Originally posted by srankmissingninOr maybe it's because the Ebony blade can cut through anything, and Hudlin liked the name 'Ebony'?
Panther's energy daggers can disable Ironman's forcefield, it seems unlikely that Panther would retreat to get a weapon he doesn't need. After all according to Trackz the energy daggers are part of his standard gear. 🙄
Comic characters don't take into account things like what you said.
Originally posted by srankmissingninthey can disable his energy field and thats it, the ebony blade cuts through his energy shield and gives him range, rather than him having to work in close with his claws
Panther's energy daggers can disable Ironman's forcefield, it seems unlikely that Panther would retreat to get a weapon he doesn't need. After all according to Trackz the energy daggers are part of his standard gear. 🙄
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
I dont know about that ive been up to origins issue 6 and havnet even seen Black Widow. So you are exaggerating...again. Hell we see him in a boat trying to recover from a sword cut made by Captain America, that was probably at least 1 day afterwards. All you need to do is not sleep for one day to look sleep deprived.
No you don't. It takes sleep deprivation to look sleep deprived 1 day isn't going to cut it.
And what I said was that the encounter between Wolverine and Black Widow took place quite quickly after the Cap fight. And it did... I did not mean the same day. 😐
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneNo... it isn't. It states that Wolverine's been going since HOM on his "mission". At no point does Wolverine even have time to be resting as (as he stated multiple times).... he didn't have the time for it. 😐
Considering that the demon blade was messing him up thats probably why. So she he meets BW at least two issues after the fight, thats enough time to be sleep deprived, that doesnt mean he wasnt sleeping before that, thats somethign you invented.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneSo you admit that he DID state it.
I dont need to prove anything....you do. You're just making assumptions that he didnt eat or sleep properly when there is no evidence to indicate that, there is in some circumstances where he states it but not in others.
Well I've seen few welcome their doom with such reckless abandon as you often do, but if you need another blow to your credability, or lack thereof far be it from me to deny such an invitation.
NO. I. DON'T.
You know I keep thinking that even with your natural aversion to common sense, and empiracle knowledge that at some point you would still have to learn simple things by mistake if nothing else.
The bottem line? I can't prove a negative. No one can. In the same way no one can prove Unicorns don't exist, so it's up to others to prove that they do if that's the argument.
However what can be proven are a number of things.
-In the write-up Wolverine's stated to be on a mission since HOM.
-Wolverine before his fight with Silver Samurai couldn't remember the last time he ate or slept.
-It was enough to force him to eat his own arm before passing out from sheer exhaustion.
-Wolverine has been seen able to survive for up to 4-5 days in the desert without food or sleep (directly stated) while also on a mission.
- Desert environments are more taxing on Wolverine's healing factor (stated)
- Logan would undoubtibly last longer in less taxing environments
- His situation got more dire AFTER the Silver Samurai fight as every law enforcement, military, and government agency in the world started looking for Logan as soon as his recovered memories went public during the talk between Emma and Dugan.
- He was traveling the world multiple times over which would wreck havoc on any possible sleep cycle he may have had
- The only time Wolverine's seen NOT on the move was in his hideout surrounded by multiple newspapers, radios, and literally rows of T.V.s scanning the news for a lead.
-Wolverine states multiple times he doesn't have time to stop.
-The first time he stops moving in public he gets spotted by a spy.
-Wolverine states he doesn't even have time for a beer in Russia (Proven as he is attacked immediately after reaching his destination)
-The second time he stops moving in public he spots a spy.
-Wolverine states he needs to sleep at Black Widows.
All this stuff is just the on panel evidence that's clearly stated but what about the empiricle knowledge? Sometimes comic writers don't have to explain a character's handicap over and over either because once is enough or beyond that, anyone with basic reasoning skill can figure it out (Don't feel bad, I understand that this automatically excludes you).
In this case it's both.
Not only was a full page spread use to describe that Logan hadn't been eating, not only was it shown multiple times that he had no luxury of stopping, or sleeping, but what about the two versions of Way's Wolverine?
Wolverine from the beginning of Way's arc to the point he got captured by SHIELD in origins:
Passes out from exhaustion after the SS sword stab/slice to the heart.
Gets a bloody nose from Nuke that doesn't heal until after his fight with Cap.
Takes minutes to heal his damaged forearms.
Gets downed by 3 rounds to the chest.
gets downed by several handgun rounds from Dugan to the back of the head.
And the whole time references are made or shown that Wolverine's not 100%.
Then look at Way's Wolverine before and after that.
Before?
Wolverine got beat on by a superpowered Venom in the class 50 range, (Or 90 if you want to take Spiderman's word for it) and didn't give an inch, even makes a reference akin to "I'm never gonna stop" which Venom confirms.
Wolverine got blasted to a skeleton, healed in a minute (faster than Guggenhiems version), got up and got hit by a friggin NUKE at ground zero. He was already healed by the time the blast had cleared.
After?
He gets stabbed through the chest and has his throat sliced by Daken, gets up and fights Cyber, who crushes his forearms in the same place Cap did, they heal immediately this time. Cyber comments on being able to unload on Wolverine. Wolverine doesn't go down.
He fights Deadpool and takes 3 god-damned issues of punishment, all of which exceeds all the damage he took up to SHIELD capture combined and the only thing that puts him down is a bullet to the brain which he heals extremely fast considering.
He gets into it with the Hellfire Club and it takes everything they've got to put him down, even that's only brief as Logan's up soon after.
Gets eviscorated by Daken and launched through a brick wall only to stand calmy after that as if nothing happened.
And Daniel Way's current write ups describe Wolverine as being vertually unstoppable.....
You're seriously telling me there's not a difference between the interpretations of the character? BY THE SAME MAN?
Oh wait, it's Wolverine's fault for being inconsisent right? Or maybe it' yours for not reading the damned comics.
"I read all the important ones" LOL
Uh-huh, you read the Cap scans and the scans Onedumb posted and somehow came to the conclusion that you knew enough to dictate exactly how Wolverine was fairing the entire time....
Consider your little crusade shot down.
NOW.
It's not my job to do your legwork for you. The fact of the matter is that given all the evidence that DOES exist you need to prove that Wolverine ate and slept enough to be at normal capacity by the time he fought Cap, since I know that's what this is all about.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWell, this certainly proves your inability to comprehend what you're reading. As I said I wouldn't need such proof for other Wolverine stories... Why? Because in other Wolverine stories it's not a point that becomes repeatedly referenced. It was stated, you said yourself.
I might as well assume that every single time Wolverine is on a mission hes sleep deprived or starving. Unless its stated you cant assume such things.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneNO... duh. But it WOULD effect his rest if that's all he's doing, which is after WHAT THAT POINT WAS ALL ABOUT. 😐
I guess you're going to tell me that reading and listening to the radio affects his healing factor as well..
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
edit: I just read Origins issue 2 it doesnt same a god damn thing about him listening to the radio, in fact it looks like hes doing some sort of meditation...
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1118/wolverinesucks13kj3.jpg
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneLook at the scan again. He's using multiple papers, radios, and TV's. Whether the task was hard to do or not is NOT THE POINT... though I know how you do love to derail threads on your fantastic tangents.
edit: There is another page where we see him listening to the TV but thats not the case with the previous example. You are still exaggertaing and you're making it sound like listening to the radio and reading newspapers is some hard task.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneI can understand how YOU might not be able to think and listen or watch at the same time, but the rest of us don't suffer such a handicap, as neither would Logan. We can multitask. 😉
In fact prior to the hearing the TV he was not reading anything he was just relaxing. Hell if you actually read the panels ( he was thinking about something else) he wasnt even paying attention to the TV until important information came on.
lol. ya.
Oh and BTW ALF, that..... all of it.....
Is all while ignoring the other obvious plotline that got thrown into the mix.. Being that Wolverine was "weak" missing half of his soul according to Azrael, the Hand, and Doc. Strange.
So even IF you want to ignore all of that for the sake of your precious Cap getting his ass handed to him, you still need to consider that Wolverine was "weak" missing half of his soul.... put that in your pipe and smoke it. 🙂
Originally posted by jinzin
No you don't. It takes sleep deprivation to look sleep deprived 1 day isn't going to cut it.And what I said was that the encounter between Wolverine and Black Widow took place quite quickly after the Cap fight. And it did... I did not mean the same day. 😐
LOL it actually states in issue 6 that he appears in Queens New York three days later and BW doesnt even appear in issue 6, now what? So thats at least 4 days.
Originally posted by jinzin
No... it isn't. It states that Wolverine's been going since HOM on his "mission". At no point does Wolverine even have time to be resting as (as he stated multiple times).... he didn't have the time for it. 😐
You jackoffs want to pretend that he was getting enough Z's on trains, plains, and smuggling in vans to make up for being on the run from every law enforement agency in he world while keeping an eye over his own shoulder from them while traveling back and forth and back and forth, and back and forth around the world again not only serves to prove your ineptitude when it comes to common sense (jetlag), but shows your bias for what it really is. Nothing's invented in this case, multiple evidence exists to support the argument, and that's when it WASN'T being flat out stated. 😐
In some cases he didnt eat or sleep properly and there is evidence to prove it, that doesnt mean he was seroulsy sleep deprived and starving when he fought Cap. Wolverine is an enhanced mutant he can handle a losing a bit of sleep and less food.
Originally posted by jinzin
So you admit that he DID state it.
And yet...
In some cases he didnt eat or sleep properly and there is evidence to prove it, that doesnt mean he was seroulsy sleep deprived and starving when he fought Cap. Wolverine is an enhanced mutant he can handle a losing a bit of sleep and less food.
Originally posted by jinzin
Well I've seen few welcome their doom with such reckless abandon as you often do, but if you need another blow to your credability, or lack thereof far be it from me to deny such an invitation.NO. I. DON'T.
You know I keep thinking that even with your natural aversion to common sense, and empiracle knowledge that at some point you would still have to learn simple things by mistake if nothing else.
The bottem line? I can't prove a negative. No one can. In the same way no one can prove Unicorns don't exist, so it's up to others to prove that they do if that's the argument.
I know thats why they're laughing at you and not me.
Originally posted by jinzin
However what can be proven are a number of things.-In the write-up Wolverine's stated to be on a mission since HOM.
-Wolverine before his fight with Silver Samurai couldn't remember the last time he ate or slept.
-It was enough to force him to eat his own arm before passing out from sheer exhaustion.
-Wolverine has been seen able to survive for up to 4-5 days in the desert without food or sleep (directly stated) while also on a mission.
- Desert environments are more taxing on Wolverine's healing factor (stated)
- Logan would undoubtibly last longer in less taxing environments
- His situation got more dire AFTER the Silver Samurai fight as every law enforcement, military, and government agency in the world started looking for Logan as soon as his recovered memories went public during the talk between Emma and Dugan.
- He was traveling the world multiple times over which would wreck havoc on any possible sleep cycle he may have had
- The only time Wolverine's seen NOT on the move was in his hideout surrounded by multiple newspapers, radios, and literally rows of T.V.s scanning the news for a lead.
-Wolverine states multiple times he doesn't have time to stop.
-The first time he stops moving in public he gets spotted by a spy.
-Wolverine states he doesn't even have time for a beer in Russia (Proven as he is attacked immediately after reaching his destination)
-The second time he stops moving in public he spots a spy.
-Wolverine states he needs to sleep at Black Widows.
None of that neccesarily proves anything. For example just because he eat his arm after fighting SS you are now assuming that he was starving all the time, all that proves is that he was starving in that instance.
He can go without eating or sleeping for 5 days? Ok so why are you assuming that everytimes hes on a mission that he never sleeps or eats? Furthermore his mission would have lasted more than 5 days because from the time he fought Cap to the time he met juiblee that was at least 4 days....and we dont even know how long that boat ride was....that could have lasted several days as well. So he had to eat or sleep at some point.
Wolverine is also and enhanced mutant. Stop making out that less sleep and food is going to seriously affect him.
Originally posted by jinzin
All this stuff is just the on panel evidence that's clearly stated but what about the empiricle knowledge? Sometimes comic writers don't have to explain a character's handicap over and over either because once is enough or beyond that, anyone with basic reasoning skill can figure it out (Don't feel bad, I understand that this automatically excludes you).
In this case it's both.
Not only was a full page spread use to describe that Logan hadn't been eating, not only was it shown multiple times that he had no luxury of stopping, or sleeping, but what about the two versions of Way's Wolverine?Wolverine from the beginning of Way's arc to the point he got captured by SHIELD in origins:
Passes out from exhaustion after the SS sword stab/slice to the heart.
Gets a bloody nose from Nuke that doesn't heal until after his fight with Cap.
Takes minutes to heal his damaged forearms.
Gets downed by 3 rounds to the chest.
gets downed by several handgun rounds from Dugan to the back of the head.And the whole time references are made or shown that Wolverine's not 100%.
Then look at Way's Wolverine before and after that.
Before?
Wolverine got beat on by a superpowered Venom in the class 50 range, (Or 90 if you want to take Spiderman's word for it) and didn't give an inch, even makes a reference akin to "I'm never gonna stop" which Venom confirms.
Wolverine got blasted to a skeleton, healed in a minute (faster than Guggenhiems version), got up and got hit by a friggin NUKE at ground zero. He was already healed by the time the blast had cleared.After?
He gets stabbed through the chest and has his throat sliced by Daken, gets up and fights Cyber, who crushes his forearms in the same place Cap did, they heal immediately this time. Cyber comments on being able to unload on Wolverine. Wolverine doesn't go down.
He fights Deadpool and takes 3 god-damned issues of punishment, all of which exceeds all the damage he took up to SHIELD capture combined and the only thing that puts him down is a bullet to the brain which he heals extremely fast considering.
He gets into it with the Hellfire Club and it takes everything they've got to put him down, even that's only brief as Logan's up soon after.
Gets eviscorated by Daken and launched through a brick wall only to stand calmy after that as if nothing happened.
And Daniel Way's current write ups describe Wolverine as being vertually unstoppable.....You're seriously telling me there's not a difference between the interpretations of the character? BY THE SAME MAN?
Oh wait, it's Wolverine's fault for being inconsisent right? Or maybe it' yours for not reading the damned comics.
"I read all the important ones" LOL
Uh-huh, you read the Cap scans and the scans Onedumb posted and somehow came to the conclusion that you knew enough to dictate exactly how Wolverine was fairing the entire time....Consider your little crusade shot down.
OMIGOD Jinzin now all you are doing is cherry picking what feats you like to prove that his Hf wasnt working. LOL in one issue he was gunned down by machine gunfire and it took minutes to heal, in another issue he was shot in the head and dropped. Hell he was even dropped by a kick to the back from Sage and it was stated that the Fury did not increase her fighting ability. X-23 also dropped Wolverine by stabbing him in the chest.
All you do all the time is cherry pick what feats you like.
Originally posted by jinzin
http://img235.imageshack.us/img235/1118/wolverinesucks13kj3.jpg
Look at the scan again. He's using multiple papers, radios, and TV's. Whether the task was hard to do or not is NOT THE POINT... though I know how you do love to derail threads on your fantastic tangents.
The point was that he was not engaging in rest.. and he wasn't. He was scanning for a lead.I can understand how YOU might not be able to think and listen or watch at the same time, but the rest of us don't suffer such a handicap, as neither would Logan. We can multitask. 😉
Funny how he's able to discern his lead in the middle of eerything else if that wasn't what he was doing...
1. Hes not reading anything.
2. Yes hes listening to the TV and radio but it would be absurd to think he was doing that the whole time he was there.
3. He looks relaxed and hes even smiling, he is obvoulsy meditating and its not strenous for him. It might be strenous for us but not for him.
Originally posted by jinzin
lol. ya.Oh and BTW ALF, that..... all of it.....
Is all while ignoring the other obvious plotline that got thrown into the mix.. Being that Wolverine was "weak" missing half of his soul according to Azrael, the Hand, and Doc. Strange.
So even IF you want to ignore all of that for the sake of your precious Cap getting his ass handed to him, you still need to consider that Wolverine was "weak" missing half of his soul.... put that in your pipe and smoke it. 🙂
Yeah but interestingly enough Azrael stated that his HF was weaker you decided to ignore that.
Anyway it stated his mind was affected I dont know about getting weaker, i'll have to read it again. The whole problem with that is you have a whole load of feats that suggest otherwise.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone4 days more of running around the world trying to evade "every law enforcement agency in the world"
LOL it actually states in issue 6 that he appears in Queens New York three days later and BW doesnt even appear in issue 6, now what? So thats at least 4 days.
So what? it doesn't detract from the point.
You seem to think that even though Logan was too busy to be well rested and fed before his fight with SS, and before his meet up with Black Widow that somehow he got up to 100% for the Cap fight alone in between those two encounters. Uh huh. That could not be any more bias.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIt proves that he was likely i the same condition when he fought Cap seeing how his situation wasn't a fluid one. He was always pressed for time in that arc and he engaged in heavy self neglect. The argument's only supported by the forearm factor.
In some cases he didnt eat or sleep properly and there is evidence to prove it, that doesnt mean he was seroulsy sleep deprived and starving when he fought Cap. Wolverine is an enhanced mutant he can handle a losing a bit of sleep and less food.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
In some cases he didnt eat or sleep properly and there is evidence to prove it, that doesnt mean he was seroulsy sleep deprived and starving when he fought Cap. Wolverine is an enhanced mutant he can handle a losing a bit of sleep and less food..
And his main superhuman power is his healing factor which is CONSTANTLY working which is why he needs to be well fed to keep it at optimum levels.. Which he wasn't during that arc.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneActually that'd be laughing with me, after all you're the forum joke around here.
I know thats why they're laughing at you and not me...
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneThat instance was enough. To be taxed to such a point would take a period of rest and recovery for Wolverine to get back to decent health. HE DIDN'T TAKE THAT PERIOD. He didn't have time and his situation only got more dire and more pressed for time after the SS fight, the crap you're spewing contradicts logic, the story, and even more logic... Oh well it is afterall what you do.
None of that neccesarily proves anything. For example just because he eat his arm after fighting SS you are now assuming that he was starving all the time, all that proves is that he was starving in that instance.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneI never said that. Reading comprehension and reasoning skills for the win.
He can go without eating or sleeping for 5 days? Ok so why are you assuming that everytimes hes on a mission that he never sleeps or eats?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneI was speaking of a different example that illustrates how long he can last in the desert. 😐
Furthermore his mission would have lasted more than 5 days because from the time he fought Cap to the time he met juiblee that was at least 4 days....
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneHe ate his arm and passed out from exhaustion.... so that was the "some point".
and we dont even know how long that boat ride was....that could have lasted several days as well. So he had to eat or sleep at some point.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneLOL Wolverine's body metabolizes food far faster than a normal human since his body is constantly in a state of healing. Of course it's going to affect him. You'r trying to connect points a, b,and f with no reasoning in between. Pathetic.
Wolverine is also and enhanced mutant. Stop making out that less sleep and food is going to seriously affect him.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
OMIGOD Jinzin now all you are doing is cherry picking what feats you like to prove that his Hf wasnt working. LOL in one issue he was gunned down by machine gunfire and it took minutes to heal, in another issue he was shot in the head and dropped. Hell he was even dropped by a kick to the back from Sage and it was stated that the Fury did not increase her fighting ability. X-23 also dropped Wolverine by stabbing him in the chest.All you do all the time is cherry pick what feats you like.
Cherry Picking?
NO... I'm.... Not.... 😬
YOU..... NEED..... TO.... COMPREHEND...... WHAT.... YOU.... ARE.... READING.......
All the examples I used are DANIEL WAYS WOLVERINE all from the last several years. He's the writer for the cancelled Venom ongoing series, he's the writer for the origins and endings arc, and he's the writer for Wolverine: Origins.
That's the point, he's the SAME WRITER, of the SAME CHARACTER, with 2 COMPLETELY different versions of that character... Don't you think it's odd that Daniel Way had Wolverine healing from a skeleton and brushing off explosions and damaged forearms, even throat slices both BEFORE and AFTER his stint of being "on the run from every law enforcement agency in the world" but not DURING? Or is that just coincidence that the guy who says Wolverine has a power capible of miracles, and is virtually unstoppable also has him put down by a 3 story drop during the time span in question?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneThey're opened on the floor, he had clearly either already read them or was in the process of doing so.
1. Hes not reading anything.
2. Yes hes listening to the TV and radio but it would be absurd to think he was doing that the whole time he was there.
3. He looks relaxed and hes even smiling, he is obvoulsy meditating and its not strenous for him. It might be strenous for us but not for him.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneNo he didn't. He said he couldn't guarantee that Logan's HF would remain the same. Logan assumed he might be right about that before he had a chance to find out.
Yeah but interestingly enough Azrael stated that his HF was weaker you decided to ignore that.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneAll he said was that it made Logan weak. Nothing of the mind was stated though that would make sense to.
Anyway it stated his mind was affected I dont know about getting weaker, i'll have to read it again. The whole problem with that is you have a whole load of feats that suggest otherwise.
Originally posted by jinzin
4 days more of running around the world trying to evade "every law enforcement agency in the world"So what? it doesn't detract from the point.
You seem to think that even though Logan was too busy to be well rested and fed before his fight with SS, and before his meet up with Black Widow that somehow he got up to 100% for the Cap fight alone in between those two encounters. Uh huh. That could not be any more bias.
No no no. He was on a boat on issue 6 THEN it said 3 days later in Queens. He was on a boat AFTER he fought Cap, so it was 3 days after he was on the boat not for the whole mission. So he was obvoulsy in a better state when he fought Cap.
Originally posted by jinzin
It proves that he was likely i the same condition when he fought Cap seeing how his situation wasn't a fluid one. He was always pressed for time in that arc and he engaged in heavy self neglect. The argument's only supported by the forearm factor.
Again all that proves is that in that instance he was starving, you are just assuming that applies to every single case.
Originally posted by jinzin
And his main superhuman power is his healing factor which is CONSTANTLY working which is why he needs to be well fed to keep it at optimum levels.. Which he wasn't during that arc.
Everybody needs to be well feed to be kept at optimum levels that doesnt mean that if he eats less his HF is going to be serioulsy depleted.
Originally posted by jinzin
Actually that'd be laughing with me, after all you're the forum joke around here.
Keep telling yourself that.
Originally posted by jinzin
That instance was enough. To be taxed to such a point would take a period of rest and recovery for Wolverine to get back to decent health. HE DIDN'T TAKE THAT PERIOD. He didn't have time and his situation only got more dire and more pressed for time after the SS fight, the crap you're spewing contradicts logic, the story, and even more logic... Oh well it is afterall what you do.
Thats an assumption you are making. He would have slept and eaten less but unless its stated that he was starving and serioulsy sleep deprived you cant make that assumption.
Originally posted by jinzin
I never said that. Reading comprehension and reasoning skills for the win.
If he can last 5 days in a desert environment without food sleep, or water while engaging in battles where he's blown up, blown up, riddled with hundreds of bullets, blown up, blown up again and again riddled with bullets while being blown up, then one assumes the number of days he can last in a non taxing environment is longer. The point? That he couldn't remember the last time he ate, that he was forced to eat a piece of his own arm because of it. he would not have been up to full strength by the time he fought Cap, it's that simple.
Again you are making assumptions. Just because it said in one place that he can last that long doesnt mean hes going to starve himself and go without sleep on a particular mission. Cap has said that his maximum running speed is 60 mph but ive seen him out run bullets.
Originally posted by jinzin
I was speaking of a different example that illustrates how long he can last in the desert. 😐
READING COMPREHENSION... USE IT... PLEEEEASE.He ate his arm and passed out from exhaustion.... so that was the "some point".
LOL Wolverine's body metabolizes food far faster than a normal human since his body is constantly in a state of healing. Of course it's going to affect him. You'r trying to connect points a, b,and f with no reasoning in between. Pathetic.
Already discussed these points.
Originally posted by jinzin
Cherry Picking?NO... I'm.... Not.... 😬
YOU..... NEED..... TO.... COMPREHEND...... WHAT.... YOU.... ARE.... READING.......
All the examples I used are DANIEL WAYS WOLVERINE all from the last several years. He's the writer for the cancelled Venom ongoing series, he's the writer for the origins and endings arc, and he's the writer for Wolverine: Origins.
That's the point, he's the SAME WRITER, of the SAME CHARACTER, with 2 COMPLETELY different versions of that character... Don't you think it's odd that Daniel Way had Wolverine healing from a skeleton and brushing off explosions and damaged forearms, even throat slices both BEFORE and AFTER his stint of being "on the run from every law enforcement agency in the world" but not DURING? Or is that just coincidence that the guy who says Wolverine has a power capible of miracles, and is virtually unstoppable also has him put down by a 3 story drop during the time span in question?
It some parts of the story it could have been due to sleep deprivation and starvation because it was explicitly stated. However him being hurt by Cap doesnt neccesarily prove anything because hes been stunned and hurt by other Mas.
Originally posted by jinzin
They're opened on the floor, he had clearly either already read them or was in the process of doing so.
We dont see him read them in the scans provided but he most lilley read them before.
Originally posted by jinzin
2. No it wouldn't.... He was scanning all the worlds news to pick up a trail.... that's why he's surrounded by the stuff.
3. Of course he looks relaxed, he's sitting. Of course he's smiling, thinking about revenge. Does that mean he was well fed? No. How about well rested? No.
Doesnt matter anyway he looks clearly relaxed.
Originally posted by jinzin
No he didn't. He said he couldn't guarantee that Logan's HF would remain the same. Logan assumed he might be right about that before he had a chance to find out.
And I wouldn't ignore it, if it had merit, but unfortunately for your anti-wolverine regime Wolverine still does the same type of healing stunts.
Thats not what you said last time, you just blantantly rejected it.
Originally posted by jinzin
All he said was that it made Logan weak. Nothing of the mind was stated though that would make sense to.
Doesnt matter, when the fight between Cap and Wolverine was written Daniel Way didnt write it with that intention in mind. So it doesnt reflect how Wolverine with half a soul would fight.
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
No no no. He was on a boat on issue 6 THEN it said 3 days later in Queens. He was on a boat AFTER he fought Cap, so it was 3 days after he was on the boat not for the whole mission. So he was obvoulsy in a better state when he fought Cap
Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Again all that proves is that in that instance he was starving, you are just assuming that
I'm assuming that him having been stared to the point of eating his own arm would effect him days later?
No.. This is evidence supported by Wolverine's crucifiction by the Reavers, Cassandra Nova's arm incineration, and the effects the desert has on Logan and why.
He would have been less than 100% when he fought Cap regardless of resting or eating at his hideout.. which he didn't do.
I'm assuming his situation wasn't fluid? No.. it was time oriented and pressed. Stated multiple times over.
I'm assuming that it's supported by the forearm crushing? No.. Cap does it, it takes Wolverine minutes to heal, Cyber does it after Wolverine takes a gutting, a garroting, and a stabbing, and he heals immediately.
I'm assuming he was engaged in self neglect? Did you see the Natasha scan?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneUnless it's working all the time and he doesn't eat for days... which is the case in that arc.
Everybody needs to be well feed to be kept at optimum levels that doesnt mean that if he eats less his HF is going to be serioulsy depleted.
Originally posted by Phantom Zoneignorance and bliss must be so much fun.
Keep telling yourself that..
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneThere's no assumption needed. It was a point of interest in the beginning of the arc, a point of interest at the end of the arc and stressed all throughout.
Thats an assumption you are making. He would have slept and eaten less but unless its stated that he was starving and serioulsy sleep deprived you cant make that assumption.
But all that changed for the sake of his fight with cap right? 😉
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneThat's not an assumption, it's based on Wolverine's history. something that Way is quite keen on.
Again you are making assumptions. Just because it said in one place that he can last that long doesnt mean hes going to starve himself and go without sleep on a particular mission. Cap has said that his maximum running speed is 60 mph but ive seen him out run bullets.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneNo you dismissed them. I would too if Wolverine kicked my favorite character's ass.
Already discussed these points.
Originally posted by Phantom Zonewe're not talking about being stunned and hurt by MA's. I'm quite positive even at 100% Cap can stun and hurt Logan. What we're talking about here is Wolverine's rate of healing.. the speed at which he heals.
It some parts of the story it could have been due to sleep deprivation and starvation because it was explicitly stated. However him being hurt by Cap doesnt neccesarily prove anything because hes been stunned and hurt by other Mas.
In once instance Cap crushes his forearms and it takes him minutes to heal the wound.
In another instance after that arc, Wolverine has his forearms crushed in the same place by Cyber and they're in full Working order as soon as Wolverine gets to his feet...
I'll ask you again, do you not understand the difference? Do you think it's a coincidence?
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIns't that what i just said. 😕 And yes it matters if he's ignoring sleep to do that. I can look relaxed after finals week is over doesn't mean I was getting good sleep.
We dont see him read them in the scans provided but he most lilley read them before.
Doesnt matter anyway he looks clearly relaxed.
Originally posted by Phantom Zoneyes it is. I rejected it because you kept stating that his HF had been reduced to classic levels which isn't what was stated and wasn't even proven true. So it's worth rejecting.
Thats not what you said last time, you just blantantly rejected it.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneIt DOES matter. Spiderman getting upgrades in spectacular doesn't mean he doesn't have them in Amazing. Or, ever heard of a retcon. It most certainly matters, though it's nice to see just how far you're willing to go to protect ol' stevie.
Doesnt matter, when the fight between Cap and Wolverine was written Daniel Way didnt write it with that intention in mind. So it doesnt reflect how Wolverine with half a soul would fight.
