Originally posted by Mr MasterTis, a shame he couldn't even pull out one single feat.
What are we to do with these trolls that infest the forum.
God, here is shown eating Micheal. He has killed everyone in Heaven.
He also defends Spectre's attack from behind with a sword like nothing.
Spectre, has actually attacked God, but yet is, quite helpless.
God could have easily slain Spectre like nothing.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1512/spectre6101fq0.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/6717/spectre6102do2.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2651/spectre6103iz7.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/4032/spectre6104vw0.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8225/spectre6105bt0.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2961/spectre6106fo2.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4919/spectre6107ct1.jpg
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5435/spectre6108qv0.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5574/spectre6109od9.jpg
I also feel that everything Spectre has ever done, God could do one million times over.
He did after all create Micheal, who on panel has wrecked Spectre on more than one occasion.
And then in the post above, God was shown eating Micheal, and then making Spectre look like a new born against Mike Tyson.(I heard he likes those things...)
Originally posted by bigbran
Tis, a shame he couldn't even pull out one single feat.
Well, here it goes.
Courtesy of Skeets.God, here is shown eating Micheal. He has killed everyone in Heaven.
He also defends Spectre's attack from behind with a sword like nothing.
Spectre, has actually attacked God, but yet is, quite helpless.
God could have easily slain Spectre like nothing.
Those scans are dope.
I'm indulging the Spectre series as of late, it seems trully interesting.
Originally posted by bigbran
I also feel that everything Spectre has ever done, God could do one million times over.
He did after all create Micheal, who on panel has wrecked Spectre on more than one occasion.
And then in the post above, God was shown eating Micheal, and then making Spectre look like a new born against Mike Tyson.(I heard he likes those things...)
What's with the madness though? 😂
Seems kinda out of the "expected character" one would see in Almighty God/Presence.
Now, we all know, that the Source wall is the power behind the almighty(Darkseid, Superman)
Yet, he doesn't want shit to do with Lucifer.
What does this prove exactly?
What it proves, is that Lucifer is above the Source Wall, to a point of not even noticing him.
While Micheal is equal to Lucifer. Which on panel, Micheal was a little Fruit-Rollup to God.
Supreme, yes!
More, of course!
Lucifer is able to kill Immortal beings. Fenris the Wolf, he is the immortal god of destruction
http://www3.flickr.com/photos/ddofer/127832770/in/set-72057594104607199/
http://www3.flickr.com/photos/ddofer/127833094/in/set-72057594104607199/
Micheal is equal to Lucifer, which also means that he would get crushed like a coke can, against a train, to God.
The angles(Lucifer, Micheal) can destroy immortal beings.
God can eat everyone in Heaven.
Micheal has even beaten Spectre 2x before.(I'll get them if you need them.)
This would also show that Lucifer and Micheal are above Spectre.
Even the second most powerful beings in DC/Vertigo are still nothing to God.
Originally posted by Mr MasterWhy do you think he would make the Spectre?
What's with the madness though? 😂Seems kinda out of the "expected character" one would see in Almighty God/Presence.
I understand the difference between what Warlock and Beyonder did, but was using it as an example that we don't even have proof that Beyonder is more powerful than LT. LT has let universal concepts be destroyed before. Even though LT is the multiversal judge, he judges the individual universes. He allowed Adam his outburst and was willing to even let the concept of time/Eternity to be replaced (and who knew, not counting TOAA, what Adam intended for the universe if he were to replace Eternity). Adam seemed unstoppable, and prior to him Thanos who stilled the 616 Abstracts with a thought when he grew bored with the fight, but by over-ruling him LT cemented his place.
Eternity claimed that if he was complete (Multi-Eternity) then he wouldn't have problem dealing with the IG, and I think that its accepted that even complete, LT could still handle Multi-Eternity. He is the multi-versal judge. Then again, Eternity thought the combined might of the 616 concepts could stand against the IG and how wrong he proved to be.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Exactly,That's what some are not understanding.
they're saying, "TOAA created a Multi-verse, and that is no mere Universe"
😆
But Beyonder's UNIVERSE was roughly 22 QUINTILLION times Bigger than that,
A UNIVERSE to which OUR OWN is as a DROPLET of Water to the Ocean
There are 22 Quintillion drops of Water in the Ocean, according to the Mathematical Biosciences Intitute in 2005 and the Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Or simply INFINITE:
"Meeting NO resistance in the INFINITE BEYOND.
IDK, I see in the same way we (I'm assuming) compare universal entities to multi-versal entities in the sense of which is the greater feat. TOAA created the multi-verse whereas Beyonder created only a universe.
Adam obliterated Death (along with the other concepts) in one universe, Beyonder obliterated it in the multiverse. One a multi-versal feat vs a universal feat. Because Adam only obliterated a universal concept you say that his feat is less. Because Beyonder performed creation on a universal scale you say his feat is greater.
In the cosmic scale size has no true bearing so which one is it?
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
So the supreme being can never be replaced...?
At his time Beyonder was the supreme being.
And now after his retcon TOAA took his place.It's like some think, that history have reached its end, that history is no longer writen.
Are we talking about the dates the characters were created? The TOAA was created as having always been LT's boss, so technically he was always around, just never mentioned. Perhaps because he was beyond the Beyonder.
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTU
Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis...
It's more symbolic, children belive in a higher being, just because they lack of intelligence. Why do you think he was the only one praying.And if:
What did the "father in heaven" do to prevent this?
Nothing, Beyonder took them all out when "father in heaven" didn't do a squat.
Free will? Perhaps because he knew how it would turn out? People die in accidents every day from forces as small as gravity and a 3 story drop. TOAA could prevent these things too. Just because he did nothing doesn't actually prove anything. He wants to see his creations grow and learn...and guess what the Beyonder did?
Originally posted by Mr Master
but Existence is ONLY what is, not what will be, that would be Future existence.
Not if you're omni-present, ie TOAA.
Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]"allowed to exist in the realm of existance"?Where did you read that?
And who said the Beyond Realm was the Realm of Non-Existence?
Post-retcon IIRC. Eternity said he allowed the Beyonders to conduct their experiment.
Originally posted by Mr Master
And so Beyonder could have destroyed Time, the Timestream as a whole in Fact
Marvel, as we know it, would have been ERASED
Adam destroy*ed* Marvel (616) as we know it (when he obliterated the abstracts present). LT snapped his fingers.
Originally posted by Mr Master
[B]
When you show me where it says TOAA had anything to do with Beyonder's entrance or exit of the Multi-verse, we'll continue on that one.
😮💨
TOAA created all in existence and is omnipresent. Perhaps he had a spicy ham sandwich - burped - and hey, here comes the Beyonder.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Beyonder also wasn't sure he could bring back Death:Remember he sometimes didn't know his own capabilities.
Which is why I said:
Beyonder > TOAA in power, but Not Omniscience
But he was so sure he was the power Supreme. He supposedly could've snapped his fingers if he was truly what he claimed. He obviously didn't truly destroy the concept or else the less powerful Molecule Man wouldn't have been aware the rose could've died.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Well, when the Presence creates an Infinite Universe like the Beyonder did, I'll take that into consideration.AM only left less than TEN Universes in the prior DC Multi-verse, (NOT INFINITE)
The Presence held ALL of creation in his hand (NOT INFINITE)
Where is the "twisting of words" when I NOW say Beyonder's UNIVERSE is INFINITE!!!
"Meeting NO resistance in the INFINITE BEYOND.INFINITE > NOT INFINITE
I'm not sure if this comparison holds up because of how DC's universe/multiverse is designed. Marvel has multi-verses, DC has hypertime. But the same effect. Marvel's eXiles travel to different universes in the multi-verse. Red Son Superman takes place in hypertime, an alternate reality. After COIE there was only one universe with hypertime. Inifinite diversity but a lot easier for fans of continuity to keep up with. I guess you could say a multiverse's worth of energy in one universe.
FWIW The Beyonder's universe is 22 Quintillion times the size of ours. If ours isn't inifinite then thanks to that precise measurement neither is his. But the universe the Presence created is stated to be infinite so this really get us nowhere. Just because the Presence can hold an inifinite universe in his hand doesn't mean its not infinite. It means the Presence can do *anything*.
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Beyonder was never trully defeated either,
The Beyonder isn't omniscient. We only have his words to believe here.
Infallibility is directly related to power in this arguement however: 'sure to succeed'. There no clear division here. If the Beyonder were the Supreme power then he would be able to defeat the Presence. Stalemate wouldn't seem to be an option in this case. Either the Beyonder is the Supreme power and defeats the Presence or the Presence is infallible and Beyonder gets retconned.
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Originally posted by Mr MasterWhat I said about your arguement style, I meant mostly for this thread, but I've seen it in few others as well, I'm just not always involved or obliged to point it out as a result. Then again, I'm not perfect either. 😉
SO DC creation and Beyonder's Universe are Equal,like I said from the beginning,
STALEMATE!
I didn't want to use those terms, but your tongue has no hairs, so I obliged.
I rather say you misinterpreted the scans, which isn't something to go crazy over, I have in the past and I'm sure I still, I learn and move forawrd, but when I know I'm right, I'll defend that to the end.
How intriguing, I felt you were twisting scans also.
F you too.
Now your beginning to worry me,
Because I told you several times, I NEVER SAID Beyonder was INFALLIBLE!!!
TOAA and the Presence are Infallible
youpi
I could care less about infallibility, but in Power,
Beyonder > TOAA
Beyonder = Presence
try reading Marvel, you seem as confused as Grimm.
The Beyonder was never trully defeated either,
As for the rest of that- I'll simply respect that your opinion is a stalemate powerwise, but that Presence has the leg up due to being omniscient to boot.
Fair assessment?
http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b2ie8.jpg
That sums it up.
There is/was no force more poweful than him.
Omnisient isnt a factor when it comes to omnipotence in battle.
Because either way they will keep on fighting each other for "omni-time".
You cannot kill a truley omnipotent being...
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUthat was the beyonder (who is nowhere near omniscent) refering to himself when he was saying no one could destroy him......... unless he was omniscent then how could he know if god could destroy him?
http://img96.imageshack.us/my.php?image=b2ie8.jpgThat sums it up.
There is/was no force more poweful than him.Omnisient isnt a factor when it comes to omnipotence in battle.
Because either way they will keep on fighting each other for "omni-time".
You cannot kill a truley omnipotent being...
Originally posted by bigbrani liked that issue, but i didnt like how god was portrayed as a cooky/crazy looking old man lol
Tis, a shame he couldn't even pull out one single feat.
Well, here it goes.
Courtesy of Skeets.God, here is shown eating Micheal. He has killed everyone in Heaven.
He also defends Spectre's attack from behind with a sword like nothing.
Spectre, has actually attacked God, but yet is, quite helpless.
God could have easily slain Spectre like nothing.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1512/spectre6101fq0.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/6717/spectre6102do2.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2651/spectre6103iz7.jpg
http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/4032/spectre6104vw0.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8225/spectre6105bt0.jpg
http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/2961/spectre6106fo2.jpg
http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4919/spectre6107ct1.jpg
http://img164.imageshack.us/img164/5435/spectre6108qv0.jpg
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5574/spectre6109od9.jpg
Originally posted by galan7777777
i liked that issue, but i didnt like how god was portrayed as a cooky/crazy looking old man lol
Read the whole shit: http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestials2bq9.jpg
What does Beyonder say he is? - OMNISIENT!
Originally posted by Thanos_THOTUanyone can say they are omniscent but does theat make it true in all cases? and we have already said that beyonder wasnt omniscent as god is
Read the whole shit: http://img122.imageshack.us/my.php?image=beyondervscelestials2bq9.jpg
What does Beyonder say he is? - OMNISIENT!
The beyonder is done. He isn't all powerful. He isn't even all knowing. He's one of the most powerful creatures in existance. But to God, that means nothing. The Lord Giveth and He taketh away. The beyonder is never even shown facing anything remotely Omnicient. He has defeated no one that someone else could not defeat.He's done nothing on panel, that someone else has not or could not.
Originally posted by galan7777777
anyone can say they are omniscent but does theat make it true in all cases? and we have already said that beyonder wasnt omniscent as god is
He made that statement after Doom took his power, so then he knew what desire was.
