Professor Hulk vs Wonder Woman in a fist fight

Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates

Wonder Woman Doesn't blitz much in comics, because the fights would SUCK. And nobody would buy the books. That's PIS.

And whether or not she could hit him a hundred times in a second is irrelevent, because her strength is WAAAAY over his at first, so even if she coud only hit him 10 times in a second, 10 shots from someone who's THAT much stronger, is going to put you down.

Originally posted by Accel
Thor is severely lacking in the speed department compared to WW.

And the Doc Samson punch happened when Hulk didn't see it coming, and when he didn't want to fight.

Originally posted by bigbran
Because Drax gets whipped by all those.
Plus, was it a dumb Drax?

Originally posted by bigbran
Oh I thought you were talking about Glads.

Originally posted by bigbran
Did Norvell like drop the hammer on his hand, and Hulk couldn't pick it up?( I know what your going to say, and, DON"T! I know WW couldn't pick it up either, or wait, ya she could) I'm proably wrong. But anyway, Hulk still stalemated him.

Originally posted by JOE NUNEZ
So which of the two points are you trying to make?

Originally posted by darthgoober
And whether or not she could hit him a hundred times in a second is irrelevent, because her strength is WAAAAY over his at first, so even if she coud only hit him 10 times in a second, 10 shots from someone who's THAT much stronger, is going to put you down.

This is the first board ive seen people claiming WW is so way over the base Hulk that 10 punches at superspeed will be enough.

Id like Darth do make a list of the major feats of strength WW has on her own, that suggest shes that strong compared to the Hulk.

I mean where did common sense went? If base Hulk was THAT low compared to when he was enraged, what would the odds be of Herc or Thor not knocking him out quite the times?

Originally posted by Accel
Whipped? He stalemate Thor and Surfer in the past. And it was the smarter, weaker Drax that held his own against Thanos and destroyed a planet in the process.

Silver Surfer number 98

He could have he just wasn't mad enough.

Originally posted by golem370
Silver Surfer number 98

You asked for the book where Drax beat Champion with one shot thats it.

Originally posted by golem370
You asked for the book where Drax beat Champion with one shot thats it.

Well in the book he was doing well in a fight with Silver Surfer and Nova got worried and went and retrieved Drax and with one shot pulverised Champion into the ground with little effort.

I thought I heard he beat everybody on earth including Hulk but She Hulk had her strength amplifed and I also thought Silver Surfer actually tricked Champion which was his first loss in 5.5billion years

Originally posted by Jonathanos
That he doesn't speedblitz from the word go, either. Even when he's getting his teeth kicked down his throat after a long series of battles.

He DOES speedblitz from the get-go if he recognizes the threat for what it is. Like the Hulk...

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Strawman.

"Strawman" That's the best name you can call me? God you must have made an ass out of yourself in high school.

What did you call your bullies? Big Arms?

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Originally posted by Jonathanos
The rule as in the norm, not as in a forum rule. Learn context.

Funny, you speak of learning when you can't seem to learn the damn forum rules or what they actually mean even if they're repeated to you again and again and again.

That shows some severe deficency in learning.

The rule is as in the forum rules. THINK. THINK! If it were against the rules, the thread and about 90% of the other threads would be deleted by the moderator? Where's the moderator deleting the threads?

Oh I know? We must be following the goddamned rules you can't understand like they're in a weird mix of Yiddish and Tagalog...

Originally posted by Jonathanos
I don't think she'll quite get the majority, no.

We already know that. According to you, she'll fight with her superspeed, and superreflexes, and martial art skill. Yeah, way to argue your point...

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Originally posted by Jonathanos
Sorry, not everyone can deal out pearls like "Most of Wonder Woman's appearances are out of character. What I say, which is contrary to how she behaves in the comics, is what is in-character."

Did I say that? Are schizophrenic? Is some voice telling you to touch little boys and at the same time misread what Draco69 is typing much less imagine something else?

Again. You just don't get it. I specifically said, read CAREFULLY, that WW, Superman's, Flash's and any other DC superspeedster doesn't blitz their opponent to unconciousnesss or manages to get hit by an opponent or object they shouldn't due to PIS. Plot Induced Stupidity. For the plot (and the sake of their profit) is the reason Diana or any other DC speedster doesn't blitz their opponent to a bloody pulp. A comic has to last 32 pages after all...

Originally posted by Jonathanos
I missed the point where I said he wasn't strong enough to do what he did. Point it out?

Probably the same statement where dancing on the crona of the Sun apparently isn't being sundipped....

Originally posted by Jonathanos
I don't think he was intended to be boosted as much as you want to believe. I wouldn't have a problem with Superman doing that normally.

Do you read DC at all. Of course you don't. It's the only logical explanation...

Superman was getting RAW, UNFILTERED sunlight from the Sun which was directly below their damn feet. He and Diana were in the "atmosphere" of the sun. When he's on Earth, the sunlight is filtered and dampened by the ozone layer and the electromagnetic field. In space, not a problem. Whether he was 100 feet from the sun or 200 it doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that Superman's batteries were supercharging themselves with raw, unfiltered sunlight from the Sun which was literally in front/below them.

He wasn't as boosted as Superman going to the core of the Sun like he did in Imperiux but his strength level was already off the charts.....

Originally posted by Jonathanos
To the best of his ability, but within his character. I'm not going to use a low- or high-end showing for Flash. I'll use what is within his abilities and how he uses them.

You STILL don't get it.

God! Now I know what that miracle-worker teaching that blind-deaf girl felt like.

Wa! : Within his character means within his ability to use his powers effectively as based on his intelligence, skill, and tactical prowess.

Wa! : Any showings of Flash NOT blitzing an opponent or getting hit by a boomerang is NOT CIS. It's PIS. For the plot, he doesn't blitz the opponent or doesn't dodge anything less than a laser beam.

Tron and Paula already made this example. You think they're wrong too?

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Originally posted by Jonathanos
If there's nothing in her character that says she wouldn't use her speed in the manner you say, you'll have no trouble showing her doing exactly what you claim.

I did. Several times. You nitpicked out of your head using half-assed counterarguments like "sure she speedblitzed him...but she only hit him ONCE so she can't hit him TWICE or more in a speedblitz because on panel she only hit him once...."

or

" Sure she speedblitzed the guy....but there's no number of how fast she was going. So I'm going to assume that she was moving slower than Spider-Man. Makes sense..."

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Well let's use some reasoning that's not nitpicking seasoning. If she can speedblitz a guy and hit him once in one feat going at Mach 3 or faster than Martian can react and she speedblitzed a guy hitting him multiple times leaving afterimages, would it not be safe to say she can hit the Hulk multiple times faster than he can react at Mach 3 or above....?

Originally posted by Jonathanos
A sustained energy beam, like Iron Man's repulsors. Hulk has grabbed hold of energy as if it was a physical object. HULK #242. I'm not interested in silliness like that as a serious response.

God that stupid writing. How the hell do "grab" energy and use it like a club?

Let's use this. Hulk, in character, is shown to grab hold a laser beam why would you consider it silly? It was shown on panel. It's in his character. And yet you say it's a non-feat....

Originally posted by Jonathanos
I'm not the one getting all upset. Nor am I the one who confuses fanboy tactics with in character behavior.

I'm not getting upset. I'm getting a little scared that our country's education system could produce someone so dense like Jonathanos where time-honored practice of repetition, repetition, reptetion just isn't working....

You're the one who confuses PIS with CIS, character with PIS, and you don't seem to understand the definitions of any of the above in order to properly grasp the forum rules....

Originally posted by Jonathanos
If it's in her tactics, show her DOING it.

I did. You ignored it. You nitpicked. It went in one ear, completely missed the miniscule brain and out the other ear much like any spatial reasoning you were taught. Or rather attempted to teach.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Character Induced.

Her character is not one that batters someone a hundred times a second.

Wrong, wrong, wrong.

What in her personality, behavior, intellect, skill or ANYTHING would you say prevents her from using her superspeed and superreflexes?

Nothing. She's an Amazon who cuts off people's heads and sometimes like to break their necks. In combat, she's ruthless, she's cold and she doesn't hold back if her opponent provokes her.

Again, you don't get the meaning of CIS even though I posted the friggin definition, word per word in detailed outline WITH examples.

That's pretty damn dense....

Originally posted by Jonathanos
You think that's a stupid way to fight? It's character induced.

I feel like a sixth-grade teacher grading a calculus exam from Fat Albert.

WRONG. It's not character induced. There's nothing in her character by ALL definitions that would prevent her from using superspeed.

It's PLOT-induced. PLOT. Again. PLOT. Once More. PLOT. Once more as penchant to Jebus for a miracle. PLOT.

It's PLOT-induced that WW, Superman, Flash or any other DC speedster doesn't use his/her speedster to end the battle in couple of seconds.

If you think it's within Flash's character to purposefully get hit by a boomerang even though it's moving at the pace of molasses in the freezer to him, you're seriously, seriously mistaken....

Originally posted by Jonathanos
That's just sad. You clearly don't understand what character is.

Dude, talking to yourself isn't helping things. You have enough problems as it is. Let's just focus on one thing. I'm not a psychologist. Talk to somebody else about that.

But here's some advice. Listen to that little voice who told you to type that....

Originally posted by Jonathanos
So Ross is alive not because of PIS but because of CIS, if you really think it's stupid for the Hulk to have morals.

Again, you don't understand PIS or CIS even though I laid out the damn definitions for you. With examples. Gah!

The reason Ross is still alive is because he's the VILLAIN. Jesus! He's alive because of the plot. Not because the Hulk and his many personalities has a soft spot for a despot intent on killing him.

Ross should have died years ago. But since he's the main villain, and the core plot of Hulk requires it, he won't and something will always get in Hulk's way if he dares to try.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Yeah, and Hulk's overtaken ICBMs with leaps, but I would suggest that Hulk's going to leap in excess of the speed of sound at an opponent. Because he simply doesn't do it.

Professor Hulk certainly has the intellect, skill and tactical prowess to do so. Too bad that's still slower than WW....

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Must be why she doesn't ever get hit by non-speedsters. EVER.

Because of PIS. Not CIS like you believe in your own screwed up little world.

What due to CIS Diana intentionally gets hit by non-speedsters? Because of her "character?" :

"Great Hera! That ninja is about to attack me. Even though he's much slower than I am and my reflexes can deflect point-blank lightspeed laser attacks, he'll still hit me. Because some jackass on the Internet said it's within my "character" to get intentionally. Gaea, what dumb f*ck...."

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Originally posted by Jonathanos
I'm still cracking up over your assertion that the way she behaves in continuity is out of character.

I'm still on hold contacting Child Services to take you away from your parents who are clearly depriving you of any sort of intellectual stimulia.

It's not out of character. It's plot-induced. Why can you not grasp that???

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Yes, I want numbers. You made the claim. Support it. I've seen Spider-Man do that with his relatively minor superspeed. I've seen multiple images from Daredevil.

Nitpicking, nitpicking, nitpicking. A character with superspeed punches a guy leaving multiple images and you conclude that she was moving about as fast as Daredevil?!

God. What kind of logic would...

Originally posted by Jonathanos
I'm granting that she's fast. I'm not granting that she was hitting the guy a hundred times per second.

That's fine. Just grant that she has superspeed and she can hit the Hulk dozens of times in a short amount of time in comparision to the Hulk.

Meaning Diana will get ALOT more hits in...

You grant she's fast but you don't grant she can hit fast...oh god...

Damnit Draco stop making your posts so long! 😠

They're hard to read 🙁

Originally posted by darthgoober
Plot Induced Stupidity, or PIS, is when characters don't use their abilities or skills to the fullest extent as shown before, even within their personality ranges, for the sake of the story plotline. It makes lesser powered characters an actual challenge against higher powered characters in the comics. Examples of PIS include Flash stories lasting longer than three panels, or Toy Man as a threat to Superman.

Character Induced Stupidity, or CIS, on the other hand, refers to any natural mental limitations that characters impose upon themselves and reduce their ability to use their own skills and powers effectively. Unlike PIS, CIS does not occur because the plot requires it, but because the character is genuinely that dumb. Examples of the CIS-afflicted include characters such as Rhino or Jar Jar Binks. Events of CIS are not exempt from debates

Wonder Woman Doesn't blitz much in comics, because the fights would SUCK. And nobody would buy the books. That's PIS.

And whether or not she could hit him a hundred times in a second is irrelevent, because her strength is WAAAAY over his at first, so even if she coud only hit him 10 times in a second, 10 shots from someone who's THAT much stronger, is going to put you down.

Thank You. Jonathanos. Please read this CAREFULLY.

"NATURAL MENTAL LIMITATIONS" What in hell mental limitations would an head-chopping Amazon in a all-out fight?

NONE!

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Originally posted by Grimm22
Damnit Draco stop making your posts so long! 😠

They're hard to read 🙁

Key Words Only Then:

WW wins via speedblitz.

Jonathanos can't read the forum rules correctly...

Originally posted by bigbran
Oh, ok.
But hasn't Champ lost to everyone 'cept Thing?

Apparently, Marvel felt that making Ben "weak" and having him be jobbered constantly wasnt enough 😐

They had to take Ben's greatest showing and say it was crap 🤨

Originally posted by Draco69
Key Words Only Then:

WW wins via speedblitz.

Jonathanos can't read the forum rules correctly...

This thread should only have been 1 page 😐

If even that