Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
This is KMC buddy. We don't go for that comic book PIS crap 🙂. WW's strength and skill put on her on another lvl than professor Hulk. He might as well be fighting Batman with Superman's strength. He's gonna loose. One good judo chop with Planet moving fist, and it's over.
If we use that defination, almost every writer in the industry must be full of PIS because they dont write comic battles like you want to. That defination should be used as bad writting category, but is it so in this case?
Lets see it, then:
Who did Professor Hulk constantly fougth, that was a high brick and either: a) didnt lose. b) he lost one and won another.
- Immortal Hercules? Check.
- Thor? Check.
- Classic Juggernaut? check.
- Red Norvell? Check. (for those who dont know, RN was another who stopped a swing of Mjolnir from Thor as well iirc).
How many of these is WW superior of, in the strength department?
Other points:
- Batman is regulary more skilled than WW. DC/Marvel comics usually go with the streeth level guys like Cap constantly showing better skill. You can call it a slant to the high skilled guys, i dont like it either. But in these two specific comicbook universes, its how it is.
- Altho she is in the same ballpark of SM, read this. So is Hulk. Including this incarnation.
Those "shes way stronger" are off basis, unless you want to claim shes stronger than those listed here whom he fougth.
Originally posted by olympian
If we use that defination, almost every writer in the industry must be full of PIS because they dont write comic battles like you want to. That defination should be used as bad writting category, but is it so in this case?Lets see it, then:
Who did Professor Hulk constantly fougth, that was a high brick and either: a) didnt lose. b) he lost one and won another.
- Immortal Hercules? Check.
- Thor? Check.
- Classic Juggernaut? check.
- Red Norvell? Check. (for those who dont know, RN was another who stopped a swing of Mjolnir from Thor as well iirc).
How many of these is WW superior of, in the strength department?
Other points:
- Batman is regulary more skilled than WW. DC/Marvel comics usually go with the streeth level guys like Cap constantly showing better skill. You can call it a slant to the high skilled guys, i dont like it either. But in these two specific comicbook universes, its how it is.
- Altho she is in the same ballpark of SM, read this. So is Hulk. Including this incarnation.
Those "shes way stronger" are off basis, unless you want to claim shes stronger than those listed here whom he fougth.
All of her strength Feats put her at or above every one you've listed. Wether or not people choose to accept that is up to them. She's displayed as much strength as the hulk if not more. The biggest thing I've seen the hulk lift is a mountain. She's lifted much bigger. She is also as skilled as Batman is in Hand to hand. And if you think the Hulk can dish out punishment like Superman Can, then your mistaken. Not only does Superman Hit harder, he hits faster. SO Superman would rain down many blows, that WW has been able to take and keep up with. The hulk can't possibly keep up the onslaught of punishment it would take to put WW down. He's not fast enough, not skilled enough, and his base strength isn't high enough.
Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
All of her strength Feats put her at or above every one you've listed. Wether or not people choose to accept that is up to them. She's displayed as much strength as the hulk if not more. The biggest thing I've seen the hulk lift is a mountain. She's lifted much bigger. She is also as skilled as Batman is in Hand to hand. And if you think the Hulk can dish out punishment like Superman Can, then your mistaken. Not only does Superman Hit harder, he hits faster. SO Superman would rain down many blows, that WW has been able to take and keep up with. The hulk can't possibly keep up the onslaught of punishment it would take to put WW down. He's not fast enough, not skilled enough, and his base strength isn't high enough.
1- Wich strength feats put her above the ones listed?
2- What weight did she lifted on her own that makes her stronger than those?
2- Examples showing her being the equal to Batman purely in hand to hand?
3- You can say it all you want. Comics= slower people with fast enough reflexes not only can, but have tagged speedesters. Fact.
3- Yes, i surely can see Hulk being able to dish as much punishment, strengthwise as Superman. Writers seem to think so too, since all theyr encounters save the fan vote one, showed them going back and forth. Surely you can get the WHY.
4- How long you think Hulk takes to raise his base strength level, by any chance? Heres a tip. You just need to see his matches with Thor and the like.
Originally posted by olympianPIS has no regard for multiplicity, when a character's abilities are lowered to make characters appear equal it is PIS. This happening multiple times, still PIS. PIS is always PIS.
How its PIS an ability that has been showed more than once?If characters figth to the best of theyr abilities, and Hulk has showed that he can sometimes tag a speedester wouldnt that be, oh say, something he can use?
Or we use PIS for everything we dont like?
If current Northstar who can move at or near lightspeed is tagged by Captain America once. It's PIS. If he's tagged by Captain America twice. It's still PIS. Ten times. On the forums, still PIS.
Originally posted by olympian
1- Wich strength feats put her above the ones listed?2- What weight did she lifted on her own that makes her stronger than those?
2- Examples showing her being the equal to Batman purely in hand to hand?
3- You can say it all you want. Comics= slower people with fast enough reflexes not only can, but have tagged speedesters. Fact.
3- Yes, i surely can see Hulk being able to dish as much punishment, strengthwise as Superman. Writers seem to think so too, since all theyr encounters save the fan vote one, showed them going back and forth. Surely you can get the WHY.
4- How long you think Hulk takes to raise his base strength level, by any chance? Heres a tip. You just need to see his matches with Thor and the like.
I"m using logic for this fight. First off, In the Titans/Jla, WW is shown EASILY holding a meteor the Size of an Island. That is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy bigger and heavier than a mountain. SHe's doing this on her own. As far as WW being equal to Batman in hand to hand, It doesn't take a genious to see that an island full of warrior women, who all possess superior hand to hand skills, who were able to stand up to the superior forces of apocolypse, and she is by far the the best of the amazons. And yes the Hulk can tag a speedsster. But Realistly, how many times do you think he would need to tag someone on WW's lvl to get a victory? And with her vastly superior speed, her godly reflexes, her vastly superior skill, her very very high endurance and stamina factor, her very high blunt truama invulnerability, and her meteor lifting, earth moving strength, you think it's possible for the Hulk to get a majority of wins? It just isn't so. When I do the math of what she's got going for her, and what he's got, it dont' add up at all.
The Hulk breaks through X-Man's psi-shields
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Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
I"m using logic for this fight. First off, In the Titans/Jla, WW is shown EASILY holding a meteor the Size of an Island. That is WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAy bigger and heavier than a mountain. SHe's doing this on her own. As far as WW being equal to Batman in hand to hand, It doesn't take a genious to see that an island full of warrior women, who all possess superior hand to hand skills, who were able to stand up to the superior forces of apocolypse, and she is by far the the best of the amazons. And yes the Hulk can tag a speedsster. But Realistly, how many times do you think he would need to tag someone on WW's lvl to get a victory? And with her vastly superior speed, her godly reflexes, her vastly superior skill, her very very high endurance and stamina factor, her very high blunt truama invulnerability, and her meteor lifting, earth moving strength, you think it's possible for the Hulk to get a majority of wins? It just isn't so. When I do the math of what she's got going for her, and what he's got, it dont' add up at all.
1- A meteor feat that MM reproduced 2 panels after. You call him stronger than Hulk also?
Plus, i dont know if you know, but DC Hercules has held the Paradise Island for centuries and Marvel Hercules dragged Manhattan with its entire population as well. They are all island lvl feats. Hulk has moved/dragged an island on its own as well. So far theres no weighting feat ABOVE these gents, here.
2- And just because its an island full of amazons, with skilled warriors it means they are better purely hand to hand? Your going here with the reputation instead actual feats. I asked an example. Or the same way can be said that just because Hercules is way older than Batman and its also skilled it automatically means hes MORE skilled than Batman. And comicbookwise it isent true. Cap/Bats > WW/Herc regulary. Mythwise its another story.
3- What earth moving strength examples of Diana, are you refering to? The ones where she had help? If your refering to earth moving feats, Hulk its all over her. Clapping cosmos, and destroying Earth sized asteroids do that.
4- Hulk has higher stamina and durability.
5- And finally how many times he can tag her to get a win? As many she will speedblitz him ala Flash to get wins. Because the times they have both done it are low in quantity.
