Black Panther vs Sabretooth

Originally posted by SamZED
I wouldnt really call all those instances PIS, man. I mean, it happens all the time. Cap's been thrown through a statue, Moon knight through a wall, heck even Kraven's son has been tossed through a wall. Its just comicbook humans are much tougher than real life humans. But yeah I agree BP would get his hand broken if he punches a cab, even going by comicbook physicas..

If I went into a (insert street level here) thread and posted an example of (insert street level here) getting thrown through a wall and said, 'Look, he has durability enough to take a straight up superhuman punch to the chest because he can take getting thrown through a brick wall,' I would get laughed out of the forum because its such obvious PIS. Physics does matter. If it was acceptable for streets to get thrown through brick walls, what's the point in even having a meta human distinction?

Originally posted by aristoraptor
If I went into a (insert street level here) thread and posted an example of (insert street level here) getting thrown through a wall and said, 'Look, he has durability enough to take a straight up superhuman punch to the chest because he can take getting thrown through a brick wall,' I would get laughed out of the forum because its such obvious PIS. Physics does matter. If it was acceptable for streets to get thrown through brick walls, what's the point in even having a meta human distinction?

Originally posted by SamZED
Because meta humans are even toughER? That would've been the case if we were talking about "he took a punch from the Hulk so he can take class 100 hits!" then yeah, you would've been laughed out. But its a known and accepted fact that comicbook humans got durability waaaay beyong real life humans. Getting hit through a wall and not getting koed is SUCH a common thing that isnt even concidered impressive and calling it PIS would be incorrect.

This is fair, but I think we've gotten a little off topic. I guess my whole point was that either a) HoM Sabertooth is weaker than 616 Sabertooth or b) this fight is PIS. To better illustrate my point, do you think its reasonable for the arm of a street guy to stand up to the force of a blow capable of crushing a cab?

Originally posted by aristoraptor
This is fair, but I think we've gotten a little off topic. I guess my whole point was that either a) HoM Sabertooth is weaker than 616 Sabertooth or b) this fight is PIS. To better illustrate my point, do you think its reasonable for the arm of a street guy to stand up to the force of a blow capable of crushing a cab?

Ok, that's really the only point I was trying to make.

Oy..... Starscream... I was going to reply to your post but I think Wild Shadow just about covered it with this:

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
facepalm

The fact that you think you made a legitimate counter to all of my examples makes this really difficult for me take seriously. I realized that if I were to engage in showing you just HOW wrong every one of your counters were point for point (and believe me they ARE), I'd be wasting my time filling up this debate with quite literally over half of Sabretooth's career, and some of Wolverine's too. I'd be better off just giving you a link to Creed's respect thread (even though it's only four clicks away).

It would be one thing if you were just ignorant to Sabretooth's feats, or even just ignoring them... like Creed taking class 100 blows... but you're ALSO being illogical here, and to a massive degree... You just tried to convince me that Black Panther can repell more force with one outstretched arm than an entire car. 😕

I don't even know what to say to that.

The bottem line is that you can accept one of two things (which have incidently already been pointed out);

1.) That HOM Creed was multitudes weaker and less capible than his 616 counterpart going by appearances.

OR (and this is far more likely)...

2.) That the HoM fight was straight up Hudlin inspired PIS with Hudlin (a former President of BET) SEVERLY low balling Creed in an attempt to make BP look better (ballin', pimp, tight, gansta) as he had done throughout his entire take on T'challa;

I.E. Wakandan tech > Latverian tech. 😂
The one hitter quiter gut punch classic PB planted on Cap. 😬
Or the ol' cosmic armbar that got slapped on Silver Surfer. 😐

Even if all you had to go off of was Hom Creed's fight against BP vs 616 Creed's fight against BP... it's VERY easy to distinguish how far apart these two are in the threat deparment.

Sabertooth.

@jinzin

i thought my mister T was a better one..

you Fool! i pity the fool! with all his jipper japper!!

If that was T's knight-elf Mohawk then you may have been on to something...

Originally posted by Darth Vegas
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he "died" when the muramasa blade lopped his head off, but that was obviously after that ^ took place so he must have healed (if that was the real creed and not just a sinister clone (if he was able to make one, he said it was too difficult *shrugs*))

and is that canon?

no it's House of M storyline...

What actually took place in that story and what didn't are a mix-up...
After that fight BP mails Creed's head in a box back to Magneto iirc.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
that was pretty cool, but what happened to sabretooth after that?

he "died" when the muramasa blade lopped his head off, but that was obviously after that ^ took place so he must have healed (if that was the real creed and not just a sinister clone (if he was able to make one, he said it was too difficult *shrugs*))

and is that canon?

Originally posted by Starscream M
uh creed can't heal a decapitation without help

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According to whom?

Wolverine already healed this way back when his HF was far weaker.
Xavier even implied it wouldn't work.

Originally posted by jinzin
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According to whom?

Wolverine already healed this way back when his HF was far weaker.
Xavier even implied it wouldn't work.

I'd love to see this...but once again, you're prob have no evidence just like when you claimed creed healed from a piece of minced meat

Originally posted by Starscream M
when has wolverine healed decapitation ONPANEL without assistance?

I'd love to see this...but once again, you're prob have no evidence just like when you claimed creed healed from a piece of minced meat

Wolverine stated that's what happened. What motivation does he have to lie?

It was stated that he got decaped by an SS officer in his own journal... what motivation does he have to lie?

Is there anything you're not willing to ignore?
Though it's no surprise that you think it's impossible for these characters to do the things they've done when you think 1 bullet from a handgun is enough to down Creed. 😐

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine stated that's what happened. What motivation does he have to lie?

😘

After the punishment Creed had to put up with fighting Juggernaught, Gambit and Northstar.. I kinda doubt that.

Originally posted by jinzin
Wolverine stated that's what happened. What motivation does he have to lie?

It was stated that he got decaped by an SS officer in his own journal... what motivation does he have to lie?

Is there anything you're not willing to ignore?
Though it's no surprise that you think it's impossible for these characters to do the things they've done when you think 1 bullet from a handgun is enough to down Creed. 😐

Originally posted by Starscream M
um don't you often dismiss events that happened in comics as PIS or poor writing...well I would chalk up wolverine saying he healed after decapitation (WITH NO VISUAL EVIDENCE) as a instance of poor writing....or more likely, someone put his head back on and allowed him to heal, why would that be so unlikely? Wolverine never said he didn't get help.

Un ho I don't.

Wolverine didn't say he heald decapitation, the SS german officer who odered him to be decapitated did. What motivation does he have to lie in his own journal? Who in the hell would put his head back?

It's unlikely because he was in enemy territory surrounded by German troops trying like hell to keep him dead.

No one said he got help.

Originally posted by jinzin
Un ho I don't.

Wolverine didn't say he heald decapitation, the SS german officer who odered him to be decapitated did. What motivation does he have to lie in his own journal? Who in the hell would put his head back?

It's unlikely because he was in enemy territory surrounded by German troops trying like hell to keep him dead.

No one said he got help.

even in an enemy territory, there is a high probability someone was sympathetic to logan and decided to help him

are you suggesting the head grew legs and walked itself to the body and attached itself