Imperial_Samura
Anticrust Smurf
Originally posted by lil bitchiness
????How does Orthodoxy fit in with the Mormons and Jehowa's Witnesses?
Orthodox Christianity PRE-DATES Catholisism.
I don't actually know HOW it can be compared to Mormonism and Jehowa's Withness, who are farely new denominations.
Oh, sorry, it was just a badly worded post - I was commenting on JIA's prejudice against all those Christian groups - and the fact he finds in all of them reason to call them unchristian. I was being specific about the Catholics (as per the topic) and then reminded him about the problems he finds with Mormons and Orthodox and JW etc . Not actually saying his objection to Catholicism was the same as his objections to those other Christians I mentioned.
The only way they fit in together is they all approach the religion differently. But then every Christian sect/denomination does, hecne why there is so many.
Mormons follow the Bible heavily, We do not deviate from it. We do have scripture and prophets that bridge the gaps left in the Bible, and gaps exist as anyone should know if they have studied the Bible, but we do not make the Bible of "no effect." We have made of "no effect" erroneous interpretations and beliefs based on misinterpretation of the Bible though.
And that is making my point. The fact Mormon's are "bridging gaps", adding texts of near equal value, people say you should not be considered Christian. I say that is garbage - you have Jesus, you have the Bible, you are Christian. The Catholics, instead of the book of Mormon, have their traditions which they believe traces back to Peter. People say they should not be Christian because of that - garbage I say. They meet the definition - they have Jesus and the Bible. They are Christian.
But anyway, as I explained above, I wasn't implying the Bible was of no effect with the Mormon's, nor was I implying the Catholics do, I was just commenting on how a person, say JIA, can find fault with nearly all types of Christian.
So you want technical information?Okay then, if we take Christian literally, it means (paraphased, can't remember complete) "Follower of Christ" so every "cult" you just listed, in the strictest sense, is "Christian".
It can only be taken literally - he is arguing doctrine as what defines a Christian - it doesn't, doctrine etc. defines denomination, sect. A Christian is person who believe Jesus is the Christ.
*["I suspect if I cared I might find that insulting, but I don't."]***That's nice.
Your wit astounds me.
*["You are an unregenerate ignorant person in need of a bit of learning..."]***There is nothing wrong with being "ignorant"...and it is not a crime. Too, "ignorance" is salvagable...however [in your case], "stupidity" is terminal.
Well, kudos to you, you are the first person I have ever met that is proud of being ignorant. And that somehow gives you the authority to comment on my "stupidity" - dear me, the cynical things I could say to you if I wasn't worried they might go over your head.
Unregenerate? You know me not for I have only posted a couple of times here...and my deportment and words have not been such that one would conclude that I was unregenerate. However, I have read many of your posts...and your words describe who and what you are in your heart: "O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh" [Matthew 12:34].
If it walks like a duck... you refuse to pay any attention to literal definition, a definition you will find in any dictionary, religious text book, encyclopedia etc. You are arguing against all those kinds of things written by experts... as is your right. But when you refuse to listen, well, that seems fairly unrepentant.
*["...You asked 'what makes a person Christian?' I responded with the way in which a Christian is classified, and that it is a term that is perfectly appropriate and accurate in the way in which it is used."]***Not so. You are a terrible theologian...and a WORST mathematician. Using your logic and assuming it is valid [which I do not...and gave my reasons supported by Scripture in a previous post] that: Jesus + Bible = Christian...we have the following equations...all of which are "inequalities"...to wit:
(A)Roman Catholicism
Jesus + Bible + ORAL TRADITION + papal "Ex-Cathedra" pronouncements + teachings of the Magisterium DOES NOT = Christian
Hmmm. Please, pop down to your locally university. Get the books, the things with pages and words, down off the shelves. If you are reading the ones relevant to the topic, you will discover I am on theologically sound ground (maths has nothing to do with it) - DOCTRINE defines denomination/sect. ADDITIONAL FEATURES define denomination/sect. CHRISTIANITY is not a denomination/sect. It is the term for the religious group as a WHOLE. For any person who believe JESUS IS THE CHRIST. Thus Catholics are CHRISTIAN of the ROMAN CATHOLIC denomination/sect.
Can it be any clearer?
Bible + Jesus [who according to them was Satan's brother] + Pearl of Great Price + Book of Mormon + Doctrine and Covenants DOES NOT = Christian.
Irrelevant - doctrine. The are by definition Christian.
(C)Jehovah Witnesses
Jesus + Bible [They wrote their own version...The New World Trans lation...which denies every cardinal doctrine of historic Christianity] + "Scripture Studies" [six volumes] DOES NOT = Christian
Irrelevant - doctrine. The are by definition Christian.
Oh, and by the way - translations are not writing your own. Tell me - do you read from the original pages actually penned by Luke and all that? No? Then guess what - you are most certainly reading a translation. Or a copy.
D)Seventh Day Adventists
Jesus + Bible + "Spirit of Prophecy" [Ellen G. White] and her writings DOES NOT = Christian
Irrelevant - doctrine. The are by definition Christian.
Roman Catholicism is a "cult" based on other sources of "authority" other than the Scriptures...and in DIRECT opposition to them. They are not Christians because they believe not in the Jesus as portrayed in the Scriptures...albeit your protestations to the contrary.Bottom Line: All Catholics are not Christians...and no Christians are Catholic. Savvy?
ADDENDA: Sorry I left part of your post at the bottom of my previous post to you.
Marchello
Sound check... is this on? Good.
How one views Jesus depends on Biblical interpretation. It might be a shock to you... but very few people view things the same way! The Catholics don't have to view Jesus like you to be classified as Christian. All they have to do is think he is the Christ... and guess what? THEY DO! And you know what that means, as much as it might upset you... they are every bit as Christian as you.