is going to use against Wonder Girl that can actually hurt her? A car? A building? A hot dog stand? Those will all crumble as soon as they hit her and only merely piss her off.
Hit&Run and Evasion also won't work because A) she's faster than him by several dozen counts B) She has much more manuverability C) She's not stupid. She'll recognize Spidey's evasive style and instead taking the offensive like most of the numbskulls who face Spidey, she'll play defensive as she was trained or use long range attacks.
Spidey is MUCH more likely to tire than WG who can fight for days at non-stop.
Originally posted by lando005
if spidy manages to drop a few buildings on her she's gonna feel it....
Hardly. She took punches from Diana and Superboy Prime. Dropping a building on her will just muss up her and make a fashion-conscious blonde very angry that her jeans are ripped...
And how pray tell will Spider-Man "drop" a building on her. Even a small one. He's Class 10 to 15. A building's structure is held together by several thousand tons.....
And do honestly think that Cassie will just stand there and LET the building fall on her? She can just fly out of the way....she's faster than sound...
Originally posted by lando005
but he doesnt have to just do that he evad her get into a lab and create something useful for a quick fix on her,
Lab? What lab? What makes you think they're fighting in New York City? They're fighting in a neutral environment.
If you want Spider-Man to get help, than Cassie can get help too. Lab equipment<<<<<<Olympian Gods....
Originally posted by lando005
spider-mans dodged faster opponets than him before
Like Quicksilver? He was slower than Cass...
I have no doubt he can dodge SOME of her blows (and she can easily deflect any of his) but not all of them.
Originally posted by lando005
she should be no diffrent and as far as playing it cool sure that could happen but bast on her personality i'm willing to bet that spider-man can get under her skin enough to make a mistake, if the marvel universe had to vote on who the most annoying irritating person they every had to fight against was spidy would probably be up near the top
Um. NO. She's dealt with Lil' Lobo, Impulse, and god help her Plastic Man and Beast Boy some of the most annoying people in ANY universe...on the same team...of YEARS. She has extradinary resistance to annoying people.
Which isn't even relevant. She's an Amazon warrior. She was taught to ignore the banter of her opponents and focus on the fight.
Originally posted by Draco69
Hardly. She took punches from Diana and Superboy Prime. Dropping a building on her will just muss up her and make a fashion-conscious blonde very angry that her jeans are ripped...And how pray tell will Spider-Man "drop" a building on her. Even a small one. He's Class 10 to 15. A building's structure is held together by several thousand tons.....
And do honestly think that Cassie will just stand there and LET the building fall on her? She can just fly out of the way....she's faster than sound...
Lab? What lab? What makes you think they're fighting in New York City? They're fighting in a neutral environment.[/QUOTE]
and what qualifies as a netural enviroment?
If you want Spider-Man to get help, than Cassie can get help too. Lab equipment<<<<<<Olympian Gods....[/QUOTE]
did i say anything about getting help? hes not calling in the avenges is he? it's still a one on one fight nobody ever said anything about not being resorceful i didnt say she couldnt pick up a building and drop it on spidy nod did i she could do the same thing spider-man has proven that he's very resourceful when he fights that's all i'm saying
Like Quicksilver? He was slower than Cass...[/QUOTE]
the first time spider-man and quicksilver faught quicksilver was than the enegy field defence system being used by the avengers not to mention spiderman's dodged speed demon and a few others faster than quicksilver
I have no doubt he can dodge SOME of her blows (and she can easily deflect any of his) but not all of them. [/QUOTE]
for the most part i'll agree with you here but he would be able to connect some blows on her
Um. NO. She's dealt with Lil' Lobo, Impulse, and god help her Plastic Man and Beast Boy some of the most annoying people in ANY universe...on the same team...of YEARS. She has extradinary resistance to annoying people.
Which isn't even relevant. She's an Amazon warrior. She was taught to ignore the banter of her opponents and focus on the fight. [/QUOTE]
but yet she's still short tempered? not like i'm makeing that part up others have admited it as well she's not perfect she can still slip up
Originally posted by lando005
spiderman has manuverd people into dropping buildings on themselves befor if they were inside when it happend she would be able to get clear of it when it fell in time now would she not if she didnt know it was gonna happen
Yes. Very stupid people like the Rhino.
A) Do really think Cassie is stupid enough to not only not notice a building is falling on her ("Gee, I wonder what the big mass of falling rubble is up in the sky!"😉 much less just use her superspeed to avoid it?
And he can drop as many buildings on her as he likes. It won't help but just annoy her.
Cassie is more likely to THROW an entire building at Spidey.
Originally posted by lando005[QUOTE=7338965]Originally posted by lando005
[B]and what qualifies as a netural enviroment?
A place that obviously doesn't favor an opponent. You stated that Spider-Man will somehow find a lab and know where it is and much less find something useful to use against an extradinary powerful foe.
What lab in the world would help him anyway? He had better hope the STARS lab or Baxter building is nearby...
Originally posted by lando005
did i say anything about getting help? hes not calling in the avenges is he? it's still a one on one fight nobody ever said anything about not being resorceful i didnt say she couldnt pick up a building and drop it on spidy nod did i she could do the same thing spider-man has proven that he's very resourceful when he fights that's all i'm saying
He can be as resourceful as he likes. Unless he by some miracle finds a Phantom Zone projector, there's nothing in a city that will help him against a demigoddess....
Originally posted by lando005
the first time spider-man and quicksilver faught quicksilver was than the enegy field defence system being used by the avengers not to mention spiderman's dodged speed demon and a few others faster than quicksilver
And Cass is still considerably faster than all of them. She's been clocked at flying to different countries in minutes...across oceans....
These people are all groundbased as well. Cassie can fly at superspeeds like Superman....
Originally posted by lando005
for the most part i'll agree with you here but he would be able to connect some blows on her
And they won't do squat. His hardest punch will barely faze her. Again, she's sparred with Diana, Superboy Prime and the Greek Gods...
Originally posted by lando005
but yet she's still short tempered? not like i'm makeing that part up others have admited it as well she's not perfect she can still slip up
She has a temper. But it takes alot to rile her up. Usually a reference to Superboy.
And any slipup she'll make won't hurt her. Spider-Man wouldn't have the ability to exploit it like higher level beings.
The best Spidey can hope for is that she falls on her own sword...
Originally posted by Draco69
Yes. Very stupid people like the Rhino.A) Do really think Cassie is stupid enough to not only not notice a building is falling on her ("Gee, I wonder what the big mass of falling rubble is up in the sky!"😉 much less just use her superspeed to avoid it?
And he can drop as many buildings on her as he likes. It won't help but just annoy her.
Cassie is more likely to THROW an entire building at Spidey. [/QUOTE]
ture but is it in her nature to do things like that?
A place that obviously doesn't favor an opponent. You stated that Spider-Man will somehow find a lab and know where it is and much less find something useful to use against an extradinary powerful foe.
What lab in the world would help him anyway? He had better hope the STARS lab or Baxter building is nearby...[/QUOTE]
i didnt say he would know where anything is i said he could COULD stumble across something useful COULD come up with a way to beat her if the fight was out in the middle of the desert then spidy is done for no denying that but we dont know where the fight takes place so we have to go off the history of both characters areas of operation which would be some type of city like enviroment
He can be as resourceful as he likes. Unless he by some miracle finds a Phantom Zone projector, there's nothing in a city that will help him against a demigoddess....[/QUOTE]
he doesnt always have to be resourceful either he has beaten people with only his wits webs and abilities before i'm ont saying spider-man owns this fight jsut saying that all the people who belive he losses just because wg is more powerful than him are really underating him
And Cass is still considerably faster than all of them. She's been clocked at flying to different countries in minutes...across oceans....
These people are all groundbased as well. Cassie can fly at superspeeds like Superman....[/QUOTE]
does that add into her combat speed? no
And they won't do squat. His hardest punch will barely faze her. Again, she's sparred with Diana, Superboy Prime and the Greek Gods...[/QUOTE]
he may be weaker than her but a good enough volly and she'ld feel it
why does eveyone belive just because she's more powerful that he doenst stand a chance
She has a temper. But it takes alot to rile her up. Usually a reference to Superboy.
And any slipup she'll make won't hurt her. Spider-Man wouldn't have the ability to exploit it like higher level beings.
The best Spidey can hope for is that she falls on her own sword... [/QUOTE]
your making this sound like a toddler fighiting a bulldoser here keep in mind spidy has fought and beaten people on her level before
Originally posted by Devil Lance
Spiderman can throw buildings at people 🤨and nowadays a comment about superboy won't make her lose focus
in teen titans 35 ravager made a comment about cassie's costume and how it is a tribute to superboy and cassie didn't lose her cool at all. 😉
Originally posted by lando005
i didnt say spiderman could throw a building at her i said he could trick her into droping oe down on herself, the only reason why i mand the comment about spiderman being annoying to her is because we know that cassie has a short temper and we know ho fast spiderman adgitates other charaters, it more of a side note that a main argument, and i'm not doubting that wg would beat spiderman senseless for the most part i'm only sayng that he can beat her but for some reason nobody here thinks he can do it even though he's proven he is capable of it
Originally posted by Devil Lance
but she doesn't have a short temper 😉
Originally posted by lando005
she's been koed by less force than that before
Less than Spider-Man? No. Not one. The lowest opponent that KOed her was a WW rogue named Silver Swan...and she regularly went head to head with Wonder Woman.
Originally posted by lando005
ture but is it in her nature to do things like that?
Of course it is. Cassie throws buildings and trucks all the time. I haven't seen a single powerhouse in any comic who DOESN'T throw extremely heavy things at their opponent....
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Originally posted by lando005
i didnt say he would know where anything is i said he could COULD stumble across something useful COULD come up with a way
The chances of that happening is so infinitismal that it doesn't exist and isn't worth mentioning.
Like winning the lottery.......three times in a row......in the same month.....
Originally posted by lando005
to beat her if the fight was out in the middle of the desert then spidy is done for no denying that but we dont know where the fight takes place so we have to go off the history of both characters areas of operation which would be some type of city like enviroment
And there's nothing in normal city that can help him. He would need some sort of proton cannon.
And what makes you think Wonder Girl will even LET Spider-Man have time to find something? He'll be too busy dodging supersonic blows and electrical thunderstorms....
Originally posted by lando005
he doesnt always have to be resourceful either he has beaten people with only his wits webs and abilities before i'm ont saying spider-man owns this fight jsut saying that all the people who belive he losses just because wg is more powerful than him are really underating him
No. You're entire, faulty "arguement" rests on the fact that hopefully Spider-Man has absorbed the luck of Longshot, Domino and the Royal Flush Gang and he finds something capable of hurting much less defeating a demigoddess.
It isn't happening...
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Originally posted by lando005
does that add into her combat speed? no
Yes. THINK. If you can MOVE at supersonic speeds than obviously you can FIGHT a supersonic speeds. There isn't a speedster in comics who can't...
Originally posted by lando005
he may be weaker than her but a good enough volly and she'ld feel it
why does eveyone belive just because she's more powerful that he doenst stand a chance
No. She wouldn't. She's taken hits from a planet busting, solar-system being named Superboy Prime. And her head is still very much intact. She wasn't even KOed.
It would take several million hits from him to even faze her....
Originally posted by lando005
your making this sound like a toddler fighiting a bulldoser here keep in mind spidy has fought and beaten people on her level before
No. I'm making this sound like a Class 100, supersonic Amazon warrior with uber-durability versus a Class 10 superhuman with impressive agility and a Spider-Sense.
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Originally posted by lando005
i didnt say spiderman could throw a building at her i said he could trick her into droping oe down on herself, the only reason why i mand the comment about spiderman being annoying to her is because we know that cassie has a short temper and we know ho fast spiderman adgitates other charaters, it more of a side note that a main argument, and i'm not doubting that wg would beat spiderman senseless for the most part i'm only sayng that he can beat her but for some reason nobody here thinks he can do it even though he's proven he is capable of it
Yeah. He can. If he manages to stumble on an atomic weapon, or Cassie decides to fight at a tenth of her potential....
Originally posted by lando005
ok lets forget about here temper for a moment based on the history of both charaters do you belive it possible for spiderman to beat wonder girl i'm not saying anything about who wins the majority but do you belive it possible for him to beat her even once
I'd say he'd win one or two times
he has no chnace of winning the majority though 😉
Wonder Girl is class 100? Wha ...? And she has been dropped by Para-Demons before. I was never impressed much with Silver Swan either. I remember her doing OK but losing to a weakened WW. Spidey's done considerably better against Namor. Spidey has consistently been able to hurt Namor ... In fact, their record is pretty even. He's got a good record against Iron Man's analogues as well (they're a peg below the real deal for power, but still)