Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Though the war did threaten the sanctity of the union I dont really see it as a symbol of anti unity.. Like I said above I see it as honoring a dead soldiers sacrifice. I dont really brandish the flag anyway. Its on fallen family members tombstones. I cant ignore their sacrifice. They made the same sacrifice as the ones who fought in the revolutionary war, war of 1812 and Veitnam ect.
If the flag was used in context during the time of the rebellion, I have no problem with it...its a part of American history (examples on tombstones of confederate soldiers).
However, that flag is the antagonist of Old Glory. Using it in a modern connotation is disgraceful. The south left the Union in an act of military rebellion. They defied the constitution. There was nothing heoric about the South's reasons for rebellion...it was based on misleading propoganda and fearmongering.
I don't think the flag represents sacrifice. Those soldiers should have been serving the US. From this point of view, the confederate soldeirs were traitors. The confederate govenrment was treasonous. The confederate flag represents that. Confederate soldiers might have died fighting for the cause they believed in, but so do terrorists.
Originally posted by botankus
No, but I know how to participate in a debate that makes sense, on topic, and doesn't make me look like some noob from the OTF.Did you fire your gun in the air when you were done with the hooker?
You are so cute. Is this where all the intellectuals hang out? Well here how's this then.
The south started the war to break away from the North becasue of taxation and the fact that the South was more like little city states then the North which was very much more "united".
Slaves had very little to do with it, until Lincoln freed them. The north didn't care either way except now there was influx of disposable troops. Slavery was already illegal up there. It just put a hurt on the South, because all of sudden there free labor isn't free and bodies are going to the North.
All the racism and hate that is tied to the Rebel flag is the of small groups like the KKK or neo-nazis, not to mention the various militia groups that use it as well and not the south as a whole. To look at the Rebel flag today and go that has connotations of racism is accurate but at the same time is close minded.
The Rebel flag is actually as I have said before a symbol of freedom. They took up arms for very similar reasons that we took up arms against the British during the Revolutionary War.
Originally posted by Ushgarak
The South now, no.But the Confederacy, in its support of slavery, WAS immoral, yes. And the CBF represents that.
Sorry, just the way it is.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
No need to say your sorry. Your more than welcome to your opinion. I respect peoples opinions whether I agree with them or not. 😉 I do want to point out that there were a lot more good moral people in the south at the time than immoral.
It's about what the flag stands for.not what people lived under the flag. There probably lived some good people in Nazi Germany as well, but if I fly the Nazi flag that is not what I am saying.
So what are the things you think the Confederate Flag stands for?
Originally posted by Alliance
If the flag was used in context during the time of the rebellion, I have no problem with it...its a part of American history (examples on tombstones of confederate soldiers).However, that flag is the antagonist of Old Glory. Using it in a modern connotation is disgraceful. The south left the Union in an act of military rebellion. They defied the constitution. There was nothing heoric about the South's reasons for rebellion...it was based on misleading propoganda and fearmongering.
I don't think the flag represents sacrifice. Those soldiers should have been serving the US. From this point of view, the confederate soldeirs were traitors. The confederate govenrment was treasonous. The confederate flag represents that. Confederate soldiers might have died fighting for the cause they believed in, but so do terrorists.
Originally posted by Bardock42
It's about what the flag stands for.not what people lived under the flag. There probably lived some good people in Nazi Germany as well, but if I fly the Nazi flag that is not what I am saying.So what are the things you think the Confederate Flag stands for?
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Me?. Sacrifice. History. Many good men died fighting for the south. It was a war of freedoms no different than the revolutionary war. A war that was still fresh in their minds. It was also war about taxation and free trade despite what some think. Though I do not agree with many of their reasons for fighting I will honor the sacrifice they made.
yeah, thats the ticket. i wonder if anyone who flies a confederate flag would have the balls to say why they really do....oh dont mind me...*plays taps for the honored dead on a 20 foot mound of bullshit*
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Theres a big difference in terrorists and southern soilders. Many were pressed into service, drafted. Many had no choice. I guess also in that point of view revolutionary war veternes were traitors as well??? It was not a military rebellion. It was a political one. Myself I cant find any truths in your post at all. Sorry.
I never called souther solders terrorists...so, read my posts.
Revolutionary war soldiers were traitors...from the British perspective. However, since the colonies one...history sided on the side of the colonists...they weren't traitors and more.
Had the Confederacy won, The north would have considered them traitors, but the Southerners would be fine with it.
The confederacy was a poilitical and a military rebellion... The confedarce attacked the Union. Remember Fort Sumter?
I'm not insulting your relatives or whatever, but the colonist had noble causes...intelectual causes...the Confederates had fear, cowardice, and lies.
Using the confederate flag in a modern context is atrocious.
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Me?. Sacrifice. History. Many good men died fighting for the south. It was a war of freedoms no different than the revolutionary war. A war that was still fresh in their minds. It was also war about taxation and free trade despite what some think. Though I do not agree with many of their reasons for fighting I will honor the sacrifice they made.
It was totally different...the SOuth barely fought in the revolutionary war...sacrifice is nothing. There is no "honor" in displaying the confederate flag today....not by a longshot. Don't try to cast this as a simple remeberance of fallen soldiers. You wouldn't fly a CCCP or a NAzi flag to remember the sacrifices those osldiers made for their nations.
Originally posted by Alliance
I never called souther solders terrorists...so, read my posts.Revolutionary war soldiers were traitors...from the British perspective. However, since the colonies one...history sided on the side of the colonists...they weren't traitors and more.
Had the Confederacy won, The north would have considered them traitors, but the Southerners would be fine with it.
The confederacy was a poilitical and a military rebellion... The confedarce attacked the Union. Remember Fort Sumter?
I'm not insulting your relatives or whatever, but the colonist had noble causes...intelectual causes...the Confederates had fear, cowardice, and lies.
Using the confederate flag in a modern context is atrocious.
Originally posted by Alliance
It was totally different...the SOuth barely fought in the revolutionary war...sacrifice is nothing. There is no "honor" in displaying the confederate flag today....not by a longshot. Don't try to cast this as a simple remeberance of fallen soldiers. You wouldn't fly a CCCP or a NAzi flag to remember the sacrifices those osldiers made for their nations.
Originally posted by PVS
yeah, thats the ticket. i wonder if anyone who flies a confederate flag would have the balls to say why they really do....oh dont mind me...*plays taps for the honored dead on a 20 foot mound of bullshit*