Shadowcat vs Wolverine

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Wolverine would blitz Storm before she can summon a gust? And Sue before she can erect a shield?
Psylocke is only a telekinetic now...so would he be able to blitz her?
What about Magma...Sway...Petra...Magneto...Polaris...etc...

If he's that quick could he take them out before they had the time to react?

Unlike the characters you mentioned (except Magneto and maybe Polaris if her brain/body work on the same premiss as Magneto) Wolverine has superhuman reaction time, where as those characters aren't even peak human in that aspect. He can react fast then they can that is all there is too it. Now he isn't going to cover a foot ball field before they can take him out or anything but if they were at opposite sides of a boxing ring he would be in melee the second the bell rang walking all over them. With only a couple of meters between them it is conceivable he could blitz them.

Why does everyone assume that Kitty will be extending her entire arm out of the ground and leave it there for Wolverine to slash? 🤨

She can touch the bottom of his foot. The BOTTOM. Through the ground. Without exposing herself IN THE SLIGHTEST. As soon as she touches him, he goes down in the ground and can't do a damn thing to stop it.

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Originally posted by Metalmanx
Why does everyone assume that Kitty will be extending her entire arm out of the ground and leave it there for Wolverine to slash? 🤨

She can touch the bottom of his foot. The BOTTOM. Through the ground. Without exposing herself IN THE SLIGHTEST. As soon as she touches him, he goes down in the ground and can't do a damn thing to stop it.

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Unless Wolverine decides that he is going to stand around in one place how is Kitty going to know where Wolverine is standing if she only risks sticking her arm out of the ground?

he will just get the hell out of the ground using his claws and then he will cut here and kill here

If you're phased into something and released, you die. So he's going to use his powers of intangibility and flight to fly out of the ground and then telekinetically swipe at Shadowcat who's still in the ground.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
psylocke takes him down ..... storm is going down and blitz too they are going down

Originally posted by wolvertooth
sorry i meant sue

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Unlike the characters you mentioned (except Magneto and maybe Polaris if her brain/body work on the same premiss as Magneto) Wolverine has superhuman reaction time, where as those characters aren't even peak human in that aspect. He can react fast then they can that is all there is too it. Now he isn't going to cover a foot ball field before they can take him out or anything but if they were at opposite sides of a boxing ring he would be in melee the second the bell rang walking all over them. With only a couple of meters between them it is conceivable he could blitz them.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Unless Wolverine decides that he is going to stand around in one place how is Kitty going to know where Wolverine is standing if she only risks sticking her arm out of the ground?

Kitty MUST be able to see underground. Otherwise she'd never find her opponent while phased underground.

Originally posted by wolvertooth
he will just get the hell out of the ground using his claws and then he will cut here and kill here

Ooooh. That's why you think Wolverine wins. You think he flies now. Poor child.

There's a little something I like to call fusion of molecules.

Yet his thought process is fast enough to allow him to use super senses to detect air pressure changes and duck with enough speed to save himself and Storm from an optic blast coming from BEHIND him. Another example is when his thought process was fast enough to allow him to sense a hidden laser as it fires from a few feet away, and still have enough time to knock Rogue's feet out from under her so neither gets hit. Wolverineand Sabretooth's speed are both too fast for Psylocke's telepathic thought process in Uncanny # 213.

Firstly I know the issue you're referring to and no the reason why telepaths find it hard to probe Wolveys and Sabertooths minds is because of Weapon X...and their thoughts are based on their animal instincts thing...it has nothing to do with speed..off topic but telepaths can still mind blast them though...and Emma can manipulate his thoughts..
You're just listing his super senses..Wolverine has animal instincts which help him do those things..it does not help him process thoughts at abnormal levels..

His sense detection, processing, and his action are fast enough to react to lazers from a few feet away. That's beyond any human thought processing IMO.

Untrue because the lasers have to be fired first....

I dont have a scanner, so you wont get any pics out of me, but when Psylocke turns into Lady Mandarin in Uncanny and attacks Logan she tries to use her telepathy to anticipate all Logan's moves. She can't keep up with him and he responds,

UXM 250 or 260 ish right? Again Animal instincts nothing to suggest super thought processing..

"What's wrong? Never fought an opponent to who thought and action are one and the same?" And his thought process had to be super fast here because at this time Wolverine was dying from adamantium poisoning and thus his enhanced speed was not available to him.

So he never actually shown this? She did happen to happily go against him in H2H and managed to stab him with her Psi-Knife....so he couldn't Blitz anyone before they had the chance to process a thought....and she couldn't read him because of his Animal nature...all telepaths have a hard time probing him...he doesn't have to be super fast there...because Psylocke though a ninja does not have superhuman reflexes..

Within a 25 foot distance I believe he could if written to his potential, but not from further away than that.

You're saying he's can take them down before they even process a thought? Even from that distance?

This is just like the whole Cyclops forest clearing optic blast. A tactic like that might work (although I can't ever remember her doing something like that. Phasing the Astonishing team from a Sentinel blast had her looking VERY tired.) But this tactic only works in an ARENA fight where no civilians are in Danger. Kitty can only use tactics like this if they fight on the moon, otherwise innocents will be killed and Kitty will not kill an innocent.

She doesn't have to phase large areas just trial and error until she gets him...phasing is her natural state...and she just phased through a nuke...in AXM...
As for the Civilian thing...it's kill or be killed...she would do that if she wanted to survive..

And even if Wolverine does fall through part of the phased arena (which I'd still like to see a scan of) the fall wont do anything to him. He can survive a fall from 85,000 feet and that's after his healing factor is maxed out by 5000 rounds of ammo.

Wants he falls through she lets go of the phase and he gets stuck...

Then this eventually becomes a stealth fight or hide and go seek.

Kind of it becomes an instant win for Kitty or a Hide and Go seek

If she tries to phase him underground (which is the only way she can really hurt him with her phasing power) she will get cut as soon as she touches him. Wolverine's reflexes assure us that will happen. If that happens Kitty will get KOed or turn solid while in the ground and she will die. She also has to be fast enough to grab him, which isn't likely.

Again she doesn't touch him...gravity does all the work for her...then she lets go of the phase and half his body is fused with the ground...

So if you say he can take out Kitty, Storm and Sue before they can react could he do the same to Magento?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Unlike the characters you mentioned (except Magneto and maybe Polaris if her brain/body work on the same premiss as Magneto) Wolverine has superhuman reaction time, where as those characters aren't even peak human in that aspect. He can react fast then they can that is all there is too it. Now he isn't going to cover a foot ball field before they can take him out or anything but if they were at opposite sides of a boxing ring he would be in melee the second the bell rang walking all over them. With only a couple of meters between them it is conceivable he could blitz them.

He has superhuman reflexes not thought processing...there is no way he can blitz a human before they can process a thought...even in a boxing ring...

You're basically saying he can take out all Psionic wielders before they can process a thought...

Meaning they get stabbed...before they even process the enviroment around them

Originally posted by Metalmanx
Kitty MUST be able to see underground. Otherwise she'd never find her opponent while phased underground.

Na she has had the "Oh no! I'm underground which way is up?" Thing happen to her more then once. I don't think she can see underground.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
He has superhuman reflexes not thought processing...there is no way he can blitz a human before they can process a thought...even in a boxing ring...

You're basically saying he can take out all Psionic wielders before they can process a thought...

Meaning they get stabbed...before they even process the enviroment around them

His thought process is superhuman. It was stated in the original MCP Weapon X story that he can actually see bullets and such and then there is Forges' infamous commentary of Wolverine's thought process/fighting skills in his Danger Room training season. His thought process and reaction time are both superhuman.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Na she has had the "Oh no! I'm underground which way is up?" Thing happen to her more then once. I don't think she can see underground.

Well, I think she can. Either that, or she has some sort of radar sense that allows her to know where people are around her. Which one would you prefer?

If she couldn't see her opponent underground, how could she do this? Cuz she certainly didn't pop her head up to take a quick looksy.

if she does that to wolverine he cuts here arms

Originally posted by Metalmanx
If she couldn't see her opponent underground, how could she do this? Cuz she certainly didn't pop her head up to take a quick looksy.

PIS? Was Emma or an other telepath around because she could direct her metally.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
PIS? Was Emma or an other telepath around because she could direct her metally.

...Oh come on, man. You're so much better than this. You're really desperately reaching here for anything to come up with so that Shadowcat can't defeat him with ease.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
His thought process is superhuman. It was stated in the original MCP Weapon X story that he can actually see bullets and such and then there is Forges' infamous commentary of Wolverine's thought process/fighting skills in his Danger Room training season. His thought process and reaction time are both superhuman.

I can accept that...but even then it wouldn't be heightened to the degree where he can actually speedblitz a person....his thought processing couldn't be that great...because Psylocke can go H2H with him...and actually hold her own...

Anyway time for sleep...maybe someone should create A Wolverine Speedblitz Gauntlet...it seems quite interesting...

Could he Speedblitz Aunt May before she says "AHHH"

Originally posted by Metalmanx
...Oh come on, man. You're so much better than this. You're really desperately reaching here for anything to come up with so that Shadowcat can't defeat him with ease.

Wow! Slow down there. I don't think that Wolverine would win this fight, I'm just trying to clear somethings up.

psylocke is much faster then shadowcat ... wolverine is faster then psylocke... wolverine doesnt need to stand on the spot right?? or someone planted some kind of magnet underground?? wolverine goes for the kill right away ... even if she goes underground he moves right away because he knows about her powers.... she reaches to grab him and he cut her arms thats it

Originally posted by wolvertooth
psylocke is much faster then shadowcat ... wolverine is faster then psylocke... wolverine doesnt need to stand on the spot right?? or someone planted some kind of magnet underground?? wolverine goes for the kill right away ... even if she goes underground he moves right away because he knows about her powers.... she reaches to grab him and he cut her arms thats it

I was going to go to sleep but...why do you think Psylocke is faster then Kitty....Psylocke has trained her senses yes...but she's still human...there's nothing super human about her reflexes....her reflexes at best are close to peak human...and Kitty is also a Ninja..

And again before his attack even registers she phases the ground and he falls down and gets fused...

Maybe you should create the gauntlet I suggested above....the Aunt May one..

I should really get to bed now..night..

psylocke in my opinion is faster and got much better skills i never saw shadowcat with as good features as betsy got.... wolverine just needs to jump on her and stab her.... he is much faster then human ... humans cant follow his actions... before she understand whats going on he kills her simple as that man .... he wont just stand on the ground he will attack her right away and he knows about her powers he will do anything to avoid them , so thats just question of speed which wolverine got much over her

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Firstly I know the issue you're referring to and no the reason why telepaths find it hard to probe Wolveys and Sabertooths minds is because of Weapon X...and their thoughts are based on their animal instincts thing...it has nothing to do with speed..off topic but telepaths can still mind blast them though...and Emma can manipulate his thoughts..[B]

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[B]You're just listing his super senses..Wolverine has animal instincts which help him do those things..it does not help him process thoughts at abnormal levels.....

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Untrue because the lasers have to be fired first.......

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
UXM 250 or 260 ish right? Again Animal instincts nothing to suggest super thought processing.....

And for the record the animal instinct telepath defense wasn't around when Uncanny # 257 came out. It hadn't been touched on yet. So you are wrong.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
So he never actually shown this? She did happen to happily go against him in H2H and managed to stab him with her Psi-Knife....so he couldn't Blitz anyone before they had the chance to process a thought....and she couldn't read him because of his Animal nature...all telepaths have a hard time probing him...he doesn't have to be super fast there...because Psylocke though a ninja does not have superhuman reflexes.....

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
You're saying he's can take them down before they even process a thought? Even from that distance?...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
She doesn't have to phase large areas just trial and error until she gets him...phasing is her natural state...and she just phased through a nuke...in AXM...
As for the Civilian thing...it's kill or be killed...she would do that if she wanted to survive.....

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Wants he falls through she lets go of the phase and he gets stuck...

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Kind of it becomes an instant win for Kitty or a Hide and Go seek

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Again she doesn't touch him...gravity does all the work for her...then she lets go of the phase and half his body is fused with the ground...