Originally posted by MJOILNIR
The right to travel the Mississippi and other waterways freely and without tax. The right to trade with whatever country they saw fit(i.e sell agricultural goods) ect. Yes I still respect freedom. Its one of the basic foundations of our country.
hmm... ok.
Do you feel conflicted at all because of the slavery side of the flag?
Originally posted by D-Double
hmm... ok.Do you feel conflicted at all because of the slavery side of the flag?
Originally posted by Alliance
In addition to its racial/conservative connotations...The most importat aspect of the US is the Union. Brandishing a flag that is a symbol of anti-Unity is a terrible crime against the concept of America.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
There was very little to do with slavery and the flag actually and historically. Slavery was an autracity that spread all over the us, not just the south. I see the battle flag as more a symbol of dying mens sacrifice.
... But you don't see the flag as a symbol of holding on to something un-American?
Originally posted by D-Double
... But you don't see the flag as a symbol of holding on to something un-American?
Forget whether the war was about slavery or not. The Confederate Battle Flag represents a country that strongly supported the evil of slavery, as opposed to the North which, during the course of the war, moved away from it.
That gave the North a moral edge. European intervention/arbitration in the war got the final nail in its coffin as soon as the North went anit-slavery because the UK and France would not support the obviously more immoral pro-slavery stance- and certainly not against the anti-slavery country.
That is a moral superiority for the North, the legacy of which lasts to this day.
Forget Union- it is not just the US that looks down on the Confederate Battle Flag these days, so all this talk about being heinous against American unity is not the central issue. It is simply a matter of the South being seen as immoral.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Why do many people always assume the worst when they see the confederate flag. The war was not even over the issue of slavery as most people believe.
Because most people believe it was about Slavery. They see the South as supporter of Slavery while the North is seen as the liberators. Which is to some extent not far from the truth anyways.
Personally, I believe you should be able to take whatever flag you want. Doesn't matter. But people have certain views of certain flags, and I suppose you will have to deal with it if you want to show them.
Because idiots that wave Confederate flags are just that idiots. Even if the war was not about keeping black people as slaves there is a strong connection to racism prevalent in the south connected to that flag. Also last I checked the South was defeated so put your flag away jackass you aren't rebelling against anything by riding around in your lowered F-150 with your flag hanging out the back.
Originally posted by paybacksare
I once went to a country music festival in Richmond, VA. I drank an unhealthy amount of bourbon and took my top off and then used the towel my friend threw at me as a cape. The towel, incidentally, was of the confederate flag.This was not a very memorable night.
This could make for a very interesting short story.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
Forget whether the war was about slavery or not. The Confederate Battle Flag represents a country that strongly supported the evil of slavery, as opposed to the North which, during the course of the war, moved away from it.That gave the North a moral edge. European intervention/arbitration in the war got the final nail in its coffin as soon as the North went anit-slavery because the UK and France would not support the obviously more immoral pro-slavery stance- and certainly not against the anti-slavery country.
That is a moral superiority for the North, the legacy of which lasts to this day.
Forget Union- it is not just the US that looks down on the Confederate Battle Flag these days, so all this talk about being heinous against American unity is not the central issue. It is simply a matter of the South being seen as immoral.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
I sincerely hope you or anyone else sees the South as immoral. Its a shame that the battle flag ignites that sort of emotion in people.
Well, in the end it came down to the South wanting to keep Slavery while the North abolished it. Which can also be seen with the racism problem in predominantly the South in the past.
Originally posted by nerf warrior
Because idiots that wave Confederate flags are just that idiots. Even if the war was not about keeping black people as slaves there is a strong connection to racism prevalent in the south connected to that flag. Also last I checked the South was defeated so put your flag away jackass you aren't rebelling against anything by riding around in your lowered F-150 with your flag hanging out the back.
Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, in the end it came down to the South wanting to keep Slavery while the North abolished it. Which can also be seen with the racism problem in predominantly the South in the past.
Originally posted by nerf warrior
I didn't read the thread nor did i feel like going into detail.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
You might want to befor you go calling people jackasses and idiots. This is the exact thing I was wanting to avoid by making this thread. I was wanting to put to rest some common misconceptions and stereotypes.
Oh in that case.
The rebel flag is a symbol of freedom and a memorium to what the South was.
Many people in South take their history very seriously and the Rebel flag sums it up. It reminds them of the good old days before the federation really used force to enforce the exsitince of our country as opposed to be being loosly guided and was in reality the first step towards the very large federal government we see today.
In fact part me hopes the South would have won and the country would be different today, not so federal. We are the most free nation in the world, but I think we would be even more free had the south won and the states would have been more powerfull.
Sadly the majority of people who wave the flag are those that I described and think freedom has to do with drinking and shooting guns.