The hero's 12 steps

1. Ordinary World
2. Call to Adventure
3. Refusal of the Call
4. Meeting With the Mentor
5. Crossing the First Threshold
6. Tests, Allies, Enemies
7. Approach
8. Supreme Ordeal
9. Reward
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10. The Road Back
11. Resurrection
12. Return With the Elixir

I would say thats how far Jack has got in the story which is pretty much good closure for movie 2 as Ted and Terry say..because he basically does have the elixer .he just needs to return with it.

and guess what the elixer is..yep its Liz.

im confused ... are those chapter titles for the dvd of DMC ???? ....

...just realised how stupid i sounded, sorry lol

wow! I'm like always impressed!! I hope so that they'll make it that way!!

huh dont get it

Mensch!! That's how to become a hero...step by step!!! And Jack has now reached step 9. savvy? and now he just have to make 3 steps be the right hero!

oooh i get it!

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight

oh it makes sense now!! 😄

nice theory!!!!!

can anyone find any other essay-style theories on the internet concerning jack/liz?

ive been trying for ages but theres no hope...it seems that no one can really understand the complexities of the relationship like us shippers 🙂

LovelyOne, have you read "The Hero with a thousand faces?" It's really good and it talks about the same things you are. I was just wondering.

No i never read that but I was made to study these steps in college lol

is it a good book?

movie 2/3 are actually one story..i can imagine them doing the 12 steps again with Jack though because they kinda need to..in each lord of the rings despite the fact frodo was following these 12 over the entire trilogy..in each movie he started from scratch again lmao.

Also because movie 1 was one story Will was the reluctant hero who got the girl...Jack was the mentor...he was there thoughout

Tia is obviously the mentor in movie 2/3..because although we dont see her..she is the one behind many of the events IMO.."helping Jack along"

Will's new elixir is obviously his father and Tia is actually helping him too

1. Ordinary World
2. Call to Adventure
3. Refusal of the Call
4. Meeting With the Mentor
5. Crossing the First Threshold
6. Tests, Allies, Enemies
7. Approach
8. Supreme Ordeal
9. Reward
10. The Road Back
11. Resurrection
12. Return With the Elixir

where did his story end in movie 2?? number 6?

not sure if they have put Liz in this category..because she doesnt actually have a set elixir ..well there is Will but she actually is WANTING to get him from the very beginning its the thing that they are first reluctant to face/have that they end up with

AHA!! she ended it at number 4..or possibly number 5..because she accepts she wants to get Jack back in her life..I think its number 5 where she ends movie 2

Jack is her true elixir

Oh, that's really exciting! And yes, Jack's her elixir!! Oh...ladies...we find every day new reason why it must be a Jack/Liz end!

Ok so wait..remember the elixir/ call to adventure is the thing the hero is first afraid to take...Jack sets off wanting the chest but running away from Liz...Liz sets off wanting Will and is in fact running away from Jack..Will sets off wanting to save Liz..but in fact meets his dad after the mentor who becomes the person he decideds to be a hero for

Movie 2 and 3 are basically 1 story

Jack's Elixir is Elizabeth:

1. Ordinary World
2. Call to Adventure
3. Refusal of the Call
4. Meeting With the Mentor (tia)
5. Crossing the First Threshold
6. Tests, Allies, Enemies
7. Approach
8. Supreme Ordeal
9. Reward
---------------------------------------Movie 3?
10. The Road Back
11. Resurrection
12. Return With the Elixir

Will Elixir is his father

1. Ordinary World
2. Call to Adventure
3. Refusal of the Call
4. Meeting With the Mentor (Tia)
5. Crossing the First Threshold
6. Tests, Allies, Enemies
-------------------------------------movie 3?
7. Approach
8. Supreme Ordeal
9. Reward
10. The Road Back
11. Resurrection
12. Return With the Elixir

Elizabeths Elixir is Jack:

1. Ordinary World
2. Call to Adventure
3. Refusal of the Call
4. Meeting With the Mentor (tia)
5. Crossing the First Threshold (accepting to get Jack back)
----------------------------------------------------- movie 3?
6. Tests, Allies, Enemies
7. Approach
8. Supreme Ordeal
9. Reward
10. The Road Back
11. Resurrection
12. Return With the Elixir

Jack is ahead of everyone lmao..poor Liz she's taking so darn long..

OMG it all fits so well! honestly..look at the events that hapen to Jack in movie 2 and place it over the first 9 points..tests allies and enimies is where jack had Liz on his ship but was still worrying about what to trust more his material objects or her...then when he's on the beach..Will and Norrington both turn on him..and Liz lol..he's tested here..its where he learns that material objects SUCK

then do the same with Will place it over the first 6..he ends up not knowing who the hell to trust..all he knows is that he has his trusty old dad to be with..

and then Liz over the first 5..it fits really well lmao

yes, how you have now explained it to us, makes sense. Oh, I would like to be as smart as you...alright you're studying that, but in spite of that. So, but one question then...what will Liz enemies be? Will?

aww thanks xxx

Oh god each character is gonna friggin die..Jack already has..

Will is probably going to get his before Liz probably the middle of movie 3...and Liz is probably going to get hers at the very end..but there is resurrection remember that peeps

ok first of all..im just dumb lol if u guys havent noticed. im not stupid in english but im not perfect

what does exilir or elixir mean?

Originally posted by Chiki Mina
ok first of all..im just dumb lol if u guys havent noticed. im not stupid in english but im not perfect

what does exilir or elixir mean?

Iy's the hero's ultimate prize at the end of a story, the one thing they want "most in this world" LMAO..so THATS why they added that friggin COMPASS!

Oh and BTW..the ressurection is not where he's going to be pulled out of purgatory..thats the road back..resurrection is where they become what they were born to be the true hero..and then we see them return with the elixir

you know what..if we all just looked at this earlier we would have all been alot happier over the past few months lmao..

i know ppl are still freeking out geeshhh..

so jack has the 12 steps to be a hero??

or his still has some to achieve.

OMG OMG OMG OMG!!

By the end of movie 2:

Campbell's model compared with Voglers model in braketts

World Of Modern day
(1.Ordinary World)

Call to adventure
(2. Call to adventure)

Refusal of the call
(3. refusal of the call)

Supernatural Aid
(4. Meeting with the mentor)

Crossing The First Threshold
(5. Crossing the first threshold, belly of the whale)

**************************ELIZABETH**************

Road of Trials
(6. Allies, enemies, tests)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^WILL^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Meeting With The Goddess
Woman as Temptress
Atonement with The Father
Apotheosis
(7. Approach To The Inmost Cave / 8. Supreme Ordeal)

The Ultimate GODSEND
(9. The reward, seizing of the sword)

---------------------------------------JACK----------------------------------------

The Refusal of the Return
The Magic Flight
Rescue From Within
Closing The Threshold
Return
( 10. Road back home)

Master of the Two Worlds
(11. Resurrection becomes hero again)

Freedom to Live
(12. Return with the Elixir..ultimate prize)

As you can see, Vogler's list is a simplified version of Campbell's model. Thus, where he simply lists "The Road Back", Campbell's model includes those obstacles in the Hero's path along the road back. Vogler's book is a guide to Campbell's model for writers to use when crafting their stories and looking to add depth of meaning to their characters and plots. He gives a very detailed, clear and concise exploration of the Hero's Journey with a focus on modern cinema.

Originally posted by Chiki Mina
i know ppl are still freeking out geeshhh..

so jack has the 12 steps to be a hero??

or his still has some to achieve.

Jack still has the road back home, resurrection and return with the elixir