Wonder Girl vs. Spider-Man (Classic)

Originally posted by lando005
ummm that rule said for one time deals right.... spidy's crossed paths with the thundergod plety of times befor i could use the spiderman hulk example if you want seeing how every other example i give you want striken from the evidence record or is evey opponent spidy's ever faced more powerful than him fall under the spiderman firelord rule.........................and by the way SvsFL is WAY more belive able than o lets say.... squirrel girl vs thanos so i dont think it's that far out of the question

Show me (other than the one with Masterson Thor) the fights Spider-man has had with Thor that you claim. And it's rediculous to use Thor as a reference. You're talking about a person who goes up against skyfather-level beings like it was his job. His reflexes are MUCH greater than even Spider-man's are, so that IS pretty much PIS. Spider-man vs. Hulk. That is more believable. However, even though Spider-man was able to last against the Hulk (which he is definitely capable of doing), the WAY in which he defeated him was rediculous. A truck fell on him and he was KO'd. 😐 We're talking about a monster who takes nukes at ground zero w/o getting too bruised up. And the fight with Juggernaut. Please. Do I REALLY have to say anything about this one? How is a little cement going to stop Juggernaut's forward momentum? 😆 Listen, I know you want to use Spider-man's high showings in this fight. That's completely understandable, however, keep it within reason. It's one thing to refer to Spider-man's high showings, but it's another thing to refer to Spider-man's high showings when it completely and utterly takes a DUMP on the other characters showings. That's exactly why we have that rule in affect here. Anyway, Wonder Girl logically wins this one.

Wow a vs thread with WG in it goes over 100 posts
I guess its the spidey factor

Originally posted by batdude123
Show me (other than the one with Masterson Thor) the fights Spider-man has had with Thor that you claim. And it's rediculous to use Thor as a reference. You're talking about a person who goes up against skyfather-level beings like it was his job. His reflexes are MUCH greater than even Spider-man's are, so that IS pretty much PIS. Spider-man vs. Hulk. That is more believable. However, even though Spider-man was able to last against the Hulk (which he is definitely capable of doing), the WAY in which he defeated him was rediculous. A truck fell on him and he was KO'd. 😐 We're talking about a monster who takes nukes at ground zero w/o getting too bruised up. And the fight with Juggernaut. Please. Do I REALLY have to say anything about this one? How is a little cement going to stop Juggernaut's forward momentum? 😆 Listen, I know you want to use Spider-man's high showings in this fight. That's completely understandable, however, keep it within reason. It's one thing to refer to Spider-man's high showings, but it's another thing to refer to Spider-man's high showings when it completely and utterly takes a DUMP on the other characters showings. That's exactly why we have that rule in affect here. Anyway, Wonder Girl logically wins this one.

Originally posted by Devil Lance
Wow a vs thread with WG in it goes over 100 posts
I guess its the spidey factor

It's very sad, indeed. Usually, Spidey fans are semi-sensible. 🙁

Originally posted by lando005
i'm not saying spidy would win 100 precent of the time i'm just making it known that just because the opponent is more powerful than spiderman doesnt mean that he's naturally gonna loose your looking at ability too much and forgettin how these charatersactually fair against the odds you have to admit that spidy can and has beaten people of her level before so why is she any diffrent?

Originally posted by lando005
i'm not saying spidy would win 100 precent of the time i'm just making it known that just because the opponent is more powerful than spiderman doesnt mean that he's naturally gonna loose your looking at ability too much and forgettin how these charatersactually fair against the odds you have to admit that spidy can and has beaten people of her level before so why is she any diffrent?

What you're saying is true. That doesn't mean Spider-man would take the majority here.

Originally posted by H. S. 6
It's very sad, indeed. Usually, Spidey fans are semi-sensible. 🙁

Originally posted by Accel
Well to be fair, half of it was for insulting nverbeenwthagrl.

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Originally posted by Devil Lance
smvsfl fights where characters do not fight to the best of teir abilties are not consdierd cannon in this forum

Originally posted by batdude123
What you're saying is true. That doesn't mean Spider-man would take the majority here.

Originally posted by Accel
Well to be fair, half of it was for insulting nverbeenwthagrl.

True!

she does not have super speed (such as reflexes, hitting, running and such)

Spiderman has much experance fighting someone in her strength range (I belive she's as strong as classic Rogue, about in the 50 tons range) look at the list of people he's defeated and then look at hers. hell he regularly beats Titana (95 tons) and Carnage (65 tons) and cassandra would be no diffrent .

Originally posted by complexbrother
she does not have super speed (such as reflexes, hitting, running and such)

Spiderman has much experance fighting someone in her strength range (I belive she's as strong as classic Rogue, about in the 50 tons range) look at the list of people he's defeated and then look at hers. hell he regularly beats Titana (95 tons) and Carnage (65 tons) and cassandra would be no diffrent .

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Wgs is in the mid 100 class range she blocks bullets with ease , and can fly above the speed of sound.
She wins 🙄

Both Thunderball and Thor -- beings with no combat super-speed -- have blocked bullets. Spidey has greater combat speed than Thor or Surfer, both of whom can fly well beyond light-speed.

Flight speed does not equate to combat speed. Until you come up with one instance of Cassie showing clear combat speed, claiming hers is greater is silly. Spidey has easily outmanuevered beings who've deflected bullets and who can fly (as well as manuever) at speeds much faster than Cass can reach.

Spidey also KOed Thor in WOS#105 by using the momentum of Thor and some other heroes against each other. In fact, his wed-sheild blocked a shot from Mjolnor in that issue.

Spidey also speed-blitzed the Eric Masterson Thor and nearly KOed him before he saved himself with lightning in Thor#448. But I know these are both gonna get written off as "SvFL." No matter how consistent his ability to hang with these beings is.

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Spidey also KOed Thor in WOS#105 by using the momentum of Thor and some other heroes against each other. In fact, his wed-sheild blocked a shot from Mjolnor in that issue.

Spidey also speed-blitzed the Eric Masterson Thor and nearly KOed him before he saved himself with lightning in Thor#448. But I know these are both gonna get written off as "SvFL." No matter how consistent his ability to hang with these beings is.

I been saying forver that he could just use her momentum against her. She just isn't ready to fight spiderman.

Curious, nverbeenwthagirl, based on your screen name, does the fact that you're actually going against a DC character for once have anything to do with the fact that it's a girl? 🙂

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Curious, nverbeenwthagirl, based on your screen name, does the fact that you're actually going against a DC character for once have anything to do with the fact that it's a girl? 🙂

Not really. I love all WW characters to DEATh. She just can't beat Spiderman to me. Besides I think Superman should loose to thor. Not cuz of strength, but becuz thor is magical and a better hand to hand fighter. I think marvel characters should win when it's logical. and the same with DC characters. I'm a queer, but I wouldn't vote against a girl character just becuz of it. I voted for psylock vs. night wing.

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Spidey also KOed Thor in WOS#105 by using the momentum of Thor and some other heroes against each other. In fact, his wed-sheild blocked a shot from Mjolnor in that issue.

Spidey also speed-blitzed the Eric Masterson Thor and nearly KOed him before he saved himself with lightning in Thor#448. But I know these are both gonna get written off as "SvFL." No matter how consistent his ability to hang with these beings is.

No no... good work. I actually didn't know these instances you refer to.

You have to understand I'm going by the spiderman references I know, and the highest durability character offhand he's fought I can think of is hulk, juggernaut and rhino... of those 3, his attacks have very little effect.. still these could be considered low end showings... while yours would be considered high end.

If you have any more references bring them up. You could eventually overturn the spiderman vs Firelord as PIS... and we'd have to eventually use something else as our example.

I generally think of pis stories... like the FF4 comic with Thing sitting in a bar, talking to electro (though he didn't know it at the time) and spiderman was fighting hulk... and got hulk to run into a building... collapsing it... and the building... falling on hulk.. knocked hulk out...

Thats an example of PIS... as its been shown hulk's come out of worst hits... example taking a full on nova blast from human torch and manhandling thing like it was nothing in a different recent comic.

I'd say the firelord vs spiderman is still PIS... cause firelord just stood there, and took every hit and got knocked out... saying that a guy that can withstand the heat and gravity of the center of the sun... gets knocked out by a guy that has problems lifting vans...
and does nothing against it...

Cannonball vs Gladiator could also be considered PIS. Cannonball was supposed to have an invulnerable shield around his entire body.. which allowed him also great speeds... so it was "plausible" he might not be defeated by Glads... but as for defeating glads.. meh... and yet in recent c omics... now the invulnerability doesn't appear to go around his whole body... or he still gets hit by anyone.. and goes down... meh... hi/low showings...

Anyone got scans of those spiderman high showings?

Oh, LOL. I thought your name was meant to be read as "I can't get any", not "I'm out in the open" 😉