Doc Samson vs. Spiderman

Hey the very comic that coined the PIS phrase. Thats about as poorly written as it gets. Firelord is a cosmic being that should be laughing at Spidey. Good lord.

Thats also a nice two page scan of Spiderman and the Hulk. One question, does the Hulk look the least bit hurt to you? Yeah, me neither.

My point here is, Spiderman might be fast enough to hit a character like the Hulk 50 or so times before the Hulk gets a shot in, but what effect does this have on Spiderman? What effect would it have on any of us if we punched a brick wall 50 times? Last I checked, Spiderman has no speed force that protects him when he supposedly speedblitzes somebody. In all honesty, Spiderman is the one that should be hurting after he threw the 50 punches. What does the world of physics have to say about that.

Also, i'm pretty sure that a character that is capable of feats like this can also snap Spidermans webbing. (sorry about the size of the picture)

have you ever been in a fight where your just constantly hitting your opponet? do you feel the pain then? do you stop yes he would be feeling it but it wont be enough to break him and it's not like he's just gonna stop, also he would break his hand if he hits his targets wrong so form does have something to do with it, also the whole firelord thing i'm well aware that spidy was cleary outmatched here but the thing is i dont belive the fans really understand what the writers were getting at with that story, firelord could fight spidy 99 more times right now and curbstomp him all over the cosmos but the thing is for all the times he can there's still that one off fluke win that spidy has for that one moment in time spiderman was able to do the impssible we all know that it will never happen again but just that one time he made the impossible possible

stop looking at the fight as just strength vs strenght

Strength has to account for something, but obviously not in this debate. I understand that Spiderman is fast and he would dance around people and punch them millions of times for the win even though he shouldnt be able to harm these characters, but I understand now.

Spiderman, Batman, and Wolverine are the most powerful characters ever created and nobody short of God himself (maybe not even him) can take them. I finally see how pointless it is to debate against them.

Batman and Wolverine, yes. But Spiderman really is a different matter. His degree of versatility helps him greatly.

if this was superman or juggernaut then you would have a point but this is doc samson his durability isnt so hight that spiderman cant harm him

and if you think batman is that tought wait till ya see the thread i got him in

Originally posted by tkitna
Hey the very comic that coined the PIS phrase. Thats about as poorly written as it gets. Firelord is a cosmic being that should be laughing at Spidey. Good lord.

Thats also a nice two page scan of Spiderman and the Hulk. One question, does the Hulk look the least bit hurt to you? Yeah, me neither.

My point here is, Spiderman might be fast enough to hit a character like the Hulk 50 or so times before the Hulk gets a shot in, but what effect does this have on Spiderman? What effect would it have on any of us if we punched a brick wall 50 times? Last I checked, Spiderman has no speed force that protects him when he supposedly speedblitzes somebody. In all honesty, Spiderman is the one that should be hurting after he threw the 50 punches. What does the world of physics have to say about that.

Hulk looked hurt to me.

Spider-Man's denser than normal muscle tissue protect him from such damage. Nice try though. Besides, the good Doctor is not as durable or strong as the Hulk anyway. Check out this nice little match where Spider-man had to help Doc Samson against a super angry Hulk. Thought it was ironic all thing considered

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Imo, an impressive showing for both characters. Hulk couldn't even touch Spider-man, Spider-Man was shown to have some effect on the Hulk. Doc Samson couldn't dodge the Hulk, but he landed some good shots. Shots which the Hulk shrug off, but still. If anyone wants I can post scans of Spider-Man beating the Hulk, in case someone dtill wants to argue Spider-Man's ability to hang with these guys.

P.S. Even suped-up Hulk took a little while to break from the webbing. And Doc Samson is nowhere that strong. Not to mention he can produce more of the web fluid now

Originally posted by tkitna
Strength has to account for something, but obviously not in this debate. I understand that Spiderman is fast and he would dance around people and punch them millions of times for the win even though he shouldnt be able to harm these characters, but I understand now.

Spiderman, Batman, and Wolverine are the most powerful characters ever created and nobody short of God himself (maybe not even him) can take them. I finally see how pointless it is to debate against them.

Talk about an exagerration. Spider-Man is fast enough to not be touched, strong enough to inflict pain and is tactically smarter not to mention Samson has an exploitable weakness. One good yank and Samson is nothing. I have yet to see someone address this. I don't see whats so hard about this to wrap around your mind. I guess since he fought the Hulk no one short of class 70 strength can beat him?

Wolverine has an unbreakble skeleton and Batman is a genuis. In some fights it helps them, in other it won't. Point is you obviously feel that cause they're the most popular they get special treatment. Thats true a lot of time but I can tell you thats not the case here. Spider-Man is my fav hero but I have no problem admitting when he's in over your head.

To you an old analogy, if your 8 yr old daughter is fighting you with the speed of Flash, what happens if when you blink she shaves your head thereby reducing your strength to that of an infant. Still think you can take her?

Not once in the scans with Spiderman, Hulk, and Samson did Spiderman hurt the Hulk. There wasnt even a bubble with an ouch, ungh, or huff in it when Spiderman hit him. By the looks of those scans, the one character that needed the real help was Spiderman or he was going to die, and that was without the Hulk directly touching Spiderman.

The hair cutting has been mentioned many times in this thread.

I'd also love to see the PIS scans of Spiderman taking down the Hulk. While we're at it, here's another scan of the hulk going down.

Wow, Samson broke his hand! Thank goodness things like that dont happen to Spiderman.

Nice use of sarcasm to prove a point. But Spider-Man has broken bones and passed out trying to do a lot of stuff like that so your point comes across as rather pathetic.

I didn't see Hulk say "Ouch" to any of the Doc's blows either, yet its obvious they were doing something. Or were they?

The hair thing was mentioned but never answered. Please, just tell me how Doc Samson gets past that

Originally posted by Metalmanx
No. The comics are written correctly. What you want is a complete reality-change. You want Rhino to be smarter. That would be a different character altogether. Rhino is properly written as being dumb with vast superhuman strength and durability. He's a tank, pure and simple. Spidey has been beating Tanks since he was 15.

And yes, Spidey is easily strong enough to lodge Rhino into a solid rock wall. Why hasn't he done it? Well then Samson would've looked like quite the copycat now, wouldn't he?

Your either one of the worst logicians here or a severe spidey hater.

First of all, if writers wrote spidey correctly then he should never get hit.
He has dodged bullets, lightning, and even lasers (speed of light)that was homed (yes homed!) to him a billion times. In over all abilities, spidey is superior to most.
Spiderman fights villians even more powerful than Sampson like a dayjob. Explain what Sampson has that these villians don't.
And to say that spiderman isn't strong enough to lodge Rhino's head in rock is one of stupidess things I have ever heard. What have you been smoking? And thus with that, you were only implying that sampson is stronger. Duh! Of course he is stronger. No one is arguing this.

So you 3 have responses to make:

1. Explain what Samspon has that his other villians don't. And don't say smarts since some of his villians are equally smart and smartness itself doesn't make one able to keep up or see with a fired bullet.
2. How in God's green Earth is Samspon going to hit spidey (If written correctly).
3. How is Spidey not going to tear his hair when spidey is mega times faster and it takes less than .1 of a second to go "snap". Even though spidey doesn't need to do this.

Originally posted by marvelprince
P.S. Even suped-up Hulk took a little while to break from the webbing. And Doc Samson is nowhere that strong. Not to mention he can produce more of the web fluid now

Yeah, the Hulk took all of two or three seconds to break free of two entire web cartridges. Your right, it probably would have taken Samson 10 seconds or so to break free.

People who are support sampson are very unreasonable.
They imply that more strength wins every time.
They imply that spidey just sits there and let sampson hit him or tear his limbs apart.
They use arguments and scans showing sampson is stronger when no one is arguing this. Thus "the stronger always wins" fallacy.

Give me spiderman's powers and I will beat the living crap out of sampson in a matter of a few seconds. Has anyone heard of the "MAXIMUM SPIDER".

Originally posted by marvelprince
Nice use of sarcasm to prove a point. But Spider-Man has broken bones and passed out trying to do a lot of stuff like that so your point comes across as rather pathetic.

How is it pathetic? I agree Spidey is durable, but nothing like the durability of Samson and Spiderman has supposedly taken down the Hulk (still interested in those scans). I'm just looking at the comparisons here.

I didn't see Hulk say "Ouch" to any of the Doc's blows either, yet its obvious they were doing something. Or were they?

Well, the Hulk did get busted into a building by Samson, but to be honest with you, no, I dont believe the hulk was being to bothered by either of them.

The hair thing was mentioned but never answered. Please, just tell me how Doc Samson gets past that

A hair net? 😮

Originally posted by h1a8
1. Explain what Samspon has that his other villians don't. And don't say smarts since some of his villians are equally smart and smartness itself doesn't make one able to keep up or see with a fired bullet.

Samson probably doesnt have any more or any less than any of the villians your talking about. He shouldnt need it. Also, Samson doesnt need to keep up or see fired bullets,,,,they cant harm him. thats my point.

2. How in God's green Earth is Samspon going to hit spidey (If written correctly).

The Hulk didnt hit Spiderman either in the scans posted above, but yet Spiderman was on the ground and ready to die in a matter of seconds until Samson saved him. i imagine Samson could operate in that same fashion.

3. How is Spidey not going to tear his hair when spidey is mega times faster and it takes less than .1 of a second to go "snap". Even though spidey doesn't need to do this.

I admit that Spiderman can cut his hair, but I cant or wont admit that he doesnt need to.

Ok, i'll quit (although i'm still looking forward to the Hulk beatdown by Spiderman scans) and will admit that if Spiderman cuts Samsons hair, he would win, but if not, he should lose in my opinion.

Its the same instance as Doc Ock slashing The Hulk up and nearly beating him to death, but yet when Peter David read that he got pissed and straightened that out pronto. Mr. Fixit (gray, weaker Hulk) beat Doc Ock in like two panels and thats how I see it also. Same with Samson and Spiderman. Its just my opinion.

When Spider-Man was on the ground, it was because of the Hulks very powerful thunderclap. Can Samson do exactly the same ? I really doubt it.

And when Samson beat Hulk (and broke his hand), he was fighting a weakened Hulk - Banner was fighting inside Hulk to make him weaker, Hulk was not even fighting back, he was just standing there, thinking that Samson was an illusion.