Originally posted by Boris
A book wrote a few thousand years ago told me so, it's gotta be correct, right?Oh wait....
"Chimpanzees have no clue that humans must face them in order to see. It is obvious from these experiments that chimpanzees lack even a simple understanding of how their world works, but merely react to conditioning from directly observable events. "Humans constantly invoke unobservable phenomena and variables to explain why certain things are happening. Chimps operate in the world of concrete, tangible things that can be seen. The content of their minds is about the observable world.“
--Povinelli, D.J. 1998. Animal Self-Awareness: A Debate Can Animals Empathize? Scientific American.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
Explain why you believe that humans are animals.
Because we are composed of the same materials as other living organisms of course lolzazz.
Edit: Also your quoted source is a bit old isn't it? Last I recall they did experiments on Bonobos and Chimpanzees with mirrors, and the apes recognized that it was them in the mirror.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
"Chimpanzees have no clue that humans must face them in order to see. It is obvious from these experiments that [b]chimpanzees lack even a simple understanding of how their world works, but merely react to conditioning from directly observable events. "Humans constantly invoke unobservable phenomena and variables to explain why certain things are happening. Chimps operate in the world of concrete, tangible things that can be seen. The content of their minds is about the observable world.“--Povinelli, D.J. 1998. Animal Self-Awareness: A Debate Can Animals Empathize? Scientific American.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/consciousness-animal/
Also, Povinelli's experiement was part of a two part publication in Scientific American. As shokcing as this may be to wou, but Povinelli's experiment is rather flawed. Notice how even the title of the article, if PROPERLY cited reads...Animal Self-Awareness: A Debate - Can Animals Empathize?
That alone shows that this decade old research is merely one perspective on an issue that was not at the time, resolved. I know you love to cut and paste crap, but you've proved nothing.
Gordon Gallup Jr.'s experiement is much more convincing and shows that animals DO have the ability to empathize, which is the actual issue here, which is only one ability beyond instinct.
Originally posted by AngryManatee
Because we are composed of the same materials as other living organisms of course lolzazz.Edit: Also your quoted source is a bit old isn't it? Last I recall they did experiments on Bonobos and Chimpanzees with mirrors, and the apes recognized that it was them in the mirror.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i4/differences.asp
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AngryManatee, read the article for this link.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i4/differences.asp😆
AngryManatee, read the article for this link.
"Upholding the Authority of the Bible form the very first Verse."
Soooo credible 🙄
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v17/i4/differences.asp😆
AngryManatee, read the article for this link.
hell no, I can tell by the site name that it's biased lolz. I'll listen to what I learned in Biology instead.
Cell theory. Now there's a kicker
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Originally posted by JesusIsAliveExplain?
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveAs we look about us, we see that man is a religious creature by nature.
This premise is false.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThis brings us to one of two conclusions:
[list=1][*]It is practical and sensible to believe there has to be an eternal being superior to ourselves.
[*]The larger part of society is completely irrational.[/list]
[list=1][*]This argument commits the logic fallacy of False Dilemma.
[*]This argument is not sound.[/list]
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveTo Be An Atheist, One Must Believe... THAT MATTER IS EITHER ETERNAL OR IT CREATED ITSELF.
[list=1][*]This argument commits the logic fallacy of False Dilemma.
[*]This conclusion is false.[/list]
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveTo hold to the ideas of atheism, which is for the most part partial to the theory of evolution, one must believe that matter is either eternal or it created itself.
[list=1][*]This argument commits the logic fallacy of False Dilemma.
[*]This conclusion is false.[/list]
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive. . . Yet, if we look at the evidence, we understand that the universe had a beginning. Scientists themselves attempt to assign an age to our planet, and the universe as a whole. Those things which are eternal have no age. The reason they attempt to assign an age to the world in which we live is because it bears the characteristics of age. Such things, which are eternal, are not governed by time. We are told in Scripture that with the Lord a "...day is as a thousand years, a thousand years as a day." Yet, the universe is subject to time. The universe is running down. It is wearing out. Things on earth are corrupt, and worsening year after year. It is approaching an inevitable end. It cannot be eternal. The only other option for those who deny the presence of a Supreme God is that the universe created itself. That is possibly the most absurd thing, which could ever be considered. Matter does not have the ability to create itself. A desk cannot bring itself into existence. What man has ever created him! If matter were able to create itself, consider the chaos which would occur! One would possibly be driving along a road, and a tree would appear from nowhere! Yet such things do not occur!
This argument commits the logic fallacy of Straw Man.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveTo Be An Atheist, One Must Believe... THAT LIFE IS SPONTANEOUSLY GENERATED.
This conclusion is false.
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive. . . In other words, life can come from that which has none. We understand God to be the Creator of all things, and that He is the source of life. Yet, if we remove God from the picture, we remove the breath of life which He gives. Thus, somewhere along the line, according to the Atheist's belief system, life spontaneously came into being. It never existed before. It has absolutely no source. It just started itself somehow at some time.
This argument commits the logic fallacy of Straw Man.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveTo Be An Atheist, One Must Believe... THAT ORDER AND DESIGN ARE RESULTS OF NON- INTELLIGENT ACCIDENTS.
This conclusion is false.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveAs we look about us at the wonders of creation, we can understand that God is the Master Designer. He purposefully created the world with order. Trees need carbon dioxide, mammals need oxygen. The two complement one another with the exchange of these gases. Our planet is exactly the correct distance from the sun. Any closer, we would burn up. Any further away, we would freeze. Approximately 2/3 of the earth is covered with water. This keeps the core temperature at an acceptable level. The gravitational forces on earth are such that we can walk freely about, without fear of being driven into the ground, nor lifted into space. The human body is a wondrous design. It is designed to repair itself in many instances. It has several functions, which automatically are cared for without the need for us even thinking about them. As was written, we are "...fearfully and wonderfully made." The Atheist though must affirm that all these wonders, and many, many more are merely the result of an accidental happening. They, claim that no intelligence was involved in the forming of our world. It was simply the process of a " big bang." If such is possible, that something as wonderful as the universe can result from an unintelligent "bang,"' then something which is infinitely simpler should also be able to come together with a logical order and design without intelligence. For instance, what if we should disassemble a watch, place all the parts into a box, close the box, and begin shaking. How long before the watch will be fully assembled again? Shake as much and as hard as you can, you will never result in a watch. Though all the needed parts are present, a watchmaker is also needed. A source of intelligent construction. How much more does the universe need an intelligent Maker?
This is a tautology.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveTo Be An Atheist, On Must Believe... THAT NON- CONSCIOUSNESS EVOLVES TO CONSCIOUSNESS.
This conclusion is false.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThe theory of evolution affirms that we are the descendants of a one-cell organism. This one- cell organism has no consciousness. It does not know that it exists. We, who are conscious of ourselves, and of the happenings surrounding us, according to the assertions of the atheist have evolved from this creature. How is it we became conscious beings? Can consciousness come from unconsciousness? If it can, does that mean that someday my desk will be aware of itself? I should hope not; it may decide then to walk away, since it would be its own being.
This argument commits the logic fallacy of Straw Man.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveTo Be An Atheist, One Must Believe... THAT NON-MORALITY EVOLVES TO MORALITY.
This conclusion is false.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveAtheists have a hard time explaining morality. If we evolved from creatures that operate on instinct, not conscience, how is it that we have developed the ability to use conscience? Where did morality find its beginning? Did one ape finally decide that killing another ape was wrong? Did one decide that it was wrong to steal another ape's supper? No such things have occurred! Morality finds it origin in the existence of God. He has given a law, which therein establishes morality. However, the Atheist cannot explain where morality came from. Further, the Atheist can not give a reason for doing good. There is no reason, if we will not be judged. Why should we yield our own desires in order to serve others? The answer, we shall be judged!
This argument commits the logic fallacy of Straw Man.
Originally posted by JesusIsAliveThere is so much wrong with this statement, I have never and many others that are Atheist have a hard time with. Also the term “morality” is such a broad term and which “morality” do you use, the Christian version?
To Be An Atheist, One Must Believe... THAT NON-MORALITY EVOLVES TO MORALITY.Atheists have a hard time explaining morality. If we evolved from creatures that operate on instinct, not conscience, how is it that we have developed the ability to use conscience? Where did morality find its beginning? Did one ape finally decide that killing another ape was wrong? Did one decide that it was wrong to steal another ape's supper? No such things have occurred! Morality finds it origin in the existence of God. He has given a law, which therein establishes morality. However, the Atheist cannot explain where morality came from. Further, the Atheist can not give a reason for doing good. There is no reason, if we will not be judged. Why should we yield our own desires in order to serve others? The answer, we shall be judged!