Originally posted by nerf warrior
Oh in that case.The rebel flag is a symbol of freedom and a memorium to what the South was.
Many people in South take their history very seriously and the Rebel flag sums it up. It reminds them of the good old days before the federation really used force to enforce the exsitince of our country as opposed to be being loosly guided and was in reality the first step towards the very large federal government we see today.
In fact part me hopes the South would have won and the country would be different today, not so federal. We are the most free nation in the world, but I think we would be even more free had the south won and the states would have been more powerfull.
Sadly the majority of people who wave the flag are those that I described and think freedom has to do with drinking and shooting guns.
Originally posted by Kid Kurdy
Come again ?
I come from the USA. We (as in the USA) are the most free nation in the world. If you come from somewhere else chances are you are not as free I am in what I can and can't do, unless you are talking about homosexuality and marjuanna and those are works in progress.
MJOILNIR
Much better than the first. I appreciate it. I'm trying to discourage those stereotypes. IM sure their are idiots out there that do use it for that but its not right at all its also a disgrace and disrespectful.
Thanks. The problem with the stereotypes is like all stereotypes there is truth in them. Also regarding the Rebel flag it gets a lot of negative press that focuses on the stereotype. So it makes it harder for people to see the truth.
You need to allow the educated to know the truth they already know and let the masses be happy in their ingnorant bliss.
Originally posted by nerf warrior
I come from the USA. We (as in the USA) are the most free nation in the world. If you come from somewhere else chances are you are not as free I am in what I can and can't do, unless you are talking about homosexuality and marjuanna and those are works in progress.MJOILNIR
Thanks. The problem with the stereotypes is like all stereotypes there is truth in them. Also regarding the Rebel flag it gets a lot of negative press that focuses on the stereotype. So it makes it harder for people to see the truth.
You need to allow the educated to know the truth they already know and let the masses be happy in their ingnorant bliss.
No, not even close. Being wiretapped doesn't constitute "freedom".
No, those aren't works in progress. The Netherlands is an example of a "free" nation.
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
No, not even close. Being wiretapped doesn't constitute "freedom".No, those aren't works in progress. The Netherlands is an example of a "free" nation.
Wrong.
The grass is greener on the other side.
If you just want to smoke weed and bang hookers I would agree. If that's how you define freedom by all means move to the Netherlands.
How do you feel about free speech? How about guns?
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
Not all of the south believed in slavery, contrary to popular belief. Also to point out something from earlier I dont fly the flag.
Yes, but the South wanted to keep slavery and the north did eventually abolish it. So that is part of what you are saying when flying the flag (you in a general sense)
Anyways, so what do you think are the ideals you want to portray when flying the flag?
Originally posted by nerf warrior
Wrong.The grass is greener on the other side.
If you just want to smoke weed and bang hookers I would agree. If that's how you define freedom by all means move to the Netherlands.
How do you feel about free speech? How about guns?
Right.
Weed, yes.
Netherlands has minimal government and more laws supporting freedom of ideals than almost any nation
Free Speech is good, and is censored in the US. Guns? What about them?
Originally posted by RocasAtoll
Right.Weed, yes.
Netherlands has minimal government and more laws supporting freedom of ideals than almost any nation
Free Speech is good, and is censored in the US. Guns? What about them?
Free speech is not censored. If you think that you are a fool.
The netherlands has a quite intruisive government actually, just not when it comes to dictating morals.
One day weed will be legal nationally.
As will gay marriage.
I love debates centered around good, solid information derived from global news headlines. You got Tweedledee and Tweedledum arguing over which nation is more "free" based on things about Holland and the U.S. that constitute about 0.0000000001% of what the country and its "freedoms" are truly comprised of. Sheesh.
Originally posted by botankus
I love debates centered around good, solid information derived from global news headlines. You got tweedledee and tweedledum arguing over who is more "free" based on things about Holland and the U.S. that constitute about 0.0000000001% of what the country and it's "freedoms" are comprised of. Sheesh.
Then what should our argument be based on?
Originally posted by MJOILNIR
I sincerely hope you or anyone else sees the South as immoral. Its a shame that the battle flag ignites that sort of emotion in people.
The South now, no.
But the Confederacy, in its support of slavery, WAS immoral, yes. And the CBF represents that.
Sorry, just the way it is.
Originally posted by botankus
I love debates centered around good, solid information derived from global news headlines. You got Tweedledee and Tweedledum arguing over which nation is more "free" based on things about Holland and the U.S. that constitute about 0.0000000001% of what the country and its "freedoms" are truly comprised of. Sheesh.
but...but...i thought true freedom was defined as the legal right to smoke weed and own firearms
I guess...everyone just go back to watching Mississippi Burning a few times before making a post.
If anyone would like to start a Holland vs. USA debate, that is an entirely different topic, but I really don't think anyone is qualified to participate unless they have spent a significant amount of time in both countries.
Originally posted by botankus
I love debates centered around good, solid information derived from global news headlines. You got Tweedledee and Tweedledum arguing over which nation is more "free" based on things about Holland and the U.S. that constitute about 0.0000000001% of what the country and its "freedoms" are truly comprised of. Sheesh.
STFU the major differnces between the two nations can be found in the issues we are discussing.
If it weren't for his comment about free speech I could almost agree, that on a moral level (only) the Netherlands is more free.
I'm sure you know more about the USA and the Netherlands though so please educate me.
Originally posted by botankus
I guess...everyone just go back to watching Mississippi Burning a few times before making a post.If anyone would like to start a Holland vs. USA debate, that is an entirely different topic, but I really don't think anyone is qualified to participate unless they have spent significant time in both country.
i spent a week in holland ...although my memory of it all is a bit fuzzy....can i still join?
Originally posted by nerf warrior
STFU the major differnces between the two nations can be found in the issues we are discussing.If it weren't for his comment about free speech I could almost agree, that on a moral level (only) the Netherlands is more free.
I'm sure you know more about the USA and the Netherlands though so please educate me.
go read a book
Originally posted by nerf warrior
I'm sure you know more about the USA and the Netherlands though so please educate me.
Originally posted by PVS
i spent a week in holland ...although my memory of it all is a bit fuzzy....can i still join?
Did you fire your gun in the air when you were done with the hooker?