Superboy Prime (/w/ Power Armor) v.s. These Heralds

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
So basically "No."

Like your pointless rant that has nothing to do with this debate? Try again.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
With a plot device wall, or from the phantom zone sure.

Last I remember, the phantom zone didn't retcon history. Here is another one for your pis list...SBP punched away darkness. Try again.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
If I flurry my arms while three olympic sprinters are right next to me and knock them off me, I'm now apparently faster than said olympic sprinters?

And if you try and divert the point really hard, maybe you'll distract the readers of this debate away from its original purpose. Try again.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I didn't ask you what he did that was FTL, sentient perception isn't FTL anyway, so I don't know how you'd prove he was going FTL there anyway. I asked: From where you derive he's faster than them? Considering FTL speeds aren't exactly the shiny new thing.

Show me a herald moving at that speed while physically moving planetary mass. You'd have to be ridiculously fast to do both. Try again.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Irony abounds, the "GLs weren't jobbing at all."

Apparently. Try again.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Sure he can... In-****ing-deed.It's around 5 degrees above absolute zero.

Let's lower your body temperarture by 5 degrees and see if you don't think their is a difference. Try again.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Like your pointless rant that has nothing to do with this debate? Try again.

Last I remember, the phantom zone didn't retcon history. Here is another one for your pis list...SBP punched away darkness. Try again.

The only time he did a "retcon punch" was against his plot device wall and when he broke out of the phantom zone.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
And if you try and divert the point really hard, maybe you'll distract the readers of this debate away from its original purpose. Try again.

Show me a herald moving at that speed while physically moving planetary mass. You'd have to be ridiculously fast to do both. Try again.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Apparently. Try again.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Let's lower your body temperarture by 5 degrees and see if you don't think their is a difference. Try again.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The fact that SBP is being touted as a "universal threat" as a defense of him in this thread makes it relevant.

Bad logic...but then again, I never said he was a universal threat. Simply that he's more than powerful enough physically to take on these heralds.

Mentally, he's a different story.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
There was nothing universally threatening about him.

Agreed. They pushed the envelope with that one.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
The only time he did a "retcon punch" was against his plot device wall and when he broke out of the phantom zone.

Think about what you just wrote. He punched his way out of the phantom zone. You do know what the phantom zone is right?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
He's stronger yes. But basically you have nothing to prove he's faster. You just keep repeating the baseless claim.

Outside of Flash, nobody was shown to be able to match his speed...including E2 Superman. The only baseless claim is your shameless "nuh uh" debating.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Right...

In other words, you can't dispute it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
You can't "blow absolute zero".

You also can't fly, manipulate matter, move planets, punch darkness away...etc... pointless.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Think about what you just wrote. He punched his way out of the phantom zone. You do know what the phantom zone is right?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
You keep repeating silly debates. All this was discussed long ago.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
In other words, you can't dispute it.

You also can't fly, manipulate matter, move planets, punch darkness away...etc... pointless.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
And upon that basis he's supposed to be able to take on 7 heralds? Or Odin?

What does Odin have to do with this? Sounds like you're carrying baggage from another thread....

Anyway...let's try this again..physically he can one shot any of them. Mentally the guy isn't the best strategist, so it would go to the heralds more often than not.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[BThe repeated assertion that he's faster without any real justification was discussed?[/B]

Outside of SS, most heralds don't have incredible speed feats. I think moving a planet across the universe physically so fast that entire populations don't know they've been moved is a damn good example of speed. Why you want to deny that...who knows.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
[BI can dispute it easily, the GLs jobbed plain and simple. They were frozen by the S-shield not the temperature. [/B]

Once again, obviously not if there are now 50 guarding him around a red sun.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
What does Odin have to do with this? Sounds like you're carrying baggage from another thread....

Anyway...let's try this again..physically he can one shot any of them. Mentally the guy isn't the best strategist, so it would go to the heralds more often than not.d

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Outside of SS, most heralds don't have incredible speed feats. I think moving a planet across the universe physicallyso fast that entire populations don't know they've been moved is a damn good example of speed. Why you want to deny that...who knows.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Once again, obviously not if there are now 50 guarding him around a red sun.

WHY THE HELL IS THIS THREAD STILL GOING??? SBP gets owned. Seriously, i'd say any 2 of the high-end heralds together would take him, and Surfer w/ the Uni-Power, Keeper Surfer, Surfer w/ Annihilation powerup, or Morg w/ the WOL would take SBP alone. This is a total mismatch.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Other than the fact that he's ludicrously overrated, no baggage. Generally I don't like characters being ludicrously overrated, regardless of whether I like the actual character or not.

Many are ludicrously overrated on these forums. Still doesn't do anything for your debate.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Am I denying it's a speed feat? No. Am I asking you to provide justification for the assertion that by being FTL he is faster than for example Surfer.

Good, then prove that all other heralds are faster than SBP prime. Show SS carrying a planetary mass and flying at his incredible speeds simultaneously.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
For dramatic effect, sure.

Dramatic effect is always good for interesting reading, but it really has nothing to do with the fact that they are scared sh*tless for a reason and it's already happened on panel.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind

Anyway...let's try this again..physically he can one shot any of them. Mentally the guy isn't the best strategist, so it would go to the heralds more often than not.

This is probably half of Galactus's power.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Many are ludicrously overrated on these forums. Still doesn't do anything for your debate.

Good, then prove that all other heralds are faster than SBP prime. Show SS carrying a planetary mass and flying at his incredible speeds simultaneously.

IIRC all Heralds are given FTL by Galactus they'd be pretty useless at finding planets for Galactus if they didn't.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Dramatic effect is always good for interesting reading, but it really has nothing to do with the fact that they are scared sh*tless for a reason and it's already happened on panel.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Hmm does SBP use anywhere near that level of speed and strength in any other feat in IC?

Do heralds when they get owned in multiples?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Like SBP was scared shitless of Bart?

The same Bart who lost his powers because of SBP.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Do heralds when they get owned in multiples?

The same Bart who lost his powers because of SBP.

Bart never lost his powers. He lied about it.

Continue on...

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
🤨 The same Bart who's currently the lead character in Flash, and moves so fast he turns his surroundings to jello or something akin.

Exactly, how long did it take for him to recover? It sure wasn't right away...

It took the Flashes years to wear down SBP.

Originally posted by bigbran
Do you know that this is a fight where the heralds are at there best?
Unilord Surfer.
Or Keeper Surfer.
Or Surfer times fifty. (if we are using this, I honestly don't believe your going to say, that Prime can even take this Surfer)

This is probably half of Galactus's power.

surfer times 50 is no where near galactus power. Galactus is like thousands of times more powerul than surfer. and that is on a hungry day.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Exactly, how long did it take for him to recover? It sure wasn't right away...

It took the Flashes years to wear down SBP.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Exactly, how long did it take for him to recover? It sure wasn't right away...

It took the Flashes years to wear down SBP.

Originally posted by bigbran
Do you know that this is a fight where the heralds are at there best?
Unilord Surfer.
Or Keeper Surfer.
Or Surfer times fifty. (if we are using this, I honestly don't believe your going to say, that Prime can even take this Surfer)

This is probably half of Galactus's power.

Originally posted by bigbran
Do you know that this is a fight where the heralds are at there best?
Unilord Surfer.
Or Keeper Surfer.
Or Surfer times fifty. (if we are using this, I honestly don't believe your going to say, that Prime can even take this Surfer)

This is probably half of Galactus's power.

State where the original thread posted said that this was uni or keeper.

He simply said them at their best. GL Kyle at his best is still not Ion.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
surfer times 50 is no where near galactus power. Galactus is like thousands of times more powerul than surfer. and that is on a hungry day.

Originally posted by nvrbeenwthagirl
surfer times 50 is no where near galactus power. Galactus is like thousands of times more powerul than surfer. and that is on a hungry day.