ESB Luke vs. Qui-Gon Jinn

ESB Luke:

- In ANH, he demonstrated that with only limited knowledge of the Force, he could guide his ship’s blaster perfectly into the hole of the Death Star
- In the Temple of Pomojema, he held Vader off and managed to sever the Dark Lord’s arm
- Managed to fight Darth Vader in his wrath by himself for an extended period of time

Maul as we know is greatly inferior to Darth Vader. Maul defeated Qui-Gon with ease (barely a minute after Qui-Gon healed himself). If Luke could hold off Darth Vader, I would say he’s pretty damn good.

Very well, I accept he loses to Qui-Gon, but to say he gets wtf pwned, dies in a second, is plain dumb logic.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
ESB Luke:

- In ANH, he demonstrated that with only limited knowledge of the Force, he could guide his ship’s blaster perfectly into the hole of the Death Star
- In the Temple of Pomojema, he held Vader off and managed to sever the Dark Lord’s arm
- Managed to fight Darth Vader in his wrath by himself for an extended period of time

Maul as we know is greatly inferior to Darth Vader. Maul defeated Qui-Gon with ease (barely a minute after Qui-Gon healed himself). If Luke could hold off Darth Vader, I would say he’s pretty damn good.

Very well, I accept he loses to Qui-Gon, but to say he gets wtf pwned, dies in a second, is plain dumb logic.

Not If you remind yourself of everything everyone else said earlier. 😛

What did I say? I said that Qui-Gon wins but it's close. That's what I voted.

Yup. 😛 And everyone else said Qui-Gon would beat Luke's ass easily.
They voted too, look. 🙄

So? In Vader vs. Tyrannus, Tyrannus has double the votes of Vader. Does that make him better? Hell no! All smart people know Vader wins.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
So? In Vader vs. Tyrannus, Tyrannus has double the votes of Vader. Does that make him better? Hell no! All smart people know Vader wins.

Yup, just like Qui-Gon wins. 😉

No, Maul is not greatly inferior to Darth Vader. When they fought in the infintry it was damn close. And while the infintry isn't a canonical event in the sw history the events that happened within infintires are regarded as accurate, or as accurate as any otehr EU source is. C-Canon.

Originally posted by ((The_Anomaly))
All I have to say is LOL to the "Luke is the Chosen One" part.

But Qui-Gon WTFpwns Luke

page 48, first paragraph.

When they had fought, he had also tried to strike the boy down, but that had merely been a test. had he been able to kill Luke easily, Luke would not have been worth the effort to recruit. But although he had certaintly attempted to defeat Luke, the boy hd held his own. Despite vader's superior skill, despite his expieriance, Luke had survived with no more damage than an easily repaired amputated hand.

There ya go.

No, Maul is not greatly inferior to Darth Vader. When they fought in the infintry it was damn close. And while the infintry isn't a canonical event in the sw history the events that happened within infintires are regarded as accurate, or as accurate as any otehr EU source is. C-Canon.

It's still non-canon, so I refuse to use it as a source.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
So? In Vader vs. Tyrannus, Tyrannus has double the votes of Vader. Does that make him better? Hell no! All smart people know Vader wins.

What are you saying? 🥷

Originally posted by darthsith19
No, Maul is not greatly inferior to Darth Vader. When they fought in the infintry it was damn close. And while the infintry isn't a canonical event in the sw history the events that happened within infintires are regarded as accurate, or as accurate as any otehr EU source is. C-Canon.

And this still doesn't grant Maul as close to Vader. If the event that Maul and Vader faced eachother is canon, then what is to say they are close? Maul could just have been trying to hold his own, survive. Doesn't neccessarily have to be in Vader's league....

Besides, Vader has probably never met a true double-wielding lightsaber Sith Lord before. And kamikz is right, Maul could have been struggling. People say Vader is greater than Dooku (which he is), and Dooku is a lot stronger than Maul. Qui-Gon got defeated with ease by Maul. Luke held off Vader for an extended period of time, see Trebor's quote. I don't see how Qui-Gon wtf pwns Luke. I see it as Qui-Gon barely wins, but Luke has a possiblity of winning.

Because when Vader fought Luke, he was rusty and was also experiencing the same semi-crippling mental effect he had while dueling Obi-Wan on Mustafar.

The reputed and highly experienced Jedi Master, Qui-Gon Jinn, would have a clear and focused mind as he used his advanced and highly honed techniques and reflexes against the barely trained apprentice, Luke Skywalker.

In a masterful measure of technique and grace, he would move in during the beggining of the duel and dispatch Luke with one precise and agile attack.

He would drop Luke like a bad habit. 😛

When Maul and Vader fight Maul is winning for most of it. It was definately close. I see no reason why either Maul or Vader wouldn't be going all-out.

OMFG, so Darth Vader = Darth Maul. Wow, that's absolutely bullshit. Vader is better than Tyrannus, are u going to argue that Maul > Tyrannus?

Vader is better than Dooku? Hardly. Maybe Anakin yea, but not Vader, the robot himself..

Umm why can't he?? OMFG he can't move as fast, but his armor is not like a middle-age battle armor, which is hot & stiff suit and where you can barely move in! This is the future, his armor is probably cooled and flexible. Vader still knows his Djem So strength, plus he learns a one-handed version that uses the Force. Even Dooku has to stop for a second to use the Force. Vader can defeat Dooku, no doubt about it.

Originally posted by Quinlan_Vos
OMFG, so Darth Vader = Darth Maul. Wow, that's absolutely bullshit. Vader is better than Tyrannus, are u going to argue that Maul > Tyrannus?

No, read the infintry. It shows that Maul is not equal to Vader, but nearly equal. Which is one of the reasons why Tyranus > Vader.

This is so retarded. Are you saying then that TPM Padawan Obi-Wan Kenobi can give Vader a nice fight? This is so fu*cked up 😂

Vader has defeated dozens of Jedi during his hunt for them. He can:

- Force Choke with great power
-Use his hands to dissappear energy from laser blasts
-Could hurl many items at his opponents while fighting, plus he uses Dun Moch
-Uses his fierce strength with his Djem So to create a barrage of crushing blows
-Has immense strength
-Trained regularly with ASP-19 Droids for practice, note these droids are faster than human

Plus a lot more.

I don't see how Tyrannus can beat him. Plus, Luke stood up to that!!! Maul would get pwned by Vader. And guess what, Qui-Gon got sliced up Maul! Luke would stand to Qui-Gon easily.