Congress Grants Unconditional Power to Bush

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
All this "granting unconditional power" talk is making me think of Jar Jar Binks...

Did you read the link?

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
Did you read the link?

you know that the onion is satire, right?

Originally posted by docb77
Lost the moral high ground? Have you noticed how the enemy treats their prisoners? I think we're pretty safe about having the moral high ground.

Same methods the Japanese were charged with? Last time I checked they were accused of stuff quite a bit worse than cold rooms and bad music.

Definitions of torture

When we do it - Sleep deprivation, mild hypothermia

When they do it - beatings, kanings, fire ants, near drownings, witnessing companions executions.

Yeah, those are totally the same. 😘

That's the whole point, some people (wackjob liberals) see making a guy stand naked in a cold room while listening to Barry Manilow as being on the same level as beating a guy almost to death. Go figure.

Originally posted by Robtard
That's the whole point, some people (wackjob liberals) see making a guy stand naked in a cold room while listening to Barry Manilow as being on the same level as beating a guy almost to death. Go figure.

Who cares if it is on the same level, it is both against the humanistic ideals the US pretends to stand for.

Originally posted by PVS
you know that the onion is satire, right?

I was going to post something very sarcastic and mean spirited, but I decided against it.

I'll go with a simple 'yes' instead.

Originally posted by PVS
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thats great. so when they retaliate by televising medival remenicant tourture, we should up the ante too. then when they start killing babies, we'll do the same. its ok when we do it, cuz we're AMURICAN!!!!!!!!!!!

That begs the question, do you think we 'torture' people to make a statement as they do or do you think we 'torture' people to gain information that could save lives?

Originally posted by Robtard
That's the whole point, some people (wackjob liberals) see making a guy stand naked in a cold room while listening to Barry Manilow as being on the same level as beating a guy almost to death. Go figure.

is that all the opposition has to offer is strawman tactics?
form a valid opinion, and then come back to us.

Originally posted by Mr. Sandman
I was going to post something very sarcastic and mean spirited, but I decided against it.

I'll go with a simple 'yes' instead.

you're no fun

It's not exactly unexpected that something like this would be passed. Since he came into office, legislation has tended to be signed with additional documents that basically allow the Executive to ignore or be exempt from the legislation.

There's a reason evidence given under duress isn't legally admissible.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Who cares if it is on the same level, it is both against the humanistic ideals the US pretends to stand for.

Well mainly because beating someone to near death and then beheading them is FAR different than bright lights, bad music and being kept up for 72 hours. They are two totally different animals.

Originally posted by PVS
is that all the opposition has to offer is strawman tactics?
form a valid opinion, and then come back to us.

How is that a strawman? You're the one comparing apples to oranges.

Originally posted by Robtard
That begs the question, do you think we 'torture' people to make a statement as they do or do you think we 'torture' people to gain information that could save lives?

well, the other question begged is "does it matter" since so many people feel content being "tough" on terror SUSPECTS. so really it seems to me (given the opinions i come across) that its a form of punishment as much as extracting unreliable information.

and furthermore with the passing of this bill, if i was in the military i would demand to have a cyanide capsule on my person at all times for fear of retribution of what our government is planning to do.

people love to be deliberate and dress it all down, as if it will not be brutal enough to think of aushwitz, but...they are frikin idiots who are the fuel for dictators and should die....consciously lying and decieving to protect the idea that their leader is perfect in every way, and that no matter what horrible evil we commit, its all justified. the proof is in the quotes here, and opinions reflected in the media.

Originally posted by Robtard
Well mainly because beating someone to near death and then beheading them is FAR different than bright lights, bad music and being kept up for 72 hours. They are two totally different animals.

Who cares if it is on the same level, it is both against the humanistic ideals the US pretends to stand for.

Originally posted by PVS
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thats great. so when they retaliate by televising medival remenicant tourture, we should up the ante too. then when they start killing babies, we'll do the same. its ok when we do it, cuz we're AMURICAN!!!!!!!!!!!

If a squad of soldiers somewhere in Middle-of-Nowhere, Iraq have a prisoner and they tortue him on the regular, I don't blame those kids in the least. They're in a living Hell, their buddies are dying all the time, they don't if they'll be alive tommorow, and they KNOW that those ****ers are doing the same to US prisoners. I don't blame the troops in the least.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
If a squad of soldiers somewhere in Middle-of-Nowhere, Iraq have a prisoner and they tortue him on the regular, I don't blame those kids in the least. They're in a living Hell, their buddies are dying all the time, they don't if they'll be alive tommorow, and they KNOW that those ****ers are doing the same to US prisoners. I don't blame the troops in the least.

then you are just as amoral as those who torture our troops and thus no better. what makes you better? "they started it?" please, say that so it will be clear for all to see....say it.

I like Japanese vivisection better, personally.

Originally posted by PVS
is that all the opposition has to offer is strawman tactics?
form a valid opinion, and then come back to us.

So all you really want is an opinion? OK, here's one, and it's just as valid as yours:

Those terrorist scum ceased to be human a long time ago and therefore don't deserve "human rights".

Our soldiers on the other hand (the ones who get beheaded on video if they get captured), should be treated according to the geneva conventions.

Like the terrorists are going to change the way they treat our guys if we change the way we treat theirs, give me a break.

Originally posted by docb77
Those terrorist scum ceased to be human a long time ago and therefore don't deserve "human rights".

Our soldiers on the other hand (the ones who get beheaded on video if they get captured), should be treated according to the geneva conventions.

Holy McHell.

The moral highground is saved for those that don't go to war. Torture is just icing on the cake really.

Allowing anything to go with torture is assinine in my opinion however gathering information as robtard has said seems actually reasonable, lol.

Originally posted by docb77
So all you really want is an opinion?