Originally posted by Mr Master
Gibberish.SHOW ME WHERE it says she has to FIX the "badly wounded universe"?
In the white hot room, Jean asks did she have to fix something and she asks what it is she has to fix. She is told "The badly wounded orphan universe" and it is marked out as "Phoenix work"
To any neutral and objective debator that should pretty much make it game over, but i'll play along.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Never does it say, the same events will take place "UNLESS".
(freakin liar)
It does indeed. It lists the events which lead to the HCT future and at then said UNLESS at which point Quentin under the Forces orders tells her to grow a NEW future, to REPLACE the one she cut away she must let go of Cyclops, alter past events basically.
Originally posted by Mr Master
When Jean asked, "But what does that mean?"
("a badly wounded universe"😉It TELLS Phoenix WHAT THAT MEANS,
"That Henry's heart's broken, that Scott succumbs to loneliness", ect..ect..
It's JUST TELLING Jean the OUTCOME of "Here Comes Tomorrow,"
Poor understanding my friend. What do you mean its telling the OUTCOME of HCT? Those things listed were the things which CAUSED HCT, theyre past events which happened before that future so how can they be the result of it?
The Force lists these past events significantly including Scotts loneliness and then has Quentin tell Jean that to grow a better future she must cut her ties with reality, will Cyclops to carry on by altering one of the events it just marked out.
Back to the drawing board MrM.
Originally posted by Mr Master
the FUTURE that is NOW,
The future that is now? What are you talking about? Are you actually listening to what youre saying. Youre contradicting yourself. Why? Because your interpretation is silly.
I take it youre referring to the first scene? Jean asks NOW what? (Whats next?) The Force replies with "This is NOW" (This is the situation now) where it then proceeds to tell her about how her actions have lead to the wounding of the patient.
Originally posted by Mr Master
"IF you want IT to GROW a New FUTURE to replace the one you cut away"Quentin says, "IF YOU WANT IT TO GROW A NEW FUTURE to Replace the one you just cut away"
He NEVER "orders" her, He made a SUGGESTION.
(freakin liar)
Precisely. If you want IT to grow a new future. What exactly do you think that it is? Does Jean not have the universe in her hand? Or are you expecting Jean to grow a new future for the amputated HCT future? lol A little common sense does wonders boy.
A future cant exist in an isolated state, it is part of a timeline, it needs an origin, a past and a present to lead into it. So if the Force is telling Jean to grow a NEW future (by altering the past) to REPLACE the old one she cut away, why on earth would you think shes going to repair that old future? What would be the point? By altering the events which lead to that future anyway as she does go on to do she's discontinuing it. Therefore your argument is conclusively incorrect, very very flawed. Please understand that.
Originally posted by Mr Master
He also says, "And they said I was to tell you to HURRY"Implying she can't do this AT WILL, but with in a TIME LIMIT. (Now or Never)
Could be for a few reasons. She could be being told to hurry because the universe is dying from the wound she inflicted on it and the force is telling her to hurry up and heal this wound (by altering the past) before the universe dies.
Another view is that as we see in that scan the avatars are all travelling en masse somewhere, while Jean is thei pondering on what to do, theyre leaving her behind, so she could be being told to hurry so she can join them.
Its all down to interpretation my friend.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Jean is NEVER told to grow a new future to replace the old one.Quentin says, "If you want it to grow a new future"
The FUTURE was already there, (Here Comes Tomorrow)
Now if she wanted to change that FUTURE, she had to CHANGE Scott's mind about Emma.And here are the WRITERS of the X-Men repeating the same thing I'm saying:
Jean is told to grow a new future to REPLACE THE ONE SHE CUT AWAY. So she is indeed being told to grow a new one to replace the old one as i said earlier. That very line tells you that the amputated future isnt being used anymore. No need for speculation its all there.
The writers say Jean avoided HCT by changing the past. Its a brief summary, doesnt include all the fine details which as i previously said doesnt mean they never happened. We know they did because theyre on panel. By the same token all of your talk about the amputated future itself being repaired isnt mentioned.
Wait a minute, just had a thought. If the HCT future was salvageable, if it was intended for use again, why amputate it? Why not just alter events?
I'll tell you why, because it was infested by a the evolutionary threat Sublime and had to be disposed of for the sake of the main body, hence the word AMPUTATE. With that future out of the way (taken away by the claw) A new future is grown by altering the past.
Originally posted by Mr Master
AND yes, apparently Hean needed the WHR, just to perform this crappy feat.
Jean casually amputated the universes future putting reality on its death bed. Thats very impressive.
In order to heal the wound she dealt reality, Jean (as per the Consciousness earlier orders to "HEAL WOUND" "GROW BETTER FUTURE" )materialized the "BADLY WOUNDED" universe within the "HOSPITAL", a wounded universe she was told she can fix by growing it a NEW future to REPLACE the one she cut away.
(See? It all fits in perfectly, all my points are supported strongly on panel, no stretching or supposition required. That says ALOT.)
By materializing the universe into the hospital for treatment Jean demonstrated the scale of her ability to manipulate matter and energy. She telekinetically controlled all of 616's atoms materializing it to be healed.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Ofcourse, but that never happened,
Ummmm so youre agreeing that Jean altering the past would make the repairal of that future universe pointless? Ummm but Jean did go on to alter the past so i guess that means your whole flawed interpretation is BULL shit
