Originally posted by Starscream M
oh really...which powers did creed or panther have in HoM that they didn't have in 616
Ya rly! I didn't say a word about them having new powers. You said they were the same. Why HoM Creed looks so different from his 616 counterpart? Maybe the fact that he hasn't undergone any upgrades has something to do with it?
It's a different reality. Different skills, methods, less feats, most likely these characters are less experienced...
Originally posted by Starscream M
not really. iirc, panther even told logan later that he was fine the whole time.
He wouldn't admit his life was in danger even if he faced Galactus. But anyway... I guess Wolverine saying that he could have handled Wonder Man also counts? Fine. I'll keep that in mind.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWlol...creed looks different from issue to issue, from artist to artist...I doubt he's a different persona everytime he looks 'different'
Ya rly! I didn't say a word about them having new powers. You said they were the same. Why HoM Creed looks so different from his 616 counterpart? Maybe the fact that he hasn't undergone any upgrades has something to do with it?It's a different reality. Different skills, methods, less feats, most likely these characters are less experienced...
He wouldn't admit his life was in danger even if he faced Galactus. But anyway... I guess Wolverine saying that he could have handled Wonder Man also counts? Fine. I'll keep that in mind.
are you calling BP a liar? BP prob had backup plans...he's you know, only one of the smartest people on Marvel. He would never lose to a psycho like Creed (and Im a big creed fan)
Originally posted by Starscream M
lol...creed looks different from issue to issue, from artist to artist...I doubt he's a different persona everytime he looks 'different'are you calling BP a liar? BP prob had backup plans...he's you know, only one of the smartest people on Marvel. He would never lose to a psycho like Creed (and Im a big creed fan)
You realize 616 events didn't take place in that reality? Thus he wasn't upgraded.
And one of the most arrogant people in Marvel. Would you decide to go h2h with Tooth first instead of using all those gadgets? Fact is, Sabes wasn't at 100%, got cheap shotted and still got the upper hand. Deal with it.
1.) Creed's capible of sneaking up close enough to blow out a match lit by Wolverine and dissapear on an open city street before Wolverine can turn around, doing it without Wolverine able to even lock in on his scent....
He can't get within pistol range distance of BP while Panthers talking to Storm without getting caught much less taken by surprise himself? (BTW where the hell is his night vision?)
2.) He was put on the ground by one bullet to the chest area.
I'm not even going to address how wrong that is.
3.) In 616 he pounces a cab hard enough to completely crush it, causing it to explode in the process.
He tries to pounce T'challa can gets stopped by a gut punch?
4.) Panther puts him to the ground with several slams to his head....
This is the same guy who in 616 laughs at Sasquatch punching him in the face, but Panther gives him brain damage?
5.) End of the fight, 2 strikes from BP put him on the ground.... AGAIN.... 😐
Again, not even going to begin to address what's wrong with that.
6.) BP casually takes Sabes head off with one swing of a sword....
A superhuman couldn't even put a machete deep into Creeds head in 616.
😐
You don't see the difference?
At the VERY LEAST this is just Hudlin's goofyness afoot.
1. what a character is capable of and what he does is two different things entirely. BP also has extraordinory senses.
2. a bullet to the chest could mean a bullet to his vitals. which would put him down.
3. a cab doesn't hit back. t'challa does. nuff said.
4. sas incident was PIS.
5. BP is extremely skilled fighter and knows pressure points and weak areas.
6. Swords >>>> machete.
Originally posted by Starscream M3. a cab doesn't hit back. t'challa does. nuff said
I sympathize with your argument, but the physics here are all wrong.
1. Sabretooth can come down with enough force to blow up a cab.
2. At the same time Sabretooth hits the cab, the cab is exerting force back onto Sabretooth.
3. Sabretooth's force is so much greater than that of the cab, the cab is crushed.
I think all of this is uncontroversial. Now, imagine this scenario:
1. T'Challa punches a cab on top as hard as he can.
2. At the same time BP hits the cab, the cab exerts force back on to his fist.
What happens in 3? Well, imho, T'Challa probably breaks his fist. He can't exert enough force to break the cab; in fact, the sum of his force and the force of the cab probably shatters his arm.
Even if this doesn't happen and his fist is fine, I don't think he's breaking the cab. His force isn't great enough. Since this is the case, the force of his punch isn't nearly enough to stop an oncoming Sabretooth- who had enough force to absolutely demolish the cab. This fact alone makes me think HoM BP vs. Sabes is inadmissible.
Originally posted by aristoraptoryour logic would hold up were real physics followed in comics...it is not
I sympathize with your argument, but the physics here are all wrong.1. Sabretooth can come down with enough force to blow up a cab.
2. At the same time Sabretooth hits the cab, the cab is exerting force back onto Sabretooth.
3. Sabretooth's force is so much greater than that of the cab, the cab is crushed.I think all of this is uncontroversial. Now, imagine this scenario:
1. T'Challa punches a cab on top as hard as he can.
2. At the same time BP hits the cab, the cab exerts force back on to his fist.What happens in 3? Well, imho, T'Challa probably breaks his fist. He can't exert enough force to break the cab; in fact, the sum of his force and the force of the cab probably shatters his arm.
Even if this doesn't happen and his fist is fine, I don't think he's breaking the cab. His force isn't great enough. Since this is the case, the force of his punch isn't nearly enough to stop an oncoming Sabretooth- who had enough force to absolutely demolish the cab. This fact alone makes me think HoM BP vs. Sabes is inadmissible.
how many times have street levelers been thrown through brick walls and not had one broken bone. technically at the force they were thrown to break through a break wall...it meant the brick wall was smashing into them with enough force to break their bones...yet that doesn't happen.
Originally posted by Starscream M
your logic would hold up were real physics followed in comics...it is nothow many times have street levelers been thrown through brick walls and not had one broken bone. technically at the force they were thrown to break through a break wall...it meant the brick wall was smashing into them with enough force to break their bones...yet that doesn't happen.
...except those cases are all PIS, which is off in a forum fight. Also, they're fighting in an arena with physics ON, so it shouldn't matter for the purposes of this thread.
Originally posted by aristoraptorI wouldnt really call all those instances PIS, man. I mean, it happens all the time. Cap's been thrown through a statue, Moon knight through a wall, heck even Kraven's son has been tossed through a wall. Its just comicbook humans are much tougher than real life humans. But yeah I agree BP would get his hand broken if he punches a cab, even going by comicbook physicas..
...except those cases are all PIS, which is off in a forum fight. Also, they're fighting in an arena with physics ON, so it shouldn't matter for the purposes of this thread.