Originally posted by jinzin
we're not talking about being stunned and hurt by MA's. I'm quite positive even at 100% Cap can stun and hurt Logan. What we're talking about here is Wolverine's rate of healing.. the speed at which he heals.In once instance Cap crushes his forearms and it takes him minutes to heal the wound.
In another instance after that arc, Wolverine has his forearms crushed in the same place by Cyber and they're in full Working order as soon as Wolverine gets to his feet...I'll ask you again, do you not understand the difference? Do you think it's a coincidence?
Its not a coincedence. Captain America was hunting Wolverine and is one of the earth greatest tacticians and combatant. Wolverine stated that Cap had some new tricks obvoulsy Captain America had prepared himself with new techniques in order to fight Wolverine. If Wolverine can hurt Korvac he can damn well figure of a way to injure Wolverine for minutes.
Cyber would probably kicks Caps butt but hes not as skillful as Cap. Cyber used brute force Cap used skill. Besides Wolverine has been put down for minutes before without being starving or sleep deprived.
Originally posted by jinzin
Ins't that what i just said. 😕 And yes it matters if he's ignoring sleep to do that. I can look relaxed after finals week is over doesn't mean I was getting good sleep.
Fair enough it doesnt mean he was serioulsy sleep deprived either
Originally posted by jinzin
yes it is. I rejected it because you kept stating that his HF had been reduced to classic levels which isn't what was stated and wasn't even proven true. So it's worth rejecting.
Maybe.
Originally posted by jinzin
It DOES matter. Spiderman getting upgrades in spectacular doesn't mean he doesn't have them in Amazing. Or, ever heard of a retcon. It most certainly matters, though it's nice to see just how far you're willing to go to protect ol' stevie.
Again Origins was written in 2006 DOW in 2007....I think. Daniel Way didnt know anything about his soul when he wrote it.
Clearly if Wolverine can beat Cap while having part of his soul missing and while being serioulsy sleep deprived and starving hes the best top tier martial artist and could beat Cap 10/10 in straight h2h.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneWell that's about the only thing you got right.
Its not a coincedence.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneNo.... he can't.
Captain America was hunting Wolverine and is one of the earth greatest tacticians and combatant. Wolverine stated that Cap had some new tricks obvoulsy Captain America had prepared himself with new techniques in order to fight Wolverine. If Wolverine can hurt Korvac he can damn well figure of a way to injure Wolverine for minutes.
Originally posted by Phantom ZoneI don't care about who'd win in a fight, Wolverine got his forearms crushed in both fights, he only healed in seconds during one of them"durrr it's Caps skilllzzes. He can hit with 70 tons of da force!".
Cyber would probably kicks Caps butt but hes not as skillful as Cap. Cyber used brute force Cap used skill. Besides Wolverine has been put down for minutes before without being starving or sleep deprived.
And yeah, after Daken bled him out with multiple stab wounds, manipulated his pheromones and slit his throat from ear to ear. And he wasn't even "out"
Originally posted by Phantom Zone😕 pretty sure that's exactly what it indicates
Fair enough it doesnt mean he was serioulsy sleep deprived either
Originally posted by Phantom Zonedoesn't matter.
Again Origins was written in 2006 DOW in 2007....I think. Daniel Way didnt know anything about his soul when he wrote it.Clearly if Wolverine can beat Cap while having part of his soul missing and while being serioulsy sleep deprived and starving hes the best top tier martial artist and could beat Cap 10/10 in straight h2h.
and NIMO but whatever.
Originally posted by jinzin
Well that's about the only thing you got right.No.... he can't.
Being skilled does not make Wolverine's healing factor act at a slower level... period.I don't care about who'd win in a fight, Wolverine got his forearms crushed in both fights, he only healed in seconds during one of them"durrr it's Caps skilllzzes. He can hit with 70 tons of da force!".
And yeah, after Daken bled him out with multiple stab wounds, manipulated his pheromones and slit his throat from ear to ear. And he wasn't even "out"
😕 pretty sure that's exactly what it indicates
doesn't matter.
and NIMO but whatever.
Everything you say is correct and you are never wrong. I might as well not bother arguing with you, its a waste of time....hopeless.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Yeah..... no he didn't.
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/?action=view¤t=wolverineKoed1.jpg
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/?action=view¤t=wolverineKoed2.jpg
he wasn't seen again until after 10 pages, even though the X men were fighting with X factor during the whole time. Also note how he retracts his claws right as he's hit.
He does take one or two of the blades in the next issues without being KOed, he credits his healing factor for that. (Note that Angel accidentally shot the blades at him then)
Originally posted by RhinocerosI fail to see how this has much to do with Sabretooth, who was pretty fairly unhindered in his fight with archangel in his CLASSIC days no less. 😬
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/?action=view¤t=wolverineKoed1.jpg
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/?action=view¤t=wolverineKoed2.jpghe wasn't seen again until after 10 pages, even though the X men were fighting with X factor during the whole time. Also note how he retracts his claws right as he's hit.
He does take one or two of the blades in the next issues without being KOed, he credits his healing factor for that. (Note that Angel accidentally shot the blades at him then)
Originally posted by jinzin
I fail to see how this has much to do with Sabretooth, who was pretty fairly unhindered in his fight with archangel in his CLASSIC days no less. 😬
Read his original post.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Archangel's feathers and Pyslocks psy-blades have both had minimal effects on Wolverine and Creed, and both of them short out the nervious system. So even if Panther had his energy daggers in this instant, they likely would have helped him at all.
I corrected him because he obviously didn't know what he was talking about. It was he who brought up Wolverine and therefore I had to correct him.
Btw, do you remember in what issue did Angel capture/fight Sabretooth? Did he even try to use his blades against him?
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/?action=view¤t=wolverineKoed1.jpg
http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/?action=view¤t=wolverineKoed2.jpghe wasn't seen again until after 10 pages, even though the X men were fighting with X factor during the whole time. Also note how he retracts his claws right as he's hit.
He does take one or two of the blades in the next issues without being KOed, he credits his healing factor for that. (Note that Angel accidentally shot the blades at him then)
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Not being seen doesn't mean he was koed. There are too many characters active in the battle to show what they are all doing at every moment. Beast and Psylock where only depicted a few times on panel and they were clearly active in the fight. Rogue and Archangel himself disappear form the panels for multiple pages also.
Originally posted by jinzin
I don't see what that has to do with Sabretooth being able to compensate for angels darts. 🤨
I just found it funny 🙂 Sabretooth walking around sniping people instead of slashing them to bits.
I checked out the comic. Archangel only hits him with only 3 darts which pop out when he violently hits the ground (I don't think it was his healing factor that caused them to pop out by closing the wounds, because it took him more time than that to heal the wound he got on his face) I wager he would've been out for a longer time if the blades had stuck there.
I don't know if he was playing possum or not. he says "I heal fast bub. REAL fast. Neural disruptors hardly fazed me. Too bad you didn't find out.. till it was too late"
He says "too bad you didn't find out.. till it was too late" which leads me to believe that the darts worked, but he healed faster than Archangel thought. I don't really know if he was playing "dead" or not.
Do you think the same amount of blades he shot at Wolverine would have worked against Sabretooth or not?
Btw do you remember in which issue did Angel go after sabes in order to capture him? Sabretooth managed to damage his wing which lead to their eventual destruction, but IIRC he was able to bring Sabretooth back to the X-men.
Lol that is kinda funny.
yeah Sabes may have been dropped for a few, but it definitely wasn't long and once again this was before several upgrades that put him at Wolverine's level. 😬
Oh and you're reffering to Sabretooth:In the red zone. Sabes rips into his wings after Angel tries to take him for a ride. He cascades into a water tower and gets knocked unconcious, it takes the combined X-men red team and the authorities to eventually bring tooth down. Angel definitely didn't bring him back. 😬
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
😕Not being seen doesn't mean he was koed. There are too many characters active in the battle to show what they are all doing at every moment. Beast and Psylock where only depicted a few times on panel and they were clearly active in the fight. Rogue and Archangel himself disappear form the panels for multiple pages also.
God damn.. I know you like Wolverine, but Jesus Christ..
He's the only one of the fighting mutants they don't show for the longest period of time. Hell, even Storm, who doesn't take part in the fight, is shown when Iceman makes the glacier
Wolverine also lands on the X-factors side, he could've attacked Iceman when iceman started to separate the teams from each other.
Don't you think he would've tried to help Jean when she was attacked by the demons?
Beast and Psylocke are both shown, even when they're not fighting. Psylocke when Iceman does his ice glacier and Beast when he gets out of the water.
Rogue was possibly KOed from Cyke's beam, Archangel was also drained by Rogue.
Wolverine's a fighter, do you think he would've stayed out of the fight because he chose to? Perhaps to ponder if he really wanted to fight them. 🙄
It isn't so hard to see that Angel's weathers took him out for at least some time.
