But I am a good moral person

Originally posted by marcu
Many people have very bitter feelings towards the church and God. Thus, when one is speaking to someone who does not seem to be recieving openly...he must be careful not to throw too much religion at that person. The last thing a christian should do is use the written word so forcefully that non-believers get disqusted and turn further away.

None of you know my backround, and when I say that the wrong approach to teaching bible reading, prayer etc is used...it can be haremul in the mind of the one inteneded to recieve.

Fine.

I'm just being anal. Sorry.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Thank you for your kind words. I understand what are you saying, and I am working on that right now. The hate is deep within me, and I need to purge this from my life. I have made a lot of progress and this forum has helped. However, JIA brings out the pain in me because he reminds me of my brother, who will not talk to me. Why can Christians be so hateful?

I will never understand why you keep putting my name into your life situations. I don't have a thing to do with your pain. All I know is everytime that I post anything, here you come right behind me (before anyone else has a chance to) saying the direct opposite of what I said. If I say the Bible is true, then you post the exact opposite. Shak. I have even called you on the carpet and asked you why do you oppose everything that I say. No one else does that as much as you. It seems that you do it just to antagonize me. I have never once called your anti-posts an attack. But let me post an article or anything for that matter and you immediately (almost without thinking) post right afterwards something contradictory or accusatory about me.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Thank you for your kind words. I understand what are you saying, and I am working on that right now. The hate is deep within me, and I need to purge this from my life. I have made a lot of progress and this forum has helped. However, JIA brings out the pain in me because he reminds me of my brother, who will not talk to me. Why can Christians be so hateful?

This my friend is what I am speaking of. Everyone here needs to realize that we are not avatars and sigs. We are real people. With real issues. Shaky, I am well in the know of the place that you are at. I have my own story that in the end led me to be very bitter towards Chrisianity as well. And It was due to the approach taken by those trying to "save" me. THis was years ago mind you. I was a non-believer for many years due to this approach. However, I did at some point come to the realization that I needed to seek out MY truth. Not others. And I am in the midst of that journey as we speak. I do believe in God and I now know that the CHurch is a good place for me. I struggle loads though...do not get me wrong.

You know why Chrtistians can come across as hateful? SOME christains...cause there are many, many great tender loving believers out there...any way, becuase of two reasons...1- they are desperate to see you in Heaven (salvation) 2- some (few but some non the less) have it in their heads that the louder they are, and the more in your face they are...the more they think the Lord will be pleased in their efforts. THese are few and far between...there are many GREAT christan people out there.

😆 He's not the only one.

And he's doing it because you're wrong, not to antagonize you.

Originally posted by Alliance
😆 He's not the only one.

And he's doing it because you're wrong, not to antagonize you.

Ok, if you know everything, i'd like to ask you, what is my real name? 😛

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I will never understand why you keep putting my name into your life situations. I don't have a thing to do with your pain. All I know is everytime that I post anything, here you come right behind me (before anyone else has a chance to) saying the direct opposite of what I said. If I say the Bible is true, then you post the exact opposite. Shak. I have even called you on the carpet and asked you why do you oppose everything that I say. No one else does that as much as you. It seems that you do it just to antagonize me. I have never once called your anti-posts an attack. But let me post an article or anything for that matter and you immediately (almost without thinking) post right afterwards something contradictory or accusatory about me.

I don't think I'm alone. I never said you cause me pain. I said you bring out the pain in me. That is actually a good thing.

If you take a moment and try to get to know me, we could actually become friends. I have lots of Christian friends.

Alliance,

I do not post here or read here often enough to know the history of JIA and the rest of you. But, what I do know is that JIA is a believer of Jesus. Please recognize that he is a real person at a computer somewhere and that he, like you, have a belief system in their lives. His approach may not be the right style for you all here. But never the less, he is speaking his beliefs. Try to not just say "you are wrong".

I have been in here for ten mintues and found a crucial piece to the puzzle of Shaky. He is human and has a past. And his past and mine are probably of simular nature. So, I will try to take that past into consideration when speaking to him. COuld you try the same with JIA?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I don't think I'm alone. I never said you cause me pain. I said you bring out the pain in me. That is actually a good thing.

If you take a moment and try to get to know me, we could actually become friends. I have lots of Christian friends.

Shak. just yesterday I called you my boy. I don't have an ill-will or animosity towards you. The rancor seems to be coming from you towards me. Now it also appears that you are evading my direct question regarding why you accused me of attacking Jehovah's Witnesses. I am still waiting for you to support your allegation.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]Going to Heaven Are We? [/B]

Why do you try so hard to be the negative stereotype of a christian? All this effort and argument, and you have done not one damned thing to change the way anyone here thinks. And it's not like we are here to change the way people think, but you start thread after thread and all of them are redundant. It's just you spewing crap and then condemning people who choose not to be a mindless vegitable too. If you believe in god so strongly, then exercise the mind he gave you. Besides, the only way you've gotten away with this sock account this long in by staying in this forum.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Shak. just yesterday I called you my boy. I don't have an ill-will or animosity towards you. The rancor seems to be coming from you towards me. Now it also appears that you are evading my direct question regarding why you accused me of attacking Jehovah's Witnesses. I am still waiting for you to support your allegation.

You need to be more patient, I just posted my response. I also don’t know what “my boy” means. I took it as a derogatory. I didn’t know you meant it in a good way.

Originally posted by marcu
Alliance,

I do not post here or read here often enough to know the history of JIA and the rest of you. But, what I do know is that JIA is a believer of Jesus. Please recognize that he is a real person at a computer somewhere and that he, like you, have a belief system in their lives. His approach may not be the right style for you all here. But never the less, he is speaking his beliefs. Try to not just say "you are wrong".

I have been in here for ten mintues and found a crucial piece to the puzzle of Shaky. He is human and has a past. And his past and mine are probably of simular nature. So, I will try to take that past into consideration when speaking to him. COuld you try the same with JIA?

Well, since you are so aware of your situation...you should know that I also have a past. You also don't know JIA and my relationship offer this forum. Until you become aware of the past, you should reserve your judgements.

JIA treats most people on this forum like shit. Most people around here know that and don't like him because of that.

So, I'd have to say you should back off.

Originally posted by Alliance
Well, since you are so aware of your situation...you should know that I also have a past. You also don't know JIA and my relationship offer this forum. Until you become aware of the past, you should reserve your judgements.

JIA treats most people on this forum like shit. Most people around here know that and don't like him because of that.

So, I'd have to say you should back off.

Uh, The post that you qouted was not meant in any way as an attack. I'm sorry if you took it as one. I was merely trying to say that everyone need try respecting everyone cause we have no real clue as to peoples past or present situations. I do apologize if you felt that I was butting into something I should have not been in. I hope you can forgive me whatever feelings my post stirred up in you.

Did Richard keep the Sabbath, Gods holy day?....What if the Bible had never been printed then what???..No printing press.....All those who never heard go where?

Originally posted by marcu
Try to not just say "you are wrong".

That's what he does though. The religion forum isn't necessarily a church pulpit.

I'm not mad. No forgiveness necessary. Most people who post a lot in this forum have a history...and debates here usually aren't sqeuaky clean. Its simply a fact of this forum sometimes.

I don't believe that opinions are valid, just because a person holds them. In practice I am a fairly tolerant person, but intolerance really sets me off. JIA is perhaps the most intolerant (actually, there are only few intolerant people) in this forum. JIA is not one to discuss who he is or why he believes in things, he is more interested in preaching.

Hence, my responses to his jargon are usually not productive.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You need to be more patient, I just posted my response. I also don’t know what “my boy” means. I took it as a derogatory. I didn’t know you meant it in a good way.

I guess I will never get an answer to why you accused me of attacking Jehovah's Witnesses then.

I have posted several times in a couple of different threads asking you to justify your accusation and each time you skirt my appeal. If I am guilty of attacking Jehovah's Witnesses as you allege then I stand ready to apologize. But you have not commented even once in respect to this accusation about why you think that I attacked Jehovah's Witnesses.

Originally posted by debbiejo
Did Richard keep the Sabbath, Gods holy day?....What if the Bible had never been printed then what???..No printing press.....All those who never heard go where?

Then there would be hand written scrolls in the drawer of every hotel nightstand. Seriously, these people would go that far.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I guess I will never get an answer to why you accused me of attacking Jehovah's Witnesses then.

The only person I've ever seen you answer repeatedly is Shakya, so don't play victim.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I guess I will never get an answer to why you accused me of attacking Jehovah's Witnesses then.

I have posted several times in a couple of different threads asking you to justify your accusation and each time you skirt my appeal. If I am guilty of attacking Jehovah's Witnesses as you allege then I stand ready to apologize. But you have not commented even once in respect to this accusation about why you think that I attacked Jehovah's Witnesses.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
JIA, you posted a large article purporting to demonstrate that JWs are perpetuating a lie. By any reasonable definition, that was an anti-JW artcile you posted, and so therefore you did post an attack on Witnesses.

Asking for justification for a stsatement you did that, when the fact that yoiu did is plain for all to see, is a waste of everyone's time. You will have to accept that what you did is reasonably construed as attack.

Lets drop this, ok?

Originally posted by Alliance
I'm not mad. No forgiveness necessary. Most people who post a lot in this forum have a history...and debates here usually aren't sqeuaky clean. Its simply a fact of this forum sometimes.

I don't believe that opinions are valid, just because a person holds them. In practice I am a fairly tolerant person, but intolerance really sets me off. JIA is perhaps the most intolerant (actually, there are only few intolerant people) in this forum. JIA is not one to discuss who he is or why he believes in things, he is more interested in preaching.

Hence, my responses to his jargon are usually not productive.

Ok Alliance. I can certainly respect how you are feeling. Someone just posted a comment about the forum not being a pupit. And it should not be a pulpit. It should be a place where we get to know where everyone is coming from and try to help and support each other in whatever journey we may all be on. I, even as a Chirstian, do not like to be "preached" at. I want to learn and grow in a calm, and humbling manner, by calm and humble people.