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Writers Ted Elliott and Terry Rossio at the Walt Disney Studios in Burbank, California
Photo Credit: Scott Holleran
Ted Elliott: In the very first meeting we had on Pirates 2 and possibly Pirates 3, we kind of pitched to Gore, [and producers] Jerry Bruckheimer, Mike Stenson and Chad Oman how the movie ends—I don't want to spoil it—with Jack, Will and Elizabeth. We said 'this is what we want and then in Pirates 3, this happens.' They were like, 'nyahh.' But we've learned an important lesson, which is that the right idea at the wrong time is a wrong idea. So, we stopped and said, 'alright,' and talked about what more we wanted to do with this movie. A couple of weeks later, Gore had come back to those [same] ideas and, now, they're there. There is a point where the writer has to be allowed to take responsibility for the work—or not take responsibility for the movie.

I actually find that the most interesting thing they have ever said.

Its obvious that DMC has the CLOSURE in terms of the love Triangle..and IMO it is in no way Will/Liz Jack/Material possessions

its Jack/Liz

Will/Father/flying dutchman

Originally posted by katelovespirate
with what we're wanting though, the story is going to have to TURN at some point... ya know?

Cause with what we know of 3 so far... Liz is still in denial, still trying to make things work with will, and Jack is still growing more and more the victim of unrequited love.

there would have to be a turning point... and i would hope the turning point wasnt the last 4 minutes... and the way its looking, how are they going to pull that off?

I think its a definite possibility, as far as will stabbing the heart, and then liz and jack being left alone together...

BUT we are going to HAVE to see her character change... we are going to HAVE to see her finally acknowledge to herself that she loves Jack, and make a choice to pursue it.

and that cant happen after will is gone or it won't make any sense. she has to recognize and react before the ending, or else we have no hope... ya know what i mean?

yes when Jack crossed the first threshold..he was still in denial over what he really wanted most..although he did take Liz on board..but stil there was that battle going on with what was most imporatant to him. He lied to her etc..used her..he obviously wanted her but still he ws mainly thinking of himself

honestly what ever the established special world is to each character THAT is where they are going to end up..it is where the story will end and its not Will IMO for each character their special world is what they cros into after meeting Tia.and Elizabeth decided to go and get Jack..he is the special world that she refused and now has accepted to step into

Jack only truly accepted LIz as an obligation in his life at the very end remember

Makes sense. Really, it's great.

I happy now, it seems all us Jack/Elizabeth fans are seeing the light at the end of the tunnel. We've craked the codes, I really think there's hope for our perfect ending.

they also called each of them hero's and they have established that this is a new story in itself..so each character is going through the 12 steps..obviously at different paces otherwise it probably would not work as an entire story..each has ended on a different step but the most important thing is for the movie to have some sort of closure.

Each character has met the supernatural helper of this story who in Harris's own words "can see into people's true hearts and true desires" and she seems to be leading them to their ultimate fate's

and we ALL know where Will ends up right?? She lead him to his ultimate fate

so why would she not to the same for Jack and Elizabeth?

She lead Jack to Elizabeth

and Elizabeth to Jack

each character has STEPPED over the first threshold..Liz being the last to do so and THIS is where the story truly begins for that character

I'm also wondering what would be the biggest twist they could shove in our faces when it comes to Jack at the end of the trilogy..and IMO it might be the first thing I said to my mum the second after I saw DMC with that Liz and Jack ending.

IMO it would be a hilarious ending and a real shocker to see.

what was that? what WOULD be the biggest twist for jack?

walking off the with whores

OR

getting liz

OR

being victim to unrequited love

?????

lol tee hee

come on Guess..age of pirates coming to a close..Jack must change to suit the new world or perish..

9 years in the future after the events of AWE?

little so and so runs up to a clean and shaven man who appears to be his father and Liz's "spouse"..aww thats nice she's found a nice man

turns around and **** ME IS THAT JACK?

What whores?

Originally posted by LovelyOne
lol tee hee

come on Guess..age of pirates coming to a close..Jack must change to suit the new world or perish..

9 years in the future after the events of AWE?

little so and so runs up to a clean and shaven man who appears to be his father and Liz's "spouse"..aww thats nice she's found a nice man

turns around and **** ME IS THAT JACK?

jack clean shaven? awe that would depress me. lol.

spouse is fine though.

leave out the so and so. i hate it when movies do that. lol. 😉

however, it would be very t and t to do that. gross. lol.

lol you gotta admit that would be like a WHOAH! moment 😂

Originally posted by katelovespirate
with what we're wanting though, the story is going to have to TURN at some point... ya know?

Cause with what we know of 3 so far... Liz is still in denial, still trying to make things work with will, and Jack is still growing more and more the victim of unrequited love.

there would have to be a turning point... and i would hope the turning point wasnt the last 4 minutes... and the way its looking, how are they going to pull that off?

I think its a definite possibility, as far as will stabbing the heart, and then liz and jack being left alone together...

BUT we are going to HAVE to see her character change... we are going to HAVE to see her finally acknowledge to herself that she loves Jack, and make a choice to pursue it.

and that cant happen after will is gone or it won't make any sense. she has to recognize and react before the ending, or else we have no hope... ya know what i mean?

I think she will acknowledge and accept she has feelings for Jack a little bit after the middle of the film. I believe is going to happen long before she marries Will. I believe she is going to marry Will to try to save him. I think she is going to know that Will will try to stab the heart. So she is going to accept his proposal.
Another thing that has me confused is that supposedly Wills stabs the heart to save his father, but I believe is because he has a powerful reason for doing it. Because at the end he would be dying for his father, not for Elizabeth. And It wouldn't make sense him saying in the 1st movie that he would die for her.

ok im tired of babling 😱

ur not babling! and yet everyone listens to u >_< lool

like i said in a rescent post *cough*which no one cared*cough*(oh well)
i think that movie 2 was a resolution of jack sparrows internal conflicts. the secon movie will be the resolution of will/liz internal feelings and where will that relatioship...which unfortunetly will face their doom..."till death do us apart" as i always say.

sommat to add..

How do you create a sense of closure for Dead Man's Chest even though you have more story to tell in the third film?

Rossio: The closure comes from a resolution of the thematic argument of the film. While there may be some plot issues still dangling, as long as the film makes a definitive statement in terms of the emotional story of some of the characters, there's a sense of it being complete. Ideally (knock on wood).

Elliott: What's really interesting is -- if there was no sequel after this, if there was no third movie, with the basic emotional moments and what happens at the end of this one -- I would be comfortable having it go out [like this]. We would have resolved the plot of Davy Jones differently, but, in terms of what happens with Jack and Will and Elizabeth and the conclusion of our movie, I feel comfortable that it would work whether you had a sequel coming up or not.

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so the closure is supposed to be there when it comes to Jack Will and ELizabeth
what I see is Jack deciding to make Elizabeth an obligation in his life and loving her all the more after doing what she did to him. He goes down fighting for her IMO...he's decided to take her on in life "hello beastie"

I see that Will has now shifted priorities. He is concentrated on his father he is determined to stab the heart..He has been introduced to his destiny which is the Dutchman

Elizabeth refused to embrace her pirate side..she refused jack because IMO she saw the temptation as too great and she wanted to save Will most in the world despite wanting Jack the most in the world..but her final decision after having Will with her and his intentions being somewhere else?

All she wants is Jack back...there is a VOID there that cant be filled by Will being with her safe and sound Its a repeating pattern in this movie I think..it happens 3 times..well its implied once more than the other 2

Once the whelp is gone?

maybe the pattern will stop repeating and she can just have the damn man she wants most in this world.

So if we had closure in DMC...we would be Happy...
because Jack and Liz kiss..
we know that Jack comes back to the Pearl because he has decided that LIZ and his crew is more important than the Pearl, "SHe's only a ship mate"...

she chains Jack to the mast because now she knows that the moment has come to prove that he is a good man and he SOOO Proved it, he does something courageous...

"this is the only way, don't you see" (possibly the underlying meaning is that she is doing away with the temptation "don't you see, I am engaged to Will, I can't have you both, so this is the only way, don't you see"...instead of the obvious "this is the only way we can escape cuz the Kracken wants you, not us"....he smiles cuz he understands what she really means...and that she "thinks" she is doing what she truly wants....that she is acting on that selfish impulse

Will witnesses the kiss and when he and Liz come face to face they seem kind of hostile with each other...I feel no closeness between Will and Liz....

At Tia's cabin, Liz seems really distraught....she doesn't toast to Jack - because she is so distraught over what she has done and how much she realizes that without him the world has no meaning....will can offer her no comfort....she wants Jack not Will....

So, in other words...it's clear that Jack and Liz have chosen each other, although W/E shippers would say it's obvious she chose Will...totally ignoring all the passion and mixed emotions that come across in that scene...the way they move in for a second kiss, yet retreat...so hot, passionate...like forbidden love...so intense....so heartbreaking...I want you, but I can't have you....it's bittersweet...a kiss between two people in love, yet each knowing it can never be....but hopefully, hope is restored...

I think it would be great in AWE if Will and Elizabeth both realize that Jack was actually protecting Will when he stopped him from stabbing the heart of Davy Jones on the beach..cuz Jack has known all along that the person who stabs the heart becomes the immortal Captain of the Flying Dutchman...once again proving that Jack's ulterior motives are actually heroic moments meant to save everyone else around him...

Originally posted by lovethemtigers
I think it would be great in AWE if Will and Elizabeth both realize that Jack was actually protecting Will when he stopped him from stabbing the heart of Davy Jones on the beach..cuz Jack has known all along that the person who stabs the heart becomes the immortal Captain of the Flying Dutchman...once again proving that Jack's ulterior motives are actually heroic moments meant to save everyone else around him...

I think there is something in the leaked script that suggest that Jack is telling Will about it, that whoever stabs the heart gets to be Capt of the flying Dutchmen. Its almost at the end. So yes it suggest that Jack tells him the story about the heart and the FD.

Most of Jack's actions have in one way or another been more to protect Will than to bring him harm. I think Jack feels this strange sort of obligation to him because he's Bootstrap Bill's son and Bootstrap died to honor their friendship. So, Jack's way of honoring his sacrifice is to watch over Will in his own way. That doesn't mean always protecting him from harm. He tries to the best of his ability to save Will, more than often, from Will's poor decisions. At times, he even allows Will to make those poor decisions, more to allow him to learn by failing in the pirate world. In that way, Will does learn from his mistakes.

I'm running on the assumption that most of you have read about Jack's past experience as an honest Merchant Sailor for the ETTC before I continue with what I say. Jack wasn't always a pirate, his unselfish moments show that he wasn't born to betray. It's a learned habit. In my opinion, there was a time when Jack was a little like Will. Young, idealistic, honest, noble etc, though much more clever.
His dealings with Beckett in his past, as well as a long stream of betrayals, Barbossa, (Tia Dalma is a possibility if she was his love interest in the past) have taught him that it's far easier to betray and deal in half truths before he can be betrayed.

So, even though sometimes Jack sets Will up to fail, Will does learn from that. Look at how much better he is at navigating the Pirate world. He was taken advantage of in the first movie by Barbossa, but successfully navigated around Davy Jones in a show of Jack-like cunning.

This isn't to say, however, that there isn't always something in it for Jack when he manipulates Will. I'm only saying that even at his blackest, Jack has purer intentions than what lies on the surface level.

The same can also apply to Jack's betraying Will and tricking him onto the ship of the Flying Dutchman. I honestly believe that his intention was to get Will out of the way to rescue Elizabeth, because Jack has the intelligence to do so. Will is too emotionally involved and subsequently rushes to 'rash' action.

^^^thats so true. jack is the type to kind of bring u into troubel, but wont leave u there at least he'll go back for u and clean his mistake. Hes the type to use u but ur not forgotten lol. Thats why ppl have problems trusting him especially Will. But u really have to know jack and trust him!! hes against mutiny, he wont abandon anyone and betray them. He desnt want to make his mates suffer the same way he did with barbossa and his crew.

IMO...something else happend to Jack to make him turn to a life where he doesnt have to care for anyone..or have to take responsibilty..a P burn was enough for him to decide to take no responsibility for anyone ever again?..I dont think so..he's trying to shut something out I think...I think its a main reson why he fears to let anyone close to him..fear of being hurt

Also I dont think he was going to save Lizzie..I dont know why but I just get the feeling..he hadn't met the mentor yet.

It was strange though how he stopped dead in his tracks and only THEN did he have the courage to try and escape..but it wasnt to go running to Elizabeth..it was to find thr chest quick..and then he would save her it seems..he still had himself at No1 here..he was still afraid to face up to Liz because he has all these feelings for her...he wants her but at the same time he doesnt...at the moment anyway..its only until he crosses the first threshold (after meeting the supernatiral aid) does he willingly take her on board in life.

talking about jack feelings....do you think he will feel sorry for will once he dies, or admires him in a way..?

well Will kinda turns against Jack for much of movie 3 e goes onto the side of the EITC and Davy Jones..and sends enemies after Jack etc..so IMO Jack might be slightly pissed off with him...I think those two are going to drift even further appart.