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Originally posted by Mr Master
That's what the issue implies.After the so called "orphan unviverse" materializes in her hands, Jean NEVER does anything to it.
Except in the end, when she says, Live Scott.
What did she do to it?
Grant Morrison says Jean went to Past and changed Scott's mind about Emma.
If that takes "atomic manipulation" which by the Consciousness's own words "is NOT an EASY Feat"....Phoenix is a JOKE.
What did she do? See what i mean when i take a dig at your interpretation skills? 😉
Did you actually read the scene? 😕
Jean MATERIALIZED the 616 universe into the "hospital"/white hot room, so that it COULD be healed. She then went on to heal the patient by altering the past to grow 616 a new future to replace the one she cut away.
What do you think materialization involves Mr M? She basically relocated the universe and into the core of creation, the "hospital" so it could be healed. Hence the Consciousness comments about telekinetic control of all of those atoms and the scene depicting atoms coming together in the palm of her hand finally forming what we're told is the "BADLY WOUNDED orphan universe"
Originally posted by Mr Master
It sounds better just for her rep, that it took "atomic manipulation" to Repair a dying Timeline.Not to do what Cable and Xavier can pull of together.
The manipulation was the materializing of the universe into the whr for the healing process to be initiated. I hope we're clear on that now?
Also simply altering past events without first getting rid of the future already there would simply create a DIVERGENT future timeline. The HCT future would have still been connected to reality and the threat of Sublime would still have been at large.
That is why the HCT future was AMPUTATED BEFORE Jean went about altering the past.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Exactly, by the time she's walking towards the other Avatars, she has repaired the Timeline/Future.Then, unwittingly, a Universe materializes in her hands.
She Never knew what it was, until she was told.
And Jean was told what it was when she asked, "What is it?"
"a badly wounded orphan universe"
Nope. No healing was done in that scene. The healing was the growing of a new future by altering the past.
All Jean did was materialize the wounded universe into the "hospital" so that it COULD be healed.
She knows what shes materialized in her hands, she just didnt know what it was she has to fix.
"Did i have to fix something?" "What is it?"
She is then answered with "A BADLY WOUNDED orphan UNIVERSE" "Phoenix work"
Conclusively marking out what it is that needs treating. No healing has been done up to this point so your theory falls flat on its face.
Originally posted by Mr Master
WHAT does that mean? Is it in the literal sense? Figuratively speaking?The Consciousness Answers, WHAT THAT MEANS!
"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness..ect."
(This is the outcome of Here Comes Tomorrow)
"the badly wounded orphan universe" was the result of what she Repaired with in the WHR.
(That Future/Timeline with in That Universe)
Nope. She hasnt healed anything up to this point. Show me a statement or a conclusive depiction of her actually healing. There isnt one.
So far shes been told her actions wounded the universe and shes been directed to the WHR "the hospital" to go about healing it.
She materializes the BADLY WOUNDED universe within the WHR and asks what exactly it is she has to fix.
She says what does that mean? Referring to the previous "Phoenix work" comment.
The Consciousness then reiterates the things that LEAD to the HCT future
"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness..ect."
(Wait a minute MrM according to your interpretation those things are the OUTCOME of the HCT future. How can that be when they happened BEFORE the HCT future 😂
People analyse the scenes properly and you will just how much of a shambles his interpretation is. )
After listing these events the Consciousness says "UNLESS" meaning that thats the outcome "unless" and then Quentin under the Forces orders tells Jean that if she wants to grow a NEW future to REPLACE the one she cut away she must basically alter the past, urge Scott to move on.
Originally posted by Mr Master
She simply can't do it.She can't re-write history at will.
She needed the WHR in the end just to change Scott's mind about Emma in the Past.
Remember Quentin told her towards the end right before she says, Live Scott,
"They told me to tell you to HURRY" (Now or Never)
All speculation. Unless its actually stated why she was being hurried, you cant just come to your own conclusions and then try and use that point in debate. Doesnt work like that.
The amputation left the universe wounded, it was dying, that could be why Jean was being hurried, so that she could treat the wound before it was too late. Quentins comments that he'd just let it die could imply that the fate of any single universe is nothing to the Phoenix, its duties extend beyond that.
Also as we see in the last scenes all the other avatars are ascending into the white light, while Jean is there pondering over what to do. It is at this point she is told to hurry so it could be so she wasnt left behind.
Its all down to interpretation my young friend.
