Jesus Christ and the Resurrection (what does the evidence reveal?)

Originally posted by ushomefree
and the Middle East would be at peace today.

Not as long as we're occupying their lands. (Which is the bottom line with these guys, not religion.)

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
How is the delusion of the Islamic terrorists any different then the delusion of the early Christians martyrs?

Number one: Why do you assert that's its a delusion, instead of admitting that you don't know?

Number two: Ancient Christians didn't fly planes into buildings.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

A book should not be a prerequisite for the truth.

Why not though? It's a guide. After all: All cars come with an instruction manual.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Not as long as we're occupying their lands. (Which is the bottom line with these guys, not religion.)

Number one: Why do you assert that's its a delusion, instead of admitting that you don't know?

Number two: Ancient Christians didn't fly planes into buildings.

Why not though? It's a guide. After all: All cars come with an instruction manual.

The belief that you should give your life for a god, or in service to a god is a delusion.

Your point 2 shows me that you missed my point. Sacrificing your life to cause political change is the same tactic rather you are putting yourself in harms way by openly proclaiming your religion, when you know that will lead to your death, and flying airplanes into buildings, one in just more violent then the other. In the big picture, that really doesn’t matter. Both religions have or have had an element that will do the unthinkable to get their way.

A book can be an idle if you place it before the truth.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The belief that you should give your life for a god, or in service to a god is a delusion.

And you follow a guy who had a major epiphany while sitting under a tree. You might as well follow Isaac Newton.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

Your point 2 shows me that you missed my point. Sacrificing your life to cause political change is the same tactic rather you are putting yourself in harms way by openly proclaiming your religion, when you know that will lead to your death, and flying airplanes into buildings, one in just more violent then the other. In the big picture, that really doesn’t matter. Both religions have or have had an element that will do the unthinkable to get their way.

I got it perfectly.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison

A book can be an idle if you place it before the truth.

The book itself isn't an idol; it's a guide. Just like a car and it's instruction manual.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
And you follow a guy who had a major epiphany while sitting under a tree. You might as well follow Isaac Newton.

I got it perfectly.

The book itself isn't an idol; it's a guide. Just like a car and it's instruction manual.

I would follow Isaac Newton if I was better at math.

I listen to very smart people regardless of their religion.

To some people, the bible is an idol.

Originally posted by Mr Krieger
JesusIsAlive, you seem to think without God we have no Morals, I am more Moral than 90% of the Religous people I know, yet I have none, why do you keep insisting that?

Morals don't save you from your sins.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Morals don't save you from your sins.

So, are you admitting that morals are independent of a god?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, are you admitting that morals are independent of a god?

Good works (i.e good moral deeds or actions) do not save anyone from the wages of sin, which is death (which includes Hell), but they can indicate good character.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Good works (i.e good moral deeds or actions) [b]do not save anyone from the wages of sin, which is death (which includes Hell), but they can indicate good character. [/B]

But that does not answer my question. Are morals separate from your god?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But that does not answer my question. Are morals separate from your god?

Define morals.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Define morals.

Are you an uneducated person who cannot use a dictionary?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Are you an uneducated person who cannot use a dictionary?

I want to see if you had your own idea of what morals mean to you before I answer your question.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
I want to see if you had your own idea of what morals mean to you before I answer your question.

Did I give you a sufficient answer for you to draw a conclusion?

Let use stick with the definition from the dictionary.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Did I give you a sufficient answer for you to draw a conclusion?

Let use stick with the definition from the dictionary.

According to the Bible God is good. If morals mean good works then technically God is moral. But the Bible does not use the word moral to describe God.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
According to the Bible God is good. If morals mean good works then technically God is moral. But the Bible does not use the word moral to describe God.

That would be because the god of the OT was not a "good" or moral god.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would be because the god of the OT was not a "good" or moral god.

The God of the Old Testament and New Testament is the same God: immutable (i.e. unchanging). You must understand the behavior of God in the Old Testament is how God should be towards wicked sinners without the Savior. If God is truly holy then He must hate sin severely because it is diametrically opposed to Him and all that He is. Besides, sin separates us (God's creation) from Him, and God hates this. God does not want us to be separated from Him--ever. Moreover, if God were not good there would never even be a New Testament (which describes God's love to us through Jesus Christ). In addition, the Old Testament is replete with Scriptures that affirm God's goodness.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
The God of the Old Testament and New Testament is the same God: immutable (i.e. unchanging). You must understand the behavior of God in the Old Testament is how God [b]should be towards wicked sinners without the Savior. If God is truly holy then He must hate sin severely because it is diametrically opposed to Him and all that He is. Besides, sin separates us (God's creation) from Him, and God hates this. God does not want us to be separated from Him--ever. Moreover, if God were not good there would never even be a New Testament (which describes God's love to us through Jesus Christ). In addition, the Old Testament is replete with Scriptures that affirm God's goodness. [/B]

Hate is evil, therefore your god is evil when he hates.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Hate is evil, therefore your god is evil when he hates.

It is right to hate evil, but it is wrong to hate other people. Hate sin and you are highly likely not to commit it. However, love sin and you definitely will practice it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Hate is evil, therefore your god is evil when he hates.

Question: Shakyamunison, do you love animal cruelty? Better yet Shakyamunison do you love the terrible events that transpired on September 11th? Do you love what happened in what is called the Holocaust? Do you love what Africans went through during slavery in America? Do you love pedophilia, rape, and incest? What about murder? Do you love murder and war? How about terrorism and suicide bombings that kill innocent people? Do you hate these things, are you indifferent, or do you like or even love them?

What say you?

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Question: Shakyamunison, do you love animal cruelty? Better yet Shakyamunison do you love the terrible events that transpired on September 11th? Do you love what happened in what is called the Holocaust? Do you love what Africans went through during slavery in America? Do you love pedophilia, rape, and incest? What about murder? Do you love murder and war? How about terrorism and suicide bombings that kill innocent people? Do you hate these things, are you indifferent, or do you like or even love them?

What say you?

Hate is an evil path. Nothing good ever comes from hate.

However, I am a Bodhisattva of the Earth, and I fight against cruelty and injustice, but I would not use hate against those who do great evil. I will not do evil to combat evil. I would stop them and if that means that they die because of their actions, then that is their Karma. I will not go into battle with hate on my side. I would never kill everyone on the Earth with a flood, or with an army.