Flash/Hal Jordan vs. The Runner and Silver Surfer

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Originally posted by Jesse7
No SS has not in the way Flash has and can, SS has been shown he can only do it under special circumstances and in special places, Flash can and has done it on a level beyond anything SS has ever done, and flash does it effortlessly, SS strugles.

🤨 wtf?
Surfer can only do it under certain circumstances?
Like when he did it casually just to prove a point to - I think it was nova?
He went back in time(or was it future 😕 )just to educate her on how that planet she was going to sacrifice would have life in the future(or used to house life).

Originally posted by Jesse7

What does this mean? It means Flash go could back and kill the Runner, or he could take the runner out of existence where he is not banned from deaths realm and kill him there, the concept of death will be created when he kills Runner outside of existence (but this new death didnt ban runner so he can die).

Wait, so your saying that Flash wins by running away?! I'm sorry but under those circumstances, the Runner would win the fight.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, so your saying that Flash wins by running away?! I'm sorry but under those circomstances, the Runner would win the fight.

Re read then if thats what you think I said, because I didn't, Flash takes runner against his will outside of time by warping/manipulating the time around them before runner even knows what happens, not only because flash is trillions of times faster but also because the runner will have no kinitic energy what so ever, and then he just leaves the runner outside of time and or existence forever inanimate via no kinitic energy, bfr is a win on this forum unless other wise stated by op.

Originally posted by Jesse7
Re read then if thats what you think I said, because I didn't, Flash takes runner against his will outside of time by warping/manipulating the time around them before runner even knows what happens, not only because flash is trillions of times faster but also because the runner will have no kinitic energy what so ever, and then he just leaves the runner outside of time and or existence forever inanimate via no kinitic energy, bfr is a win on this forum unless other wise stated by op.

No I meant the part about him going back in time to kill Runner. And where's your proof that Flash is TRILLIONS of times faster than Runner? And why is Surfer going to stand there and let all this happen?

Originally posted by darthgoober
No I meant the part about him going back in time to kill Runner. And where's your proof that Flash is TRILLIONS of times faster than Runner? And why is Surfer going to stand there and let all this happen?

The Surfer is not going to stand there and let it happen. He's going to be too busy fighting thousands of Green daxamites and Plasma cannons and universe holding shields.

this...is...retarded. and don't tell me i haven't read enough DC, because i have; i'm well aware of the upper limits of flash and hal.

but f*cking really, the forum rules totally TOTALLY ruin DC characters. they take what should be an interesting fight and reduce it to "well in six out of his six thousand appearances, flash went trillions the speed of light and time travelled to the end of time" as if that is what flash does all the damn time.

same thing with hal. who cares about pre-crisis one off feats? hal's normal level still gets ****ed up by some mutant shark.

without the extremely, extremely annoying "highest two feats only" thing, i'd say surfer and runner 7-8/10.

Why would that work? He can fly. Create a breathing aparatus with the speedforce, etc.

Show me scan of him fighting in space like he normaly does in an atmosphere, cause frankly he doesnt have any feat fighting in space until he does he gets owned quite easily..

Ohmi, Flash has much more then speed, the speed force allowsh im to do so much more, to manipulate matter and energy, to steal and or give or manipulate the very energy and essence which allows beings (cosmic or human, flesh or energy) to hold together, to move ,to have sentience, to attack to fly defend etc. He also has the IMPs which would KO and or kill SS or the runneer while moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light, add the speed formula to that you have a [i]very[i] powerful punch

So he is able to manipulate matter now? Like say turn an element to diff. element, energy to diff. form of energy or say biomolecular evolved a being, ive read quite a few Flash comics but ive never come across what you said, his done a few but not to the extent of the 2CB's his fighting. You do know Both SS and Runner also possess those powers w/ actual proof on panel..

Flash could do so much to SS and the Runner, he could take their kinitic energy entirely and leave them dead or inanimated, he could trascend time, space, and reality around him and others to go back and kill Norrin before he existed.

Both can do desame to Flash worked both ways... and i doubt he'd be able to do it in space..

Flash showed that he could Effortlessly and instantly trascend all of time, space and reality, to go anywhere he wants, past, present, future, he even went up the stairs of creation and then back to where he left.

Awesome, so how will this help him fighting against these 2 CB's.

Stop being a fanboy and actually take a look at what Flash has done, he could take all of the runners energy from him, as he has done this to much higher beings the herald or elder level, he could then IMP the runner and or SS while moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light which would ko or kill SS and or the Runner, for over kill he uses the speed formula.

You should also take a look at what SS and Runner has done. Honestly were not the fanboys here..

It doesn't take a scientist to think about what the power of a exploding white dwarf star moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light, and then condensed and focused into the size of a first, and to further this he uses the speed formula where he is on a plane where all time is stopped, E=MC2 to get a idea of what this means.

It also doesnt take a scientest to understand SS absorbing enough energy to destroy a Universe, or absorbed powers of Galaxies, + being able to reform after his molecules being scattered or his body destroyed.. Or we could absorbed both there souls cause his able to do it
call it pis but it is cannon..

You can try and use the Runner is a immortal so cant be killed, doesn't matter he can easily be ko'ed, and he could be erased from time as the runner has shown he is not immune and is very succeptable to time manipulation, Flash manipulates time (on a level SS has never done, which flash has done on panel) and writes him out of time, by going back and killing him.

Not much in Runner's hand. Flash's time control abilities are far beyond anything Surfer or he have ever displayed.


Id like to see some scans on that, CA allows SS too see the past, present and future, using that on this battle hes already aware of there next move and he could just share it w/ Runner via telepathy.. Not as easy as you might think to beleived..

Please for the love of god stop with the 20 trillion times light thing.Please for the love of god stop with the 20 trillion times light thing.Your wrong.There is no argument here.When the writer blatantly says something that says less than light speed all the math in the world can't help you.

Yes please stop that, if narrator says half a lightyear, its half a lightyear not 20trillions times SofL. You can do all the math you want but if the person who made/write the book says half a light year then thats what it is not what you speculated..

No SS has not in the way Flash has and can, SS has been shown he can only do it under special circumstances and in special places, Flash can and has done it on a level beyond anything SS has ever done, and flash does it effortlessly, SS strugles.

Ahh.... No. SS not only traveled multivers, realities, dimention but also Omniverses.. And not a single narration there says his strugling when doing it..

The only time thing people could muster up for Surfer was one random scan of him falling through time, and it wasn't even clear on if he did it on his own power and under what circumstances. But time control and travel are not considered part of his typical powerset, and he only does so under special circumstances, to my knowledge.

How wrong could you be. And how can you fall through time while giving an explanation to Alicia. Hes done it easy manipulating cronal energy to
travel throug time or he could also used his speed to break throug time or realities kinda like SBP punching through diff. realities..

Re read then if thats what you think I said, because I didn't, Flash takes runner against his will outside of time by warping/manipulating the time around them before runner even knows what happens, not only because flash is trillions of times faster but also because the runner will have no kinitic energy what so ever, and then he just leaves the runner outside of time and or existence forever inanimate via no kinitic energy, bfr is a win on this forum unless other wise stated by op.

Not a valid point because he cant go 20 trillion times..

Originally posted by manorastroman
this...is...retarded. and don't tell me i haven't read enough DC, because i have; i'm well aware of the upper limits of flash and hal.

but f*cking really, the forum rules totally TOTALLY ruin DC characters. they take what should be an interesting fight and reduce it to "well in six out of his six thousand appearances, flash went trillions the speed of light and time travelled to the end of time" as if that is what flash does all the damn time.

same thing with hal. who cares about pre-crisis one off feats? hal's normal level still gets ****ed up by some mutant shark.

without the extremely, extremely annoying "highest two feats only" thing, i'd say surfer and runner 7-8/10.

And he still beat that Mutant shark
What about Surfer getting hit with a brick and falling unconscious?

Actually Flash and Hal are two characters that have hundreds of those feats.

Originally posted by Jesse7
No SS has not in the way Flash has and can, SS has been shown he can only do it under special circumstances and in special places, Flash can and has done it on a level beyond anything SS has ever done, and flash does it effortlessly, SS strugles.
😆 SS has travelled time, Control timed , went outside the fabric of Space/Time .... beyond eternity ...... etc.

if you don't read SS comics you shouldn't comment buddy

Originally posted by Jesse7
Stop being a fanboy and actually take a look at what Flash has done, he could take all of the runners energy from him, as he has done this to much higher beings the herald or elder level, he could then IMP the runner and or SS while moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light which would ko or kill SS and or the Runner, for over kill he uses the speed formula.

It doesn't take a scientist to think about what the power of a exploding white dwarf star moving at twenty trillion times the speed of light, and then condensed and focused into the size of a first, and to further this he uses the speed formula where he is on a plane where all time is stopped, E=MC2 to get a idea of what this means.

You can try and use the Runner is a immortal so cant be killed, doesn't matter he can easily be ko'ed, and he could be erased from time as the runner has shown he is not immune and is very succeptable to time manipulation, Flash manipulates time (on a level SS has never done, which flash has done on panel) and writes him out of time, by going back and killing him.

First of all is this the second time you replied to the same posting? Shound't you say second of all??

This whole thing is junk. The writer specifically states how fast he was going. If you think this was anything other than the writer just not knowing how fast he was implying the Flash was moving you are hopeless. And stop with this E=MC^2 crap. You are out of your league here, and I am not arguing relativity.

I will be as brief as a can be (oversimplified) E=MC^2. The mass=mass of the flash right, C=Speed of light. Therefore Flash's energy is limited to =(his mass)(speed of light)^2 You just proved yourself wrong (even though E=MC^2 is not relative here).

Even forgetting that, do you really think that the Flash could steal all of Surfer's energy (star destroying, blackhole creating energy) MM was being augmented by Surfer and could barely handle the power, and I am sorry, MM has more energy feats than flash by a long shot.

Oh, and Jesse7, if you argue E=MC^2 then you have to realize that Einstein's theory of "Special Relativity" which is E=MC^2 states that no object can travel faster than the speed of light!

You should have argued General Relativity where it is theoretically possible to travel faster than C

Originally posted by kgkg
😆 SS has travelled time, Control timed , went outside the fabric of Space/Time .... beyond eternity ...... etc.

if you don't read SS comics you shouldn't comment buddy

Agreed, SS can travel time without hesitation, his inter dimensional and time travel skills are really good. And I am still tryint to determine why this is relevant anyway. Do you really think that Flash is going to travel back to find Norin when he was a child and kill him or something?

It all boils down to who's gonna take out whom faster to help the other partner. I can see Flash Taking the Runner out more often than not. Especially Since I gave flash his Kingdome come powers in this thread. Come on guys read the OP. Kingdom come flash is a Flash God. The runner won't be taking that Flash down easily. If at all. It's debateable which one can beat the other in Silver Surfer and Hal Jordan. IF hal Cuts loose, Then surfer would have quite a problem on his hands. They can basically do the same things. I say the fight is 5/10.

😆 this thread is gold.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
It all boils down to who's gonna take out whom faster to help the other partner. I can see Flash Taking the Runner out more often than not. Especially Since I gave flash his Kingdome come powers in this thread. Come on guys read the OP. Kingdom come flash is a Flash God. The runner won't be taking that Flash down easily. If at all. It's debateable which one can beat the other in Silver Surfer and Hal Jordan. IF hal Cuts loose, Then surfer would have quite a problem on his hands. They can basically do the same things. I say the fight is 5/10.

I thought you said that he had his kingdom come powers of flight? Isn't that a little different than saying "This is kingdom come flash"

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
I thought you said that he had his kingdom come powers of flight? Isn't that a little different than saying "This is kingdom come flash"

He could only fly in Kingdome come becuz of his accelerated powers.

😆 oooohhhhh shiiiit. If only the edit time isn't limited to 15 minutes.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
He could only fly in Kingdome come becuz of his accelerated powers.

I must admit some limited knowledge of Kingdom come Flash. How does flight make him a God?

The Marvel Team

Originally posted by Stupid Rookie
I must admit some limited knowledge of Kingdom come Flash. How does flight make him a God?

It's just an expression. Kingdome come flash could do things like be in multiple places at one time, exist on multiple plains of reality, and even see ghost.