cracking the screenwriters

OMG^^ so true SO TRUE..also Shreck learned that he was never really happy on his own and with material things until he allowed love in his life..it made things better for him. He finally had purpose.

Jack deserves a reason to live..IMO its so obvious Jack comes alive when he has reason to fight for someone he loves. (lizzie)

funilly enough the last step in a hero's journey is "freedom to live"

In Jacks case..freedom to live how his heart wants him to with Elizabeth ..freedom to live for someone else 😄 (Tia knew this) Will outta the picture "we're not free yet love" *SQUEE*

same goes for Liz when it comes to Jack IMO (tia knew this)

Will and his fishy end? He is living with his father in heaven possibly..alongside Tia or whet ever lol (Tia knew)

yes exactly. schrek thought he was happy in the swamp (jack thought he was happy with the pearl) but after spending time with fiona, he came back to the swamp and found it was just a swamp after all... (just as jack found that the pearl is only a ship)

but it took a cranky donkey to make him see he had to go fight for her.

its interesting to note that fiona and lord f DO legally get married-- and then lord f is swallowed by a dragon.

its AFTER they have just gotten married that Fiona finally shows Schrek her ogre side... so perhaps after her marriage with Will, Liz will gain the courage to show Jack that she is a pirate, and Jack will in turn show her that being a pirate can be noble and beautiful too... and they can sail away together on the pearl, just as Schrek and Fiona went off to the swamp together!

LOL i mean come on..she could read charts and Jack was proud of her lol..its like his: my little "pirate" line and her showing the denial again after CLEARLY just wanting another taste.. 😄

It explains her.."dont call me love!" after he sugests he's loving her pirate side again..

and its so true what you say kate

freedom to live is to live how they always WANTED to live at the end of their journey 😄

am off to bed night night xxxx

I'm so happy we have so many clever people on this site who can see through th BS of what Disney "appear" to be doing..LOL lets just pray we are right.

omg thats so beautiful.. *squeeeeeeeee* im all hyper now.

omg thats so so sweet...ahh anybody got a hanker chief

LOL^^ night girls!!

my lil pirate bitches 😂

^^^ i dont know y, but that sounded increasingly strange

yay im a pirate ***** wohoo...is that good? lol

night!!!! 😄

uummm......i think i might b turning into Bwa! help!

i dunno im afraid im gonna get contaminated lol

i dont think so

LOL i mean come on..she could read charts and Jack was proud of her lol..its like his: my little "pirate" line and her showing the denial again after CLEARLY just wanting another taste.. big grin

It explains her.."dont call me love!" after he sugests he's loving her pirate side again..

Where does that happen?

Originally posted by savvysparrow
LOL i mean come on..she could read charts and Jack was proud of her lol..its like his: my little "pirate" line and her showing the denial again after CLEARLY just wanting another taste.. big grin

It explains her.."dont call me love!" after he sugests he's loving her pirate side again..

Where does that happen?

There are posts from other people that I desperately want to quote, but I can't figure out the quote button. Anyway, this post is in regards to the quotes posted by Ted and Terry.

The first is in reference to the post about Elizabeth's essential nature:

Mmmmm, yes and no. I think it's more along the lines of people were not seeing her essential nature, and there fore thinking that her change in DMC was out of character. However, from COTBP I think it's fairly obvious that she's more capable of maneuvering through the pirate world than Will and sometimes even Jack.

So what he's saying is that at her heart, she is a pirate, whether she chooses to accept it or not. It is her choice to ultimately become a pirate that he's referring to. There are some people in the audience, who, will want Elizabeth to settle down in Port Royale to marry Will, but that is not in her nature.

And while I'm at it, you mentioned briefly the quote about visceral logic versus story logic.

Yes, you can interpret what he's saying to mean that if the audience wants J/E to be together that they will accept that manner of ending. However, I've read too that the writers are fond of twisting the audience's emotions. So they will lead them in one direction and then pull the rug out from underneath them.

What I'm trying to say is that Ted and Terry are fiendish and KINGS of double talk---like Jack. Sometimes, you have to interpret what they say and apply to both sides. Unfortunately. 🙁

aaww!! i luv ur avvy, kiwibird!

thanks I luv it too I luv every jonny depp avvy lol

yeah somehow I feel like they havent quite finished with Liz's character-- in the sense that they have given us some basic information about her, and we've seen her do some things that lead us to certain conclusions about her, but her character is no where near as fleshed out as Jack or even Will. there is a lot of times where you can't predict her behavior... you dont know what she will do, or what she is thinking. this means they really have to complete her character in 3.

her nature seems very contradictory to me, and i think thats in part because Elizabeth is like the only girl in these films with any sort of character arc. So they have to fit her into several different roles. For one, the heroine, the love interest, and yet she is the protagonist-- at least with the first one, the story was told from her perspective... so she OUGHT to have the most character arc, the greatest development and growth as a person.

in my opinion, though, they did such a poor job of giving her character clear definition, that we cant tell whether she is developing and growing or just wandering aimlessly.

im refferring to her constant denial about Jack. after a point (aka their reunion in 3) it is no longer within her character to deny her feelings, treat Jack badly, and continue to run after Will if she really does have feelings for Jack.
Which is why many of these spoilers convince me she doesn't care for jack at all romantically.

which is absurd, because she should, and the kiss seemed to speak for itself, but it looks like the writers are trying to do damage control with the script, rather than play into and continue that beautiful risk they took.

Originally posted by ivebeendepped43
^^^ i dont know y, but that sounded increasingly strange

yes it did I just realised how weird that sounded

SavvySparrow I agree..in pirates one she's betrayed Jack before too lol..Its why he loves her

I cant imagine her returning to a life in port Royal...no way

She is trying to hide her pirate side she is ashamed of it..Jack made her love it and this is why she might be a bit iffy towards him..Jack makes her feel like nothing she has ever felt before..As soon as he came into her life, removed the corset and dress (freedom to breathe) she showed her true feisty pirate colors for the first time.

Kate I think she does..remember what Ted said about the compass?

It pointed to Jack because what she wants most is Jack

and its so strange to me that it only pointed to the means to SAVE Will instead of Will himself..she wants to save Will the most in this world..IMO she treats him like her son...or she is very much the MAN in the relationship where as when it comes to Jack...HE is the man so it points to the man..he's the only one who protects her when she needs it and IMO she hates that she's falling for him in this way..which might explain the look of hatred..its like she is hating him for doing this to her...she needs HIM as a man and she's not willing to accept it yet it seems.

and then there is her denial/fear when someone mensions that she's got feelings for Jack..heck even the ending suggested she was afraid of them..

Originally posted by savvysparrow
LOL i mean come on..she could read charts and Jack was proud of her lol..its like his: my little "pirate" line and her showing the denial again after CLEARLY just wanting another taste.. big grin

It explains her.."dont call me love!" after he sugests he's loving her pirate side again..

Where does that happen?

Its in that thread "choke on it"

IMO Elizabeth is seeing what she did as like a "dirty thing" where as Jack is going to love her for it no matter what..

He promises he wont ever tell about what she did

Oh and Kate..it should be in her character to still be treating Jack kinda bad and be in denial still and also wanting Will..and wanting Jack at the same time..IMOshe's still totally into him..she's only just crossed the first threshold..when Jack was there through out much of the time he was with her..he was treating her bad..he was still shifting between being selfish or caring for her