Flash/Hal Jordan vs. The Runner and Silver Surfer

Originally posted by UniOmni
When i said this, it was aimed at Jesse7, when she said that narration at times, lends itself to hyperbole.
I wasn't cosigning Soleran.

But at best, flash can outrun them for a time. Can he really do anything to take them down??

Ohmi, Flash has much more then speed, the speed force allowsh im to do so much more, to manipulate matter and energy, to steal and or give or manipulate the very energy and essence which allows beings (cosmic or human, flesh or energy) to hold together, to move ,to have sentience, to attack to fly defend etc. He also has the IMPs which would KO and or kill SS or the runneer while moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light, add the speed formula to that you have a [i]very[i] powerful punch

Flash could do so much to SS and the Runner, he could take their kinitic energy entirely and leave them dead or inanimated, he could trascend time, space, and reality around him and others to go back and kill Norrin before he existed.

Flash showed that he could Effortlessly and instantly trascend all of time, space and reality, to go anywhere he wants, past, present, future, he even went up the stairs of creation and then back to where he left.

I haven't even begun to say much of what Hal can do, I'll leave that to Juanti, but with Flash and Hal moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light (this was on panel) and with SS and the runner inannimate, or to over kill Flash uses the speed formula and then IMPs them or writes them out of time, the runner can be defeated and or killed by time.

Team 1 10/10 over team 2.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Ohmi, Flash has much more then speed, the speed force allowsh im to do so much more, to manipulate matter and energy, to steal and or give or manipulate the very energy and essence which allows beings (cosmic or human, flesh or energy) to hold together, to move ,to have sentience, to attack to fly defend etc. He also has the IMPs which would KO and or kill SS or the runneer while moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light, add the speed formula to that you have a [i]very[i] powerful punch

Flash could do so much to SS and the Runner, he could take their kinitic energy entirely and leave them dead or inanimated, he could trascend time, space, and reality around him and others to go back and kill Norrin before he existed.

Flash showed that he could Effortlessly and instantly trascend all of time, space and reality, to go anywhere he wants, past, present, future, he even went up the stairs of creation and then back to where he left.

I haven't even begun to say much of what Hal can do, I'll leave that to Juanti, but with Flash and Hal moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light (this was on panel) and with SS and the runner inannimate, or to over kill Flash uses the speed formula and then IMPs them or writes them out of time, the runner can be defeated and or killed by time.

Team 1 10/10 over team 2.

Originally posted by Inhuman
LOL at the thought of flash being a match for any of these these 2.
lets take a look at who each them fight.

-Runner has taken on the likes of Silver surfer, Thanos, Galactus, other elders
Silver surfer has battled...Thanos, Other heralds, champion, tons of cosmic powerhouses, ect.
-Flash battles captain cold, zoom, Gorilla grod, the top, captain boomerang, weather wizard
I think flash is a wee bit out of his league here.😬
All this speed force talk giberish makes him sound godly, but yet he loses fights to the likes of deathstroke. He isnt as godly as you guys make him out to be. come now.

plus they can always just blow up the planet.

And blowing up the planet isn't going to work, that's already been covered.

Originally posted by Inhuman
LOL at the thought of flash being a match for any of these these 2.
lets take a look at who each them fight.

-Runner has taken on the likes of Silver surfer, Thanos, Galactus, other elders
Silver surfer has battled...Thanos, Other heralds, champion, tons of cosmic powerhouses, ect.
-Flash battles captain cold, zoom, Gorilla grod, the top, captain boomerang, weather wizard
I think flash is a wee bit out of his league here.😬
All this speed force talk giberish makes him sound godly, but yet he loses fights to the likes of deathstroke. He isnt as godly as you guys make him out to be. come now.

plus they can always just blow up the planet. 😎

Stop being a fanboy and actually take a look at what Flash has done, he could take all of the runners energy from him, as he has done this to much higher beings the herald or elder level, he could then IMP the runner and or SS while moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light which would ko or kill SS and or the Runner, for over kill he uses the speed formula.

It doesn't take a scientist to think about what the power of a exploding white dwarf star moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light, and then condensed and focused into the size of a first, and to further this he uses the speed formula where he is on a plane where all time is stopped, E=MC2 to get a idea of what this means.

You can try and use the Runner is a immortal so cant be killed, doesn't matter he can easily be ko'ed, and he could be erased from time as the runner has shown he is not immune and is very succeptable to time manipulation, Flash manipulates time (on a level SS has never done, which flash has done on panel) and writes him out of time, by going back and killing him.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Stop being a fanboy

and actually take a look at what Flash has done, he could take all of the runners energy from him, as he has done this to much higher beings the herald or elder level, he could then IMP the runner and or SS while moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light which would ko or kill SS and or the Runner, for over kill he uses the speed formula.

It doesn't take a scientist to think about what the power of a exploding white dwarf star moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light, and then condensed and focused into the size of a first, and to further this he uses the speed formula where he is on a plane where all time is stopped, E=MC2 to get a idea of what this means.

You can try and use the Runner is a immortal so cant be killed, doesn't matter he can easily be ko'ed,

and he could be erased from time as the runner has shown he is not immune and is very succeptable to time manipulation,

Originally posted by Inhuman

😆 immune to the time manipulation? you mean the gem? Do you know what the time gem is or is capable of?

Please for the love of god stop with the 20 trillion times light thing.Your wrong.There is no argument here.When the writer blatantly says something that says less than light speed all the math in the world can't help you.Also the Black Flash thing is idiotic too.If death has no meaning at the end of time than why would the speed force still be in effect?Death herself has said that she ends the universe.So at the end of time there's death and then nothing not even speed.

Not much in Runner's hand. Flash's time control abilities are far beyond anything Surfer or he have ever displayed.

So your saying flash time controlling abilities equal or surpass the time gem?
Because that level of time manipulation only, has had any affect on runner. Because his time skill would have to rank up there to mess with these 2.

Originally posted by superbatman86
Please for the love of god stop with the 20 trillion times light thing.Your wrong.There is no argument here.When the writer blatantly says something that says less than light speed all the math in the world can't help you.Also the Black Flash thing is idiotic too.If death has no meaning at the end of time than why would the speed force still be in effect?Death herself has said that she ends the universe.So at the end of time there's death and then nothing not even speed.

To bad on panel feats with proof > panel narration on these forums, take it up with a mod if you don't like it that a rule on this forum is no PIS.

Secondly by your logic we all went by narraration as the highest for of cannon, then do you know how many beings would so called "omnipotent"? or "invincible"? or "Infinite"?

Thats why PIS isn't allowed, and it has been mathamatically proven that flash went roughly twenty trillion times the speed of light during his korea rescue feat.

Originally posted by superbatman86
Please for the love of god stop with the 20 trillion times light thing.Your wrong.There is no argument here.When the writer blatantly says something that says less than light speed all the math in the world can't help you.Also the Black Flash thing is idiotic too.If death has no meaning at the end of time than why would the speed force still be in effect?Death herself has said that she ends the universe.So at the end of time there's death and then nothing not even speed.

Originally posted by Inhuman
so your saying flash time control abilities far outclass the time gem? 😕
You know one of the infinity gems Thanos became god with?

The gems by themselves are not in any way "godlike", nor do they in anyway make their weilders "godlike", it is only when they are assembled together.

Originally posted by Juntai
When was that said and who said it?
Are you speaking of Marvel's death? Why would that apply to Wally, a DCU character, outrunning the concept of Death?
Or the Vertigo character? To which I ask the same.
Or..?

Ill Pm you the scans and explinations.

Originally posted by Inhuman
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Originally posted by Jesse7
The gems by themselves are not in any way "godlike", nor do they in anyway make their weilders "godlike", it is only when they are assembled together.

Originally posted by Juntai
I kinda thought you would edit that. 😉

fixed it😉

Originally posted by Juntai
Not that Runner could use it to such a degree anyways. He didn't know how to control it.

No one knew how to control the gems till Thanos found out his big secret. which was of coarse the infinity gems, and how they once were 1 and were part of an omnipotent being.
Thanos was the first since the godlike being to use the gems to their full(or close their full) potential.

Originally posted by Inhuman
So your saying flash time controlling abilities equal or surpass the time gem?
Because that level of time manipulation only, has had any affect on runner. Because his time skill would have to rank up there to mess with these 2.

Flash's reality, time, and space trascending/manipulation feat when he raced death by feat wise is above the time gem by itself, Flash was able to go anywhere in time, space, reality, and even outside existence where Abstractual concepts didnt exist, and then he was able to effortlessly return to where he left.

What does this mean? It means Flash go could back and kill the Runner, or he could take the runner out of existence where he is not banned from deaths realm and kill him there, the concept of death will be created when he kills Runner outside of existence (but this new death didnt ban runner so he can die).

Or Flash could take the runner outside of time and or existence and take all his kinitic energy away, thus leaving the runner forever inanimate, thus a BFR which is still a win by forum rules.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Flash's reality, time, and space trascending/manipulation feat when he raced death by feat wise is above the time gem by itself, Flash was able to go anywhere in time, space, reality, and even outside existence where Abstractual concepts didnt exist.

Originally posted by Inhuman
and surfer hasnt gone back in time, and other crazy time feats yada yada?

No SS has not in the way Flash has and can, SS has been shown he can only do it under special circumstances and in special places, Flash can and has done it on a level beyond anything SS has ever done, and flash does it effortlessly, SS strugles.

Originally posted by Inhuman
and surfer hasnt gone back in time, and other crazy time feats yada yada?

The only time thing people could muster up for Surfer was one random scan of him falling through time, and it wasn't even clear on if he did it on his own power and under what circumstances. But time control and travel are not considered part of his typical powerset, and he only does so under special circumstances, to my knowledge.