Professor Hulk vs Wonder Woman in a fist fight

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
When did WW "whip" Cronos? IIRC, he owned her as easily as he beat everyone else. Then she tapped into the Godwave and it stopped him. Or something like that.

Given that I beleive DC Cronos is a level above Darkseid in power (yes, this is coming from ME) based on his Ares and Zeus fights, I have trouble beleiving WW beat him straight up.

DC Cronos was a BEAST. He was a threat to Heaven and the Presence himself. He casually killed angels. And he owned the Greek and Hindu Pantheon. I wonder what would have happened if he crossed Michael or Lucifer....

WW didn't beat him straight up. She disarmed him from his scythe and punched him into a wall. And he ran away to get the Full Godwave in a room where the Presence hid it.

As for him being weaker or stronger than Darkseid, that's debatable since Darkseid's made a living of killing pantheons. We don't know how many he killed and how much of the Godwave he absorbed from them. But Odin was scared out of his mind of him though...

Do you have scans of this encounter? I haven't read the arc in over a year, but I'm pretty sure he effortlessly beat WW at one point early in the arc, after owning Zeus and Ares.

Originally posted by Jimmy-Chan
Do you have scans of this encounter? I haven't read the arc in over a year, but I'm pretty sure he effortlessly beat WW at one point early in the arc, after owning Zeus and Ares.

Oh he did. He bitchslapped WW and then owned Zeus and his entire pantheon. They all got turned to stone and lost their godhood becoming mortal.

Cronos mindf**ked Zeus into thinking he was a homeless old man on the streets.

Diana survived but was powerless since her gods were powerless to. She managed to find Zeus, slap him back to his senses and restore the gods to life though still lacking their powers and immortality.

Meanwhile Cronos owned the Hindu Pantheon and Rama, the champion of the Hindu Pantheon is the only one who escaped alive.

Together, the two pantheons went to Heaven with Zauriel and proceeded to battle Cronos and his brood. They were getting owned until Diana suckerpunched Cronos and managed to snatch away the scythe. She broke it thus releasing the stored Godwave energy of the the two pantheons and restoring them to godhood. Realizing that the tide had changed, Cronos ran to the "room" containing the Full Godwave but he couldn't handle it all and Gaea denied it from him.

OK, thanks. I may look this up soon. I'm not really a WW fan, but I like the Greek Gods and Wonder Girl.

That sounds cool, but not exactly useful for a straight up fight (other than maybe the sucker-punch) I mean, people don't bring The Fantastic Four's fights with Galactus into a no prep melee. 🙂

Originally posted by Draco69
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Killing him isn't necessary. KOing him is. And Hercules and Namor have....

And I have NO idea where you got the idea that she gave up her immortality for a man.

Jesus....

She's immortal. She'll live forever and ever unless A) she dies in combat (in which she'll just ascend to the Goddess of Truth) and B) she doesn't visit Paradise Island once in a while to renew her immortality.

She never gave up her immortality for a man. Hell, she hasn't had a steady boyfriend or date for the last three decades....

Maybe that will change now.

Originally posted by Draco69
Waitaminute. You believe that Hercules can beat the Hulk in a slugfest and you've testifyed numerous times that Namor has beaten the Hulk in a slugfest.

But WW can't?

Let's say Hercules fights the Hulk in a slugfest. Would he lose? You believe that Hercules is the strongest character in comics (99% of us in KMC disagree but we'll let that slide...). That's fine. But Hulk would eventually reach his level of strength, right? And Hulk will eventually grow stronger than him, right? And Hulk can withstand anything Hercules dishes out and his healing factor will take care of everything, right?

So despite the fact that WW may be weaker, stronger or equal to Hercules in strength she has alot more going for her. Like superspeed and superreflexes. And her vambraces that can form an impenetrable forcefield to block the unlikely blow that Hulk will land.

Oh, by the way. I believe that Hercules could win if he used his skills and god-like reflexes. At least one of us is giving the characters credit...

Your probably confusing me with Beta. You wont find quotes of me saying that i think Hercules is the strongest character ever in comics, thats dumb. Especially when we have characters like Thanos, Kurse, Despero and the like, and i sure DONT give Herc good odds against those.

Hercules CAN win a slugfest against Hulk. WW CAn win a slugfest against Hulk. The main issue is will they take the majority of them? No. Its not like the Hulk its going to win 10 out of 10 against either and im surely not saying he will, here.

And for the record your last line its exactly what i said on a post above. If these two use theyr vastly superior skill, together with theyr strength then i see them edging Hulk.

If its just fist by fist play (wich is what the tread is -asking-) aka a slugfest, aka a -pure bar brawl-, then it goes from being inconclusive (stalemates or whatnot, but nothing decisive) to an edge of Hulk.

I hope my stance is clear.

Originally posted by Draco69
Her greatest feat of strength was lifting the Spectre with Superman. The weight of Spectre is equivalent to the mass of the entire DCU. That's far more than one measly planet. Superman and Wonder Woman could only lift him for several seconds at most. Let's say even if Superman did 99% of the muscle work, the 1% that Diana lifted on her own surpasses Hulk's smashing of an asteroid....

The weight of the Spectre was never stated or shown. Saying its the equivelent of the entire mass of the DCU doesnt seem rigth to me. All it was said was that it was "heavy".

I say it would be a hell of a fight possibly Professor Hulk toughest but I still believe he wins the majority of the fights. Professor Hulk is high Level class 100 has great durability stamina and is a great fighter. Also there is absoulty now way Wonder Woman is stronger then Hercules imo

Originally posted by Draco69
Captain Marvel is debatable since they nearly the same physical powers. WW and CM both have the speed of Mercury (Hermes) and they both have strength equal or above Hercules.

Superman is a given.

Wonder Woman is not in Wonder Man's class. She's above him in strength, speed and some points durability. Not to mention all her other abilities and weapons put her above Simon.

The specifics of who is stronger doesn't matter. I see her as a step down from Superman in strength. Captain Marvel is repeatedly shown and said to be Superman's equal.

Originally posted by Draco69
Her greatest feat of strength was lifting the Spectre with Superman. The weight of Spectre is equivalent to the mass of the entire DCU. That's far more than one measly planet. Superman and Wonder Woman could only lift him for several seconds at most. Let's say even if Superman did 99% of the muscle work, the 1% that Diana lifted on her own surpasses Hulk's smashing of an asteroid....

Her second greatest feat of strength was in Heaven's Ladder. She lifted a spier that connected several planets together. It made the planets themselves look like marbles.

Spectre was not said to have the mass of the universe.

If you really want to start comparing ridiculous high-end, Hulk withstood and then with a single clap deflected a cosmos-destroying attack. Night-Crawler's universe was destroyed as a result.

Originally posted by Draco69
And you're completely ignoring my point and missing the complete obvious. Wonder Woman is slightly weaker than Superman in strength, however despite her being nearly on Shiva's level in skill, she fights as if though she still has a yellow belt against Superman.

Why? Editorial. No way in hell would they allow the greatest superhero alive get his butt kicked by Wonder Woman...or Martian Manhunter...or Flash or even Green Lantern. But Batman is a-okay because he's another flagship character....

Utilizing forum rules, WW's skill comes into play whether you like or not. We ignore PIS/CIS feats and we logically conclude what character could defeat another character utilizing high-end feats and their abilities.

Batman always outskills Superman even though he's just human and he moves at the pace Stephen Hawking without a wheelchair to Superman.

By your logic, his feats defeating Superman are perfectly acceptable because they happened on panel in comics and he regularly displays his ability to beat Superman.

In KMC Forums, under the rules, Superman flicks Batman into space....

The rules specifically say that character is considered. Superman would not ever flick Batman into space. He'll fight him as he's shown to fight him in the comics.

If you're debating power set only, I've no interest in participating.

Originally posted by Draco69
Under forum rules, that building will fall apart unless it's Superman because his aura telekinesis somehow keeps it together.

In the real world, a human with a grappeling hook would never be able to beat a demi-god who can fly.

In comics, this is not the case.

You consider Batman winning against Superman several times valid because it happens in comics...?

By that logic, Batman should have no problem beating the Hulk. After all if he can beat Superman....

With the proper prep-time, sure. Batman could conceivably pull the win against Hulk.

Of course, Hulk could just as conceivably clap and call it a day.

Originally posted by Draco69
And your point is completely invalid. Skill doesn't mean much in comics? Please. How many times has a street-level character owned a high-tier character by judoflipping them into the ground? You're negating WW's skill because she's not a street-level character?

So it seems that street levels use their skill more effectively than Wonder Woman, doesn't it?

Originally posted by Draco69
And you obviously haven't the slightest clue about WW's character....

Really? I say Wonder Woman won't punch someone a hundred times in a second. You say she will.

Since it's in character, you should have no problem getting an example of her doing it.

Originally posted by Draco69
Ever wonder who Xena the Warrior Princess was based on? I'll give you clue. Look at my sig.

I don't care who Xena is based on. Hyperion's based on Superman but it's absolutely stupid to use Superman references for Hyperion. They aren't the same character.

Originally posted by Draco69
Diana is not Superman. Superman's character disallows him from using his speed against opponents regularly or at all because he's afraid of seriously hurting his opponent and because he considers it unfair.

However Diana isn't a pussy like Superman. She's a born and bred Amazon warrior who's been trained to kill ruthlessly since the day she could walk.

What in Diana's character would possibly disallow her from using her superspeed? Nothing. If she sees a relatively equal opponent she'll use everything she has and use everything she's learned ruthlessly.

Your method of arguing this debate is inplausible: "Let's completely ignore and take away Wonder Woman's superspeed and skill because we haven't seen it that often in comics."

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You're telling me I don't understand the character of Wonder Woman while saying we should ignore how she is shown to act in the comics? 😂

And stop strawmanning.

Originally posted by Draco69
It IS in Superman's personality (was the last Superman comic you've read from 1967...?) to use his superspeed against an oppoenent he knows can take it or needs to use it against....like the Hulk.

Which means Superman blitzes the bastard to a bloody pulp in seconds....

Like he did in the first fight with Doomsday? Oh, right. He didn't. Instead he fought Doomsday at a rate of speed that Lois and Jimmy were able to follow, photograph, and call play-by-play.

I've seen Superman fight superfast foes at superspeed. I've seen him use his speed to take out the Elite.

But that is not the rule for him.

Originally posted by Draco69
And it would make far more sense to Superman to end a battle quickly since both of them would cause tramatic damage to the area around them.

Again, a point you just simply don't get, characters will fight to the BEST of their abilities. That means superspeed.

God, it's pathetic for people to disallow superspeed from DC characters just because they don't blitz everyone they see in the comics...

Answer another question for me: Wonder Woman is in Superman's league of strength. Yet you state that Superman would take the majority over Hulk...even though you state he won't use his superspeed because it's against his character....

That makes no ****ing sense. By your right, Superman and Hulk are in the same league of strength and you seem to imply that Hulk is stronger but Superman would win the majority with superspeed. What?!

Yeah, that's hypocrisy for ya.

Actually, it's the inability to read for ya. Since I didn't attribute the majority to simply using speed. Superman's also tough enough to take a few through strength.

Originally posted by Draco69
You mean like using her superspeed and Amazonian skill? Oh wait, by vicious you mean fighting at the speed of a grandmother, right....

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Got your match ready for that strawman?

Originally posted by Draco69
Did you miss the double-spread page of them likened to pigs roasting over a campfire....

Possibly. Feel free to post it.

Originally posted by Draco69
In space. Where the Earth's electromagnetic field and ozone layer doesn't filter sunlight which clearly isn't the case in space...especially when there's so many other stars in space.....

Obviously his body is going to be exposed to greater levels but it isn't the same as super-charging by going into the sun.

Originally posted by Draco69
Flash is fighting at his very best. That means knocking the poor SOB out he faces in under picosecond.

You have this warped logic of Flash fighting at his very best under his character as fighting at a speed where he can be tagged by anyone under the speed of sound and he won't go faster than sound because his "character" won't allow it.

You don't understand the meaning of "character". Character means that the character acts within his mental faculties. Tron and Paula specifically meant the character will go all out...but he/she will fight in the range of his/her intelligence and skill.

That means, Iceman will not convert the upper atmosphere into hydrogen atoms even though his powers will allow him to simply because he's not that smart. This also means that Storm will not create a snowstorm with acid rain. It's within her powers to do so but she's not skilled enough with her powers to do so.

There's NOTHING not in WW's character whether it be intelligence, skill or for that matter moral reason for her NOT to use superspeed and her fighting skills. She's not that stupid. She's not a amateur and she's certainly doesn't prescribe to holding back because it's not fair....

I know what character is. If you think Flash is likely to do what you say, you clearly don't.

Character means the way a person thinks and behaves. It's not just about how intelligent they are.

If that's how the board operates, debating power sets rather than character, then my stay will be short. Because I really don't want to hear silliness like "Hulk grabs the energy beam and breaks it" or "Wonder Woman does something she's never ever done and hits a guy five hundred million times before he blinks" as a serious response.

Originally posted by Draco69
DUH!

That's why Captain America can beat Thor's ass when he doesn't have his hammer...

In KMC Forums, however, that means that real world rules apply. Logic applys. And PIS/CIS doesn't apply....

Originally posted by Draco69
Superman doesn't heat vision people's heads off. But under forum rules he will if stipulations grant it so.

Again, what "way" does Wonder Woman fight? Have you ever even picked up a WW comic. At all? She fights with skill. She fights with speed.

And under forum rules she will be more of a monster since no PIS will hold her back...

Fighting within a character's personality is "CIS." What do you believe the C stands for?

Originally posted by Draco69
The rules stipulate that events of CIS are not exempt if the character regularly shows lack of intelligence or skill to use his/her powers correctly. Like Absorbing Man.

Absorbing Man has the potential to be a nearly-unstoppable force. However because he's so damned stupid, he can be easily be beaten by lesser opponents.

WW does not lack intelligence nor skill to use her speed efficently and ruthless.

Any time she does hold back is solely for plot and plot alone.

So she behaves the way she does all the time for plot. Not because that's her character.

Got it. By the way, did you know the only reason Hulk doesn't rip the heads off all the military guys is because of plot. Must be. It's not because it's not in his character to brutally kill...

Originally posted by Draco69
Wonder Woman does not have Down's Syndrome. She's not as stupid as you would like to think.

Let's say we completely ignore forum rules and say WW flies or runs at the Hulk at supersonic speeds and hits him once. It likely won't knock the Hulk out. So, what now? No more superspeed? NO. WW uses her supersonic speed to hit the Hulk twice instead of once because obviously once didn't work. That won't work. Let's try three. Four. Twelve. Fifty. One Hundred....

You're just coming out with weird and desperate ways to limit WW's abilities. According to you, she won't use her superspeed at all and if she does she only use it to hit him once. And WW will apparently forget her skill and fight like a child because skill doesn't matter in comics....

You're making perfect sense.

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How many ICBMs and fighter jets has Hulk hit? A lot. Maybe even more than Wonder Woman has used this tactic you're devising for her here.

Originally posted by Draco69
Hulk doesn't need to breathe in water. For some goddamned reason, he has gills...

Not exactly.

Originally posted by Draco69
In space or a pressure containment area however is another question.

IH #111 and IH vol. 2 #90. His body can mutate to adapt to the environment, including zero atmosphere.

Originally posted by Draco69
And WW is smart gal. Let's say she uses this "viable" tactic. While trying to run around him and suck the air out of his lungs why doesn't she stick out her fist and strike him every so and often.

But according to you she won't do that right?

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I don't know. Why doesn't she do it?

Originally posted by Draco69
When she runs at superspeeds, her feet hit the grounds hundreds of times per second. She uses her leg muscles and her legs and feet stretch outward to strike the ground.

Are you still with me?

Now, let's say Wonder Woman uses her arm muscles to stretch out her arms and fists at the same speed she uses her legs to run at superspeed. What do you get? A speedblitz. As shown below:

http://img140.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bodydoubles411mb.jpg

How fast is she going? That could be below Spider-Man speed for all the scan says about it.

Since it's in-character for her to batter an opponent hundreds of times per second, you should have no problem showing her doing exactly that.

Maybe I'm wrong, but didn't someone already post a panel of Wonder Woman yamming someone with Super Speed punches? And Who in thier right minds would think it would be out of her character? She blocks Thousands of rounds per second laster blast and bullets. These are the same reflexes it would take to simply punch someone right?

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Like he did in the first fight with Doomsday? Oh, right. He didn't. Instead he fought Doomsday at a rate of speed that Lois and Jimmy were able to follow, photograph, and call play-by-play.

I've seen Superman fight superfast foes at superspeed. I've seen him use his speed to take out the Elite.

But that is not the rule for him.

Actually, it's the inability to read for ya. Since I didn't attribute the majority to simply using speed. Superman's also tough enough to take a few through strength.

Got your match ready for that strawman?

Possibly. Feel free to post it.

Obviously his body is going to be exposed to greater levels but it isn't the same as super-charging by going into the sun.

I know what character is. If you think Flash is likely to do what you say, you clearly don't.

Character means the way a person thinks and behaves. It's not just about how intelligent they are.

If that's how the board operates, debating power sets rather than character, then my stay will be short. Because I really don't want to hear silliness like "Hulk grabs the energy beam and breaks it" or "Wonder Woman does something she's never ever done and hits a guy five hundred million times before he blinks" as a serious response.

Fighting within a characters personality is "CIS." What do you believe the C stands for?

So she behaves the way she does all the time for plot. Not because that's her character.

Got it. By the way, did you know the only reason Hulk doesn't rip the heads off all the military guys is because of plot. Must be. It's not because it's not in his character to brutally kill...

How many ICBMs and fighter jets has Hulk hit? A lot. Maybe even more than Wonder Woman has used this tactic you're devising for her here.

Not exactly.

IH #111 and IH vol. 2 #90. His body can mutate to adapt to the environment, including zero atmosphere.

I don't know. Why doesn't she do it?

How fast is she going? That could be below Spider-Man speed for all the scan says about it.

Since it's [b]in-character for her to batter an opponent hundreds of times per second, you should have no problem showing her doing exactly that. [/B]

Now in THIS match up, that means that Wonder Woman isn't likely to use her Godwave to score an easy kill against another hero. By the same token, if Hulk started the match ultra enraged(and therefore unbelievably strong), it can't be argued that he would do something like split the Earth in half with a punch, just because she might suffocate, while his body would adapt.

The Punisher already has no problems at kiling -in- character....

Originally posted by olympian
Your probably confusing me with Beta. You wont find quotes of me saying that i think Hercules is the strongest character ever in comics, thats dumb. Especially when we have characters like Thanos, Kurse, Despero and the like, and i sure DONT give Herc good odds against those.

Hercules CAN win a slugfest against Hulk. WW CAn win a slugfest against Hulk. The main issue is will they take the majority of them? No. Its not like the Hulk its going to win 10 out of 10 against either and im surely not saying he will, here.

And for the record your last line its exactly what i said on a post above. If these two use theyr vastly superior skill, together with theyr strength then i see them edging Hulk.

If its just fist by fist play (wich is what the tread is -asking-) aka a slugfest, aka a -pure bar brawl-, then it goes from being inconclusive (stalemates or whatnot, but nothing decisive) to an edge of Hulk.

I hope my stance is clear.

No. It's not.

I don't understand your perception of the meaning: "slugfest" or "bar brawl". What does it mean to you?

Does it mean that both characters have equal speed and reflexes and rely purely on strength, skill and durability and nothing else?

If it does to you than I would agree that Hulk would likely outlast Diana.

However a slugfest to me inclines purely strength, durability, skill and SPEED which irrevocably tilts the scales in Diana's favor...

Originally posted by Jonathanos
The specifics of who is stronger doesn't matter. I see her as a step down from Superman in strength. Captain Marvel is repeatedly shown and said to be Superman's equal.

I have no problem with this.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
The rules specifically say that character is considered. Superman would not ever flick Batman into space. He'll fight him as he's shown to fight him in the comics.

No. He'll fight to the best of his ability and in within his intelligence,

Originally posted by Jonathanos
skill and tactical way of fighting. Which means that Superman not bloodlusted but fighting to the best of his ability means Batman gets knocked out in a picosecond.

[QUOTE=7384534]Originally posted by Jonathanos
[B]If you're debating power set only, I've no interest in participating.

Then don't. 😬

You're already seem to have knack of invalidating logic and validating PIS/CIS feats.

If you can't seem to grasp the forum's rules then leave and go back to SHC...

You refuse to acknowledge WW's speed despite her showing superspeed numerous times.

You refuse to acknowledge WW's skill citing she doesn't use that well against high-tier characters when she clearly does.

You're nitpicking and being an ass....

Originally posted by Jonathanos
With the proper prep-time, sure. Batman could conceivably pull the win against Hulk.

True. At least a week...

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Of course, Hulk could just as conceivably clap and call it a day.

No. According to your warped logic, Batman would somehow dodge the clap, hypnotize the Hulk into submission and use a sleeping gas to put him to sleep.

Hey, after all it happens in comics....

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Originally posted by Jonathanos
So it seems that street levels use their skill more effectively than Wonder Woman, doesn't it?

Because it's all they have and the writers make them seem worthwhile when they use their skill to illogically defeat characters they shouldn't.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Really? I say Wonder Woman won't punch someone a hundred times in a second. You say she will.

You would be wrong.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Since it's in character, you should have no problem getting an example of her doing it.

You obviously ignored the scan below...

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Originally posted by Jonathanos
You're telling me I don't understand the character of Wonder Woman while saying we should ignore how she is shown to act in the comics? 😂

Hardly. I'm saying we should regard Wonder Woman's powerset to her character or rather her intelligence, skill with her powers and tactical way of fighting. As an Amazon warrior, using her abilities to the best of her abilities, she would hold nothing back. She would go in for the kill. That means speedblitzing the green Gumby.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
And stop strawmanning.

Stop being so purposefully stupid. You're not as dumb as you seem. You're purposefully covering your ears to anything that remotely makes sense.

Originally posted by Draco69
No. It's not.

I don't understand your perception of the meaning: "slugfest" or "bar brawl". What does it mean to you?

Does it mean that both characters have equal speed and reflexes and rely purely on strength, skill and durability and nothing else?

If it does to you than I would agree that Hulk would likely outlast Diana.

However a slugfest to me inclines purely strength, durability, skill and SPEED which irrevocably tilts the scales in Diana's favor...

A fist figth its a brawl. Its mainly trading punches, where usually toughness, heart, soak ability and strength matter.

A slugfest can imply the use of hand to hand skill. That and other abilities characters may have, but it striked me that the question asked here was, how would Diana fare with purely trading blows. Wich on the case, if Thor and Hercules havent beat him in that way so far, Diana likely wont have good odds either. Certainly not better.

The speed issue is something i dont really care to bother much. Not that she doesnt have it or she never used it, but i usually take the characters as they usually figth in comics and not just going by powerset.

Because if so, its only fair to use Hulks ability so to speak of tagging speedsters. In this case i dont use either because the number of times it has happened are scarce.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Like he did in the first fight with Doomsday? Oh, right. He didn't. Instead he fought Doomsday at a rate of speed that Lois and Jimmy were able to follow, photograph, and call play-by-play.

And his second and third fight. He speedblitzed the bastard. What's your point?

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Originally posted by Jonathanos
I've seen Superman fight superfast foes at superspeed. I've seen him use his speed to take out the Elite.

Yet you say he wouldn't do the same against the Hulk. No. He would fight on the ground, using human-like speed against the Hulk.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
But that is not the rule for him.

What rule? What rule states that Superman or Wonder Woman will suddenly forget their superspeed when fighting an opponent on this forum?

How the hell can Superman and Wonder Woman fight at their VERY best but...not use their superspeed or in WW's case not her skill and speed?

Yeah. Bullsh*t...

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Originally posted by Jonathanos
Actually, it's the inability to read for ya. Since I didn't attribute the majority to simply using speed. Superman's also tough enough to take a few through strength.

And yet WW can't even though she's nearly as strong as Superman and has superspeed to?

What ARE you smoking?

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Originally posted by Jonathanos
Got your match ready for that strawman?

I don't need a match. The noxious fumes of the bullsh*t you're polluting this thread with is flammable to plain ol' oxygen...

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Obviously his body is going to be exposed to greater levels but it isn't the same as super-charging by going into the sun.

Than OBVIOUSLY his solar batteries were charged to a point where a single blow allowed him to strike WW from the Sun to the Earth in under two minutes...

Originally posted by Jonathanos
I know what character is. If you think Flash is likely to do what you say, you clearly don't.

Is Flash likely to do it in a comic (He HAS by the way...)? No. He IS willin g to kill if sufficently provocated however.

In a forum battle where he's fighting an opponent to the death and he's fighting to very best of his ability? Hell yes.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Character means the way a person thinks and behaves. It's not just about how intelligent they are.

Character implies intelligence, skill and how tactically a person battles in combat when they are fighting to the max.

Nightcrawler when not fighting at his best would teleport around hitting his opponent sporadically.

Nightcrawler fighting at his very best would teleport the person's limb off. He isn't normally willing to. But fighting at his very best AND within his character (intellect, skill and tactics) would conclude that he would.

Wonder Woman "thinks and behaves" like a warrior. She's absolutely willing to kill if necessary. She doesn't hold back like Superman if provocated enough and she uses her abilities efficently in correspondence to her character (intellect, skill, and tactics).

There's absolutely NOTHING in WW's character that implies she wouldn't use her superspeed against an opponent. Not her intelligence. Not her skill. Not her tactics. And certainly not the way she thinks and behaves. 😬

Originally posted by Jonathanos
If that's how the board operates, debating power sets rather than character, then my stay will be short.

Bye. 😐

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Because I really don't want to hear silliness like "Hulk grabs the energy beam and breaks it"

Oh please. How the hell would Hulk perceive an lightspeed energy beam, much less break it?

We think logically. We use the character's powersets, character implying skill, intelligence and tactics, and spatial reasoning to conclude who would win between characters.

If you're not mature enough to understand this simple concept than keeping posting that Wolverine will pawn Magneto because he can sneak up on Wolverine like he does in comics in the Cartoon Network forum...

Originally posted by Jonathanos
"Wonder Woman does something she's never ever done and hits a guy five hundred million times before he blinks" as a serious response.

This we take seriously because it makes complete sense. (certainly not that number though.)

It's within her power. It's within her intelligence. It's within her skill. It's within her tactics. And it's certainly how an Amazon with superspeed would act if she was going all out...

An five hundred million is a bit much....

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Originally posted by Jonathanos
Fighting within a character's personality is "CIS." What do you believe the C stands for?

Do you know what S stands for? STUPIDITY. You're making a habit of practicing it....

Character Induced Stupidity. When a character performs an illogical, stupid or dumbass action because of the following A) they are genuinely stupid (i.e. Absorbing Man) B) They have a psychological condition that prevents them from using their powers like they should (i.e. Rogue; she refuses to use her absorbing powers unless it's absolutely last resort) C) they don't have the appropiate skill or knowledge of their powers to use their powers as effectively as they should (i.e. Iceman. He STILL doesn't know jack about using his powers correctly...) D) A moral code or honor code that they consciously project upon themselves therefore limiting themselves to using their powers by limitations (i.e. Superman; fear of killing his opponent by which he bypasses it if he is sure his opponent can take it/ Storm; fear of disrupting the delicate balance of nature/ Human Torch; keeping his tempature down to safe levels that won't kill everyone around him/Professor X; finds using his telepathy for harm a breach of his morals.)

Now based on that definition, A through D, which of the above could possibly apply to WW NOT using her superspeed or combat skill in combat to her very best? A? Hell no. B? Nope. C? Hell no... D? She's an Amazon who kills if necessary and doesn't hold back....so no.

Your theory of WW not using her speed and skill due to CIS is defunct and therefore invalid.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
So she behaves the way she does all the time for plot. Not because that's her character.

YES!

Good boy!

You like so many, have once again, misdefined CIS and PIS.

There's nothing that Flash displays as CIS to use his powers ineffectively against his Rogues and somehow get tagged by boomerangs is not because he's stupid or he doesn't know how to use his powers.

It's called PIS. Read the rules. Tron specifically uses this example as a example of PIS.

All Flash comics would last a pixel of ink if Flash weren't held down by PIS.

Same with Superman, Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel. Except they would last about 6 pixels....

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Got it. By the way, did you know the only reason Hulk doesn't rip the heads off all the military guys is because of plot. Must be. It's not because it's not in his character to brutally kill...

Depends on the Hulk. CIS would apply to some Hulks. PIS to others.

And you're trying to sound sarcastic but you're actually saying the right thing in accordance to forum rules.

After all that military head is gonna fire a plot-device gamma-sucking missle later on in the arc....

Originally posted by Jonathanos
How many ICBMs and fighter jets has Hulk hit? A lot. Maybe even more than Wonder Woman has used this tactic you're devising for her here.

WW is far faster than a jet. She's outsped jets since #2 of her post-crisis inception. Even Thangarian fighter jets.

And can jets think and react as fast as they fly? No.

Hulk won't capture WW when she's speedblitzing him because A) she'll dodge any clumsy attempt to capture her and B) unlike a fighter jet, Hulk will be moving in relative slow-motion to her allowing her to parry, dodge or counter any of his attacks.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
Not exactly.

Originally posted by Jonathanos
I don't know. Why doesn't she do it?

Because her comic has to last 32 pages and she has to lasso something at least once a page.

If she did this for every battle, than WW would come out in bubble gum wrappers....

It's called PIS.

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For the plot, ya know?

Originally posted by Jonathanos
How fast is she going? That could be below Spider-Man speed for all the scan says about it.

700 mph.

No, I'm joking.

Are you f***ing kidding me? You actually want numbers? You're actually nitpicking the feat stating that she was moving slower than Spider-Man?

Jesus Christ.

I don't even know where to begin.

She's clearly punching the guy at greater than normal speeds since she's leaving the atypical afterimages of superspeed.

And you have the gall to state that she MAY be going slower than Spider-Man?

She can run faster than sound but in your screwed-up world she can punch slower than Spider-Man?

It's a viable feat for a speedblitz. Even in the .01 out a million chance she's going slower than Spider-Man, she can, uh I don't know, increase her punching speed.....

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God....

Originally posted by olympian
A fist figth its a brawl. Its mainly trading punches, where usually toughness, heart, soak ability and strength matter.

A slugfest can imply the use of hand to hand skill. That and other abilities characters may have, but it striked me that the question asked here was, how would Diana fare with purely trading blows. Wich on the case, if Thor and Hercules havent beat him in that way so far, Diana likely wont have good odds either. Certainly not better.

The speed issue is something i dont really care to bother much. Not that she doesnt have it or she never used it, but i usually take the characters as they usually figth in comics and not just going by powerset.

Because if so, its only fair to use Hulks ability so to speak of tagging speedsters. In this case i dont use either because the number of times it has happened are scarce.

Well, I tend to think logically. WW has superspeed. She's gonna use it. The Hulk won't be able to hit someone's who is freakishly faster than him and can deflect/dodge faster than sound machine gun fire...BLIND. Any blow that manages to connect will be deflected by her bracelets.

Ignoring her speed because you want it to isn't viable to me. It doesn't make sense.....

Hulk's tagged a 175mph Quicksilver and 300mph Speed Demon. None anywhere near Diana's speed.

Again, if WW were stripped of her speed/reflexes and she had only her strength and durability and skill, she would lose the majority to the Hulk unless she really poured it on.

Originally posted by golem370
I say it would be a hell of a fight possibly Professor Hulk toughest but I still believe he wins the majority of the fights. Professor Hulk is high Level class 100 has great durability stamina and is a great fighter. Also there is absoulty now way Wonder Woman is stronger then Hercules imo

Noone cares what you say you little toad.

Go and make another useless thread about an obscure character from 1976....

I'm talking to a guy who thinks Hulk can beat Firestorm and Captain Atom...at the same time...in SPACE.

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Originally posted by Draco69
Noone cares what you say you little toad.

Go and make another useless thread about an obscure character from 1976....

I'm talking to a guy who thinks Hulk can beat Firestorm and Captain Atom...at the same time...in SPACE.

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No need to be an ass.